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PAC spends $2.8M in advertising, mainly against Cayetano

Much of the pro-rail Pacific Resources Partnership's money goes to TV and radio

By Gordon Y.K. Pang

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LAST UPDATED: 11:57 a.m. HST, Oct 31, 2012


The tab for the advertising campaign by the Pacific Resource Partnership Political Action Committee this election season has topped $2.8 million, with nearly all of it going to the pro-rail group's effort to defeat mayoral candidate Ben Caye­tano.

The PAC spent just less than $1.2 million from Aug. 12, the day after the primary election, until Oct. 22, according to PRP's filing with the state Campaign Spending Commission on Tuesday.

That amount does not include $445,654.19 in unpaid expenditures reported by the PAC. PRP spent $1.2 million through the primary election.

A 2010 U.S. Supreme Court decision allowed corporations, labor unions and other "non-candidate" organizations to spend an unlimited amount of money to support or oppose a political candidate, so long as there is no communication or coordination between the PAC and the candidate. Experts attribute the decision for the explosion in ads in several key campaigns.

Honolulu's mayoral race is considered a key battleground because the city's $5.26 billion rail project may be hanging in the balance. Caye­tano has vowed to stop the project if elected, while rival Kirk Caldwell has promised to keep it going. Most of the state's labor unions back rail.

Pacific Resource Partnership is a trade name for the Hawaii Carpenters Market Recovery Program Fund, a partnership of the Hawaii Carpenters Union and the trade contractors that use unionized workers. Funding comes from the contractors who contribute based on the number of hours worked by unionized employees.

A large portion of the expenditures were payments made to television and radio stations for advertising. But PRP also spent six figures on "surveys, polls and voter lists" — paid out to mainland research firms — as well as for "field outreach payroll, benefits and taxes" through Hono­lulu-based staffing companies in addition to other "employee services."

Most of the expenditures are specifically tied to the mayor's race, although some, more recent expenditures dealt with "Big Island races."

PRP officials declined to comment on the report.

Cayetano last week sued PRP for defamation, alleging its advertisements against him are distorted and false.

The lawsuit focuses on ads that allege Caye­tano kept campaign contributions for personal gain, accepted contributions from contractors for contracts and accepted illegal contributions. Other ads have expressed support for Caldwell.

Some other PACs that have been active in the mayoral race:

» Workers for a Better Hawaii spent about $700,000 in ads backing Caldwell and opposing Caye­tano. The PAC gets all its funding from the Hawaii Regional Council of Carpenters.

» SaveOurHonolulu.com spent about $155,000 in ads supporting Caye­tano and opposing Caldwell. Hono­lulu businessman Robert Iwa­moto donated $100,000 to the PAC.

» Defend Truth, started by retiree Milton Hiro­hata, has run about $81,000 in ads supporting Caye­tano and opposing Caldwell. Its largest contributor has been Windward businessman Joe Pickard, who donated $40,000.






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
Another wooden stake into the HART of the Titanic rail fiasco from no where to no where and much more than a blight!
on October 31,2012 | 01:38AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
“Slander cannot destroy an honest man - when the flood recedes the rock is there” ~Chinese Proverb~
on October 31,2012 | 01:44AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
In Ben We Trust!
on October 31,2012 | 01:46AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I voted for Ben!
on October 31,2012 | 01:59AM
false wrote:
UNIONS say no, so sorry.
on October 31,2012 | 06:24AM
OldDiver wrote:
All of this money in politics is brought to you courtesy of the Republican controlled Supreme Court.
on October 31,2012 | 06:27AM
OldDiver wrote:
SaveourHonolulu and Defend Truth while spending less money than PRP have been putting false, misleading and slanderous lies about Kirk Caldwell. A change in the make up in the U S Supreme Court is necessary to reduce the power of money in our elections.
on October 31,2012 | 06:32AM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Never the less. Where's the integrity the Dems always claim they have. Hypocrites.
on October 31,2012 | 06:44AM
wiliki wrote:
There's no comparison. Democrats complain rightfully of Ben's unethical actions, while Republicans tell outright lies about Caldwell. And Ben's liable for the lies because his campaign managers are running his PACs.
on October 31,2012 | 07:52AM
saveparadise wrote:
Caldwell is nothing but a mutt owned by PRP. Here Caldwell! Sit Caldwell, heel boy! Lick my feet since I got you elected. Approve all our bids and demands or you sleep outside. Listen up Hawaii, we don't need a bought and paid for Mayor that does tricks for treats. The evil entities are here to reap our taxes and profit big time off our land. Do not give in to the PRP brainwashing propaganda that will forever haunt us.
on October 31,2012 | 09:54AM
Imagen wrote:
Mindless fools. And when your union management tells you members to go and jump off the bridge - you'd just go; again mindlessly... Like moths to a flame.
on October 31,2012 | 10:14AM
wondermn1 wrote:
We the people will be voting for Ben Cayetano, the witch hunt by PRP and the Caldwell Campaign agains Ben and Tom Berg is total BS . Most intellifgent people can see thru the smoke and whistles Go Ben Go & Go Tom Berg Go
on October 31,2012 | 11:33AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
In Ben We Rust!
on October 31,2012 | 04:27PM
autumnrose wrote:
Saturation propaganda works on LOW-INFORMATION VOTERS, as they are known in the voter manipulation trade.... Effective SATURATION: REPETITIVE, CONSISTENT, EVERYWHERE, TV, radio, print… "TRUTH and accurate DATA have nothing to do with its effectiveness. There is a psychological effect of being exposed to the same message over and over, regardless of whether it's true or if it even makes sense. If something is said enough times, by enough people, many others will come to accept it as truth."
on October 31,2012 | 02:10AM
Kawipoo wrote:
Unfortunately low information voter is another name for Hawaii voter.
on October 31,2012 | 04:19AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Yes there are too many who, after the election, will say "I nevah know dat."
on October 31,2012 | 04:53AM
wiliki wrote:
Thanx to PRP now they know that and will vote accordingly. It's the cost of freedom. This is what it costs to bring our the truth.
on October 31,2012 | 07:54AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Just like the RAIL & HART which were started by lies, PRP is a RAIL pawn. Remember when the RAIL was for traffic relief? or when it was a JOBS program? or when it was supposed to be 3 million and reach U of H and Waikiki and Salt Lake ? or mayber when HART was supposed to be a voluntary group? Now the Jobs are in the mainland and Europe and the HART BILL is 22 Million do you remember ??? Yes we remember !!
on October 31,2012 | 11:40AM
wiliki wrote:
No lies about rail...
on October 31,2012 | 10:26PM
walaau808 wrote:
Just like those who think they know...but they really don't
on October 31,2012 | 09:41AM
oxtail01 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on October 31,2012 | 10:17AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
oxtail01 wrote: "It is true for "white" trailer trash voters...."

Please try to leave your racism and prejudices out of this.
on October 31,2012 | 02:38PM
Jonas wrote:
I don't think that problem is specific to Hawaii voters. It happens all over the country.
on October 31,2012 | 09:50AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
White is right! Heil Hitler!
on November 1,2012 | 12:29AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
It's like Linda Lingle trying to mislead the voters by pretending she is not a REPUBLICAN. She knows that, being a radical, rightwing Republican, Hawai`i Democrats will not want to send her to Washington where her votes will hurt Hawai`i. She wants to replace Inouye in the key roles where he can and does help Hawai`i. She only cares about Linda Lingle. Don't believe her ads or speeches. She IS A REPUBLICAN.
on October 31,2012 | 05:02AM
Kalli wrote:
Keith, Inouye is on his last legs, he's not going to last forever. Do you really want a dimwit like Mazie to replace him? Why is being a REPUBLICAN a sin?
on October 31,2012 | 05:16AM
Giligan wrote:
How about a Libertarian?
on October 31,2012 | 06:06AM
soundofreason wrote:
My kid is claiming himself a libertarian. I'm good with that. Just as long as he's not a sheep.
on October 31,2012 | 07:47AM
wiliki wrote:
Why does Lingle's recent ads give the voter the impression that Inouye is endorsing her? Inouye himself has denied that....
on October 31,2012 | 07:55AM
Jonas wrote:
Go Ron Paul!
on October 31,2012 | 09:51AM
walaau808 wrote:
Because a republican has business in mind, not the people.
on October 31,2012 | 09:42AM
Jonas wrote:
Nothing wrong at all with being a Republican. But they have their agenda, as do Democrats. I guess it all depends on whose agenda lines up with your own. In general, Repubs favor the wealthy, favor war, and do NOT support women's rights (equal pay, abortion.)
on October 31,2012 | 09:54AM
Imagen wrote:
White Anglo Saxon Male Mentality. Enough said.
on October 31,2012 | 10:20AM
Kuniarr wrote:
When will Democrats start to think and believe that the US is not a communist country. Communism did not work. When will Democrats start to think that the economic system of the U.S is not Socialism nor Communism but Capitalsm? That individual entrepreneurship, innovation, and invention is what made this nation the greatest. When will Democrats learn that the economic principle of Supply and Demand does not work anymore today like it die in the 1930s because most consumer products are now Made In China or other countries?
on October 31,2012 | 01:18PM
Imagen wrote:
IMHO; It's not about Democrat of Republican, per se'. A blogger so eloquently put it yesterday; it's about dumb versus liar...he's voting for the dumb one. AND, to answer your question; No one can replace Uncle Dan; definitely NOT Mazie. BUT, then again, THAT is all we have; "that" or the liar...
on October 31,2012 | 10:19AM
kiragirl wrote:
The culprit is Kirk. PRP is doing what it feels is best for their workers. Kirk should have denounced these smear tactics from the beginning. But no, he claims he cannot confer with PRP. HE is no class and no shame. What a sad day for Honolulu to have a mayor like him.
on October 31,2012 | 05:54AM
OldDiver wrote:
Is Ben Cayetano denouncing saveourHonolulu and Defend Truth for spreading slanderous lies about Kirk Caldwell?
on October 31,2012 | 06:34AM
kiragirl wrote:
Name ONE thing that is a lie. One!
on October 31,2012 | 07:02AM
soundofreason wrote:
1. OldDiver's statement
on October 31,2012 | 07:48AM
wiliki wrote:
BRT will work....
on October 31,2012 | 07:56AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
'I am not a crook."
on October 31,2012 | 09:01AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Down dickie boy down....
on October 31,2012 | 09:54AM
wondermn1 wrote:
lets see, Name one thing that is a Lie? HART, RAIL, wiliki, OldDribble, BlueBreaker, Keith_,UKUleleBoo, MUFEE, TULSI, GARCIA, MARTIN, HARIMOTO, YOSHIOKA, CARLIER,CALDWELL, MAZIE,HANABUSA, GRABASKAS etc, etc, etc Man this list goes on & on in Honlulu.
on October 31,2012 | 11:47AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Hee are some rail lie:
1) Rail relieves traffic
2) Rail will cost $5.16 billion
3) Rail is fully funded
4) It will take only 42 minutes of commute from Kapolei to Alamoana
5) Contracts were awarded years before actual start date to save money
6) Rail will improve the economy of Oahu
7) Rail will provide thousands of jobs
8) Wiliki, OldDiver, NanakuliBoss, BluesBreaker, UkuleleBlue, etc. are not paid rail bloggers
9) The guys named in 8) above are Oahu residents.
on October 31,2012 | 10:48PM
allie wrote:
Behind the snake's smile lies the reality that Kirk is a puppet of the power establishment out here
on October 31,2012 | 08:07AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Dont worry his day of reckoning is coming!
on October 31,2012 | 08:50AM
walaau808 wrote:
Then Ben should also denounce smear tactics by the PACs that support him. All is fair in war and politics...
on October 31,2012 | 09:43AM
DPK wrote:
walaau: Wrong. There are rules in war.
on October 31,2012 | 11:06AM
allie wrote:
yup
on October 31,2012 | 08:06AM
Grimbold wrote:
Will we allow special interests Political Action Committees to BUY the election? If they can it will show the dumb voters are in the majority
on October 31,2012 | 06:06AM
wiliki wrote:
Hey the Republican Supreme Court said that PACs are people and people have the right in any election, to voice their opinions. It's called freedom of speech. Caldwell has NO control on what OTHER people will say or think. His campaign has nothing to do with the PACs.
on October 31,2012 | 07:59AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
are you kidding... if kirk wins, he'll owe PRP big time. Its just another form of pay to play.
on October 31,2012 | 11:14PM
walaau808 wrote:
Does that go for PACs that support Ben too?
on October 31,2012 | 09:44AM
Jonas wrote:
Uninformed is a better word.
on October 31,2012 | 09:55AM
walaau808 wrote:
Too bad Ben isn't honest...
on October 31,2012 | 09:40AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
There are no honest politicians, they all do the "pay to play" scheme to some extent and most will say or do anything to get elected. For me, more often it's a matter of choosing the "lesser of 2 evils" when I vote. The recent Supreme court decision will guarantee that big money will continue be able to influence an election if the stakes are high enough... as they are now with 5-10 billion hanging on the election. Personally, I think too much money and effort has be spent to stop rail now. Hawaii would be out at least 2 billion after canecelling contracts with nothing to show for it if rail were stopped now. Add to that the costs of Cayetano's fast plan and you're at the same figure rail is supposed to cost in the end. I think it'll cost more though, government project in Hawaii always do, just reference the H-3 construction costs. Rail is not a bad idea, I just wish HART wasn't loaded with crooks out to act in their own best interests and rip off the taxpayer.
on November 1,2012 | 12:44AM
autumnrose wrote:
Why is it worth it to PRP aka HI Carpenters Union Market Recovery Fund to spend $3 million dollars to get Caldwell elected? John D. White Jr has said: They need the biggest public works project -- daRAIL -- that justifies TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, meaning BILLIONS of DOLLARS of CONSTRUCTION for DECADES to come, turning Honolulu into a San Francisco or Washington DC or Hong Kong...
on October 31,2012 | 02:05AM
autumnrose wrote:
and did you receive a positive message in the MAIL supporting Caldwell that came from FRIENDS FOR JOBS AND GREENER COMMUNITIES IN HAWAII ? It has a Honolulu post office box address, but on the Campaign Spending Commission report, their funding comes from LOS ANGELES, their chairperson is in MINNESOTA, their BANK and their treasurer are in LA... what's up with that? They spent $32,000 on their mailings, that's all. FYI, you can look them up..... https://nc.csc.hawaii.gov/NCFSPublic/ORG_Report.php?OR_ID=20376
on October 31,2012 | 02:26AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
They only care about money. Sad, but they will destroy Honolulu for some bucks. In the process, they are trying to destroy a good man who came to the rescue of the people. Caldwell and White should be ashamed of themselves. I guess it's a Mainland thing.
on October 31,2012 | 04:55AM
allie wrote:
yup
on October 31,2012 | 08:07AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Follow the Money trail and it will lead to PRP and the slandering they have done to Tom Berg and Ben Cayetano. The way to win is to vote for Ben Cayetano and prove that the people know the truth.
on October 31,2012 | 11:51AM
walaau808 wrote:
A "good man"? You crack me up. He sucked as governor, will suck as mayor. That's the truth!
on October 31,2012 | 09:46AM
Giligan wrote:
The Rail is the Mother of all Pay for Play.
on October 31,2012 | 06:04AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Say hi to the Captain for me.
on October 31,2012 | 09:11AM
oxtail01 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on October 31,2012 | 10:21AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Didn't I meat you at Kapiolani Coffee Shop?
on October 31,2012 | 10:29AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The PRP SuperPAC continues to pour millions into the ads attacking Ben Cayetano, but refuses to disclose the identity of their supporters. Who is putting up the millions of dollars in this huge Caldwell/White "Pay for Play" scam? Let's hope David Shapiro is right that the suits will disclose those shady characters. We don't need that Mainland style politics in Hawai`i nei. Kirk Caldwell should be ashamed of himself. Vote Ben Cayetano to bring some sanity and integrity back to Honolulu Hale. Enough of the deception.
on October 31,2012 | 04:52AM
wiliki wrote:
There's no deception in telling the truth.
on October 31,2012 | 08:01AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Ben's lawsuit is a campaign stunt and will never gp tp court. The only thing Ben would bring to Honolulu Hale is the nineties.
on October 31,2012 | 09:13AM
oxtail01 wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on October 31,2012 | 10:22AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Cows behind speaks with forked diners as they slurp down the soup before the main course.
on October 31,2012 | 10:31AM
wiliki wrote:
Ben's suit will go nowhere.
on October 31,2012 | 10:21PM
wondermn1 wrote:
Or maybe because the baldface lies about Tom Berg and Ben Cayetano from PRP are slander in every sense of the word. DUH
on October 31,2012 | 11:54AM
boshio wrote:
Same as Abercrombie.
on October 31,2012 | 12:37PM
AKULEMAN wrote:
More like the 70's platform shoes.
on October 31,2012 | 02:23PM
pyon wrote:
So true....the PAC is more about anti-Ben than anti-rail. Thanks for your posts Keith.
on November 1,2012 | 12:15AM
kainalu wrote:
Another peppered steak through the heart of a fat ... uh ... nevermind.
on October 31,2012 | 07:11AM
allie wrote:
As I have said, anyone who dares to go up against the power establishment out here will pay a terrible price. Ben has paid that price. Had he won the election, it would have thrown the power structure into chaos and disrepute. The power boys want you to be afraid as it is easier to control you.
on October 31,2012 | 08:06AM
wondermn1 wrote:
Go Ben Go and Go Tom Berg Go, we need people in our court, fighting to stop the corruption that is happening in our wonderful city.Go Ben Go
on October 31,2012 | 11:56AM
Anonymous wrote:
You don't have to be in bergs district to contribute a $100 bucks to his cause.
on October 31,2012 | 04:05PM
cabot17 wrote:
Big Business and Big Labor are both in favor of Rail and are working together to make sure it gets built. Cayetano was foolish to think he could beat that powerful coalition.
on October 31,2012 | 08:26AM
islandsun wrote:
Especially without the Filipino vote in his favor.
on October 31,2012 | 12:20PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
H1 westbound accident. Commuters expect to be in traffic 2 plus hours. Call your neighbors west Oahu people. This is all too common. Nothing will be done for the people west of Middle Street. FAST is pushing more buses, and street expansions in Honolulu. It has NO plans for West/Central Oahu. West Oahu got 100% of Oahus trash and trucks yet we suffer when a trash truck crashes. Trash trucks have killed and caused many accidents. We will take the Rail, since the East and Windward side don't want it, and will trade a landfill with you guys. Sounds fair.
on October 31,2012 | 06:43PM
Kuniarr wrote:
F.A.S.T actually prevents stop and go traffic congestion from happening.

FAST actually will accomplish what other cities have accomplished in achieving Traffic Relief.

F.A.S.T. intends to install 200 closed circuit TV on the H1 and Variable Message Signs that display what speed limit is to be observed on each lane but also which lane is closed because of an accident or work on the H1.

The CCTV cameras will identify cars that run recklessly or cars that over-speed on the H1 plus provide rapid response to an accident.
on October 31,2012 | 11:03PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
You think traffic is bad now.... wait till they start shutting down lanes to build the rail. It's going to be a 15 year daily traffic jam.
on October 31,2012 | 11:20PM
MKN wrote:
Why do we have to spend $5.3 Billion to build a rail system when we can spend 1/5th of that money (this assumes giving businesses a $1000 tax credit for up to 100,000 people over a period of 10 years which would equal approximately $1 Billion) giving businesses tax credits to implement telework programs? Also, why not have non-customer service type positions for the city and state government work from home 2-3 days a week? Finally, why not accelerate the number of on-line only classes that the University of Hawaii System offers to students so that they don't have to drive to campus everyday? That way, the only times that they would need to go to an actual class are for finals, midterms, or academic advising or seeing your teacher during office hours. There's more than one way to solve traffic problems and to me, this would be a lot cheaper than any solution offered by either candidate today. It's time to think outside of the box! We don't need to turn Oahu into a giant concrete metropolis!
on October 31,2012 | 02:05AM
wiliki wrote:
We're spending only 40% of the 5.3 billion to get TOD investments of about 9 billion in Honolulu. Now isn't that a good return on investment?
on October 31,2012 | 08:03AM
MKN wrote:
@wiliki: So what you're telling me is that this whole project isn't about traffic mitigation? I point out a permanent and cheaper solution to our traffic problems and you say "We are spending $2 Billion to get $9 Billion in TOD Investments." So this project is all about paving away Hawaii's unique identity to make it look like Singapore or San Francisco and its not about attempting to reduce our traffic problems? Is that what you're telling me? The point I was making before you went off subject is, we don't need TOD or Rail or BRT to get traffic mitigation. Spending $100 Million to get traffic mitigation of potentially 100,000 less cars on the road is a much better investment than spending $5.3 Billion for rail that's supposed to mitigate traffic by 40,000 cars.
on October 31,2012 | 09:05AM
wiliki wrote:
Don't drink too much koolaid.
on October 31,2012 | 10:18PM
Kuniarr wrote:
If you have nothing to say or argue, why say it?
on October 31,2012 | 11:05PM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
Don't confuse them with logic. Anti-rail is their religion.
on October 31,2012 | 09:14AM
MKN wrote:
@Keith_Rollman: How is it logical to spend $2 Billion vs $100 Million when the solution I proposed mitigates traffic much more effectively than building a rail system? My point is it isn't logical to spend that much money unless it's all about spending taxpayer money for TOD instead of traffic mitigation. Is that what you're saying Keith_Rollman? LOL!
on October 31,2012 | 12:10PM
wiliki wrote:
You have no solution. Only a half-baked idea.
on October 31,2012 | 10:19PM
Kuniarr wrote:
F.A.S.T. has a solution - NO MORE SITTING FOR HOURS IN TRAFFIC ON H1.
F.A.S.T. will bring to Honolulu Traffic Relief which destroys the rationale for Rail - as an alternative to traffic congestion.
on October 31,2012 | 11:10PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Yes, indeed. do not confuse them with logic. Rail is their religion.
on October 31,2012 | 11:07PM
walaau808 wrote:
I like the ideas...but who's going to implement them?
on October 31,2012 | 09:49AM
Jonas wrote:
All of this stuff should be done, whether rail or FAST is accomplished. Neither solution will eliminate congestion, so we still need to come up with solutions to get more cars off the road.
on October 31,2012 | 09:58AM
Kuniarr wrote:
The tragedy in this election is that F.A.S.T. has an aspect that actually brings Traffic Relief on the H1. In other words, NO MORE SITTING FOR HOURS IN TRAFFIC ON H1. The problem is that Cayetano and his campaign people thought that BRT was what they were going to focus on and forgot about Traffic Relief.


on October 31,2012 | 05:47PM
autumnrose wrote:
Trust, yes, but get out of this blog (everyone here has already decided) and try to get new voters to vote for BEN. Why is it considered impolite to "talk politics" at social gatherings? I don't care now... I just blasted everyone on my personal e-mail list with my speech that if Cayetano wins, WE win... WE, the little people with NO VESTED INTEREST in economic development around train stations; WE, the people who understand COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION... WE, the people who like bull dogs better than train salesmen....
on October 31,2012 | 02:16AM
Wazdat wrote:
Pay to Play KIRK ?
on October 31,2012 | 03:10AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Kirk pretends he doesn't know that he is the key player in the "Pay for Play" scam, and some uninformed voters don't see what he is doing. Kirk will do anything to get elected.
on October 31,2012 | 04:57AM
wiliki wrote:
Caldwell is a pretty honest guy who has been in public office to serve the people. He accomplished much as the interim mayor of Honolulu. We should return him to office.
on October 31,2012 | 08:06AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Caldwell is dishonest.
on October 31,2012 | 11:11PM
allie wrote:
true
on October 31,2012 | 08:08AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
You're just bursting with slanderous BS today.
on October 31,2012 | 09:15AM
wondermn1 wrote:
The Truth will prevail and the RAIL WILL FAIL
on October 31,2012 | 11:57AM
loquaciousone wrote:
TWO POINT EIGHT MILLION AND COUNTING.....More to come with 6 days to election. I suspect the Carpenter's union will have wasted over 4 million dollars by the time this is done. Four million dollars that could have been used to create jobs that they expect the rail to bring. FOUR milion dollars for what? Even if Kirk gets elected, he will be under a microscope as everyone will be wating for the big payback.
on October 31,2012 | 03:51AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
This is the "machine" in action - be sure to watch Frontline on PBS about how these super pacs attempt to try and buy elections - this time it will back fire and the honorable Ben Cayetano will be elected! VOTE FOR BEN!
on October 31,2012 | 04:28AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope... Ben has taken his last dirty dollar....
on October 31,2012 | 08:08AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Kirk has taken 2.8 million dirty dollars.
on October 31,2012 | 08:43AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope his campaign has nothing to do with PACs.
on October 31,2012 | 10:16PM
walaau808 wrote:
"Honorable"? Now that's funny!
on October 31,2012 | 09:50AM
Anonymous wrote:
Ben is the old machine.
on October 31,2012 | 04:07PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Let's be sure that doesn't happen. Kirk does not deserve the support of O`ahu voters/taxpayers. He is corrupt to the bone and misleading voters by pretending he doesn't see or know what is happening.
on October 31,2012 | 04:58AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Caldwell is part of the "machine" and is the ultimate pay to play crook!
on October 31,2012 | 06:27AM
allie wrote:
His wife is the real power "boy" behind the curtain
on October 31,2012 | 08:08AM
Keith_Rollman wrote:
What a pack of uniformed haters. You guys deserve each other.
on October 31,2012 | 09:16AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Hater.
on October 31,2012 | 12:22PM
DPK wrote:
loquaciousone: The local broadcast business is happy.
on October 31,2012 | 11:11AM
shoogz wrote:
What bothers me the most other than what each candidate stands for, is that fact that the Supreme Court by ruling that groups are allowed to spend unlimited amounts of money to back the candidate of their choosing has basically circumvented the democratic election process which makes this country so great. Basically, your right to vote and elect the best candidate has been nullified by big money. This means people with power and money have the ability to buy any election as is evident in this case. That means that future candidates regardless of the merits are in trouble, that means whether it is your son or daughter who might be willing enough to run for office in this country, no matter how good their intentions to make our community better will have a huge obstacle to overcome should these groups be allowed to control the election. The only recourse for citizens to overcome this would be to come forward and vote in overwhelming numbers to counter this threat. In a fair fight, this process would not be necessary. But to have the groups contributing millions and millions of dollars only to smear and spread lies about a particular candidate is simply wrong. It may be fine with you if the candidate you favor is benefiting from such tactics, but remember, the candidate you favor in the next election might be facing the same obstacle and you will see what it is like to be on the other side of the fence….so sad.
on October 31,2012 | 04:37AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Someday we might see Donald Trump in the White House. Does any sane logical person really want that?
on October 31,2012 | 06:58AM
wiliki wrote:
If we really were to have higher voter turnout, then I hope that the truth will prevail.
on October 31,2012 | 08:10AM
loquaciousone wrote:
I meant sane and logical.
on October 31,2012 | 08:57AM
walaau808 wrote:
In spite of the gazillions that Trump has, would you seriously even consider voting for someone he supported? Really?
on October 31,2012 | 09:52AM
loquaciousone wrote:
In spite of the gazillions that John White has to spend, would you seriously even consider voting for someone he supported? Really?
on October 31,2012 | 11:37AM
Jonas wrote:
Fortunately, that will never happen.
on October 31,2012 | 09:59AM
glory_glory_man_utd wrote:
True...look at guys like Harry Kim on the Big Island trying to do things the grassroots way. I always admired him for the way he went about his campaigns....Thanks to these PACS those days are now a thing of the past.
on October 31,2012 | 08:25AM
Shh wrote:
That is so true. That is why I question whether we should even take the time to vote. I mean really? What for if all we are going to do is end up with the same old candidates year after year. What makes you think it isn't fixed and the outcome is not already known? The Federal Government would make sure the candidate they feel to carry on their job would be the person that will follow through to make things go the way they need it to go. Think deeper and then I think it will really scare you!
on October 31,2012 | 08:40AM
shoogz wrote:
That being said, no matter how much is being spent on any campaign, its the individual voter that has the voice in the election. It's up to them to be informed of the issues. In Hawaii, I am not optimistic that our all voters know the facts before they vote. PACS will spend all the money they want in trying to convince you to vote to for their candidate, but ultimately you choose the right candidate whom you believe in. So collectively your vote will help determine who the winner will be...for me its Ben all the way!!! Go Ben.
on October 31,2012 | 09:41AM
walaau808 wrote:
That's just plain and simple paranoia. Conspiracy theory? Each individual makes their own choice, then we all live with the voice of the majority. You don't have to like it, but you must live with it. The other alternative is to move...to a foreign country.
on October 31,2012 | 09:54AM
saveparadise wrote:
I like what you are saying walaau808, but in this age of computers Shh could be in fact telling the truth and fiction becomes reality. No computer is safe from hacking and any server can easily be tapped into by the Feds. Voting is easily fixed and no one would be the wiser because we read only the results the computer has provided.
on October 31,2012 | 10:39AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Bye
on October 31,2012 | 11:39AM
hikine wrote:
Hawaii will always be a Democrapic way of life, no change, same good ol' boys way of politics. No wonder nothing gets done around here. It's a laughable and at the same time a sorry state. They say they want change but in reality it's 'NO CHANGE'.
on October 31,2012 | 02:03PM
Kalli wrote:
And the pro railers would call it fair.
on October 31,2012 | 05:14AM
billso wrote:
Oahu needs transit solutions, not mirages. Cayetano has made a lot of promises without showing us a budget or even a drawing of what his multimodal system might look like. Two extra miles of Nimitz flyover will only dump more buses and cars closer to downtown.
on October 31,2012 | 05:30AM
bender wrote:
So, what do you think of the rail budget. Don't forget, at this point in rail planning we were being told that it would cost $3.7 billion, and it eventually grew to $5.3 billion. Do you really think they can do it for $5.3 billion? Not at the rate they're handing out change orders. Over 80% of the contingency fund is already committed. I think I prefer Cayetano's plan because it is more flexible and can serve a wider area than the rail system. If the rail system had parking it might attract riders but they opted for more development instead of moving people.
on October 31,2012 | 05:50AM
Giligan wrote:
And for it to work, they will need the spurs to Kapolei Second City, Waikiki, and UH. Another couple billion?
on October 31,2012 | 06:10AM
wiliki wrote:
Quite true. It would take another hour to get to Kapahulu after being stuck in city traffic. That's no solution.
on October 31,2012 | 08:11AM
Imagen wrote:
Yes, there is no solution other than to reduce the total number of vehicles off of the roads. We staggered the "back to school" jam by NOT having all public schools start on the same day? Somebody remember the TRUE back to school jam? Now the brainiacs at the DOE/BOE want to go back to starting public schools on the same day. Our leaders need to go back to school, take extra credit classes to learn how to manage a city; how to manage a state; how to manage themselves.
on October 31,2012 | 10:48AM
wiliki wrote:
The solution is rail...
on October 31,2012 | 10:15PM
pakeheat wrote:
Nope, only in your wet dreams, LOL.
on October 31,2012 | 11:30PM
Kuniarr wrote:
It is just amazing. Many cities of the US have already been obtaining Traffic Relief on Inter-State highways as well as local highways such as H-26 in Portland, Oregon,. Last Month (September), Atlanta, Georgia adopted what other cities have been doing to relieve traffic congestion - Variable Speed Limit implemented by modern technology.

And what do we have in Oahu? Rail as an alternative to traffic congestion. Geez. Are we here in Oahu so backward in time, not to know that Traffic Congestion is not anymore an unsolvable problem like in the previous Century that we have to have an alternative to traffic congestion called Rail?
on October 31,2012 | 11:22PM
walaau808 wrote:
Ben doesn't have a plan. All he's doing is catering to the anti rail folks. No plan, no budget, no nothing. You think he's going to miraculously come up with a feasible, well thought out plan once he gets in to office?
on October 31,2012 | 09:56AM
Imagen wrote:
At the very least, Ben's plan is to stop the rail nonsense and get back to clear thinking to solve our infrastructure issues, including traffic. We have many issues, none of which are being tended to today. Again at the very least, Ben will clean up our house, before he invites others in.
on October 31,2012 | 10:50AM
Anonymous wrote:
Ben's only platform is stop Rail. That's it folks. Not a care about Honolulu. Do you think he would be at the emergency crisis center if a real tsunami came in the future? After 8 pm. It medications and I'll see you at 8 am.
on October 31,2012 | 04:17PM
pakeheat wrote:
How do you know all these things Anonymous? Are you some kind of psychologist or something or a mind reader?
on October 31,2012 | 06:49PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben's plan includes Traffic Relief on the H1 which is far better than Rail or BRT.

For the first in a long long time, under Ben's F.A.S.T. there will be NO MORE SITTING FOR HOURS IN TRAFFIC ON THE H1.


on October 31,2012 | 11:29PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben has a plan that actually is much better than Rail or BRT - Traffic Relief on the H1 with Traffic Management that employs an idea that relieves traffic congestion and implemented by modern technology

No more sitting for hours in traffic on the H1 is a far better plan than Rail or BRT.
on October 31,2012 | 11:26PM
dedicatedteacher7 wrote:
The City spent our money to show us renderings of what rail would look like. I'm sure they paid a lot for this. You expect Ben to put out that kind of money in such a short time with his own money? Go out to one of his presentations and you will learn a lot.
on October 31,2012 | 06:27AM
wiliki wrote:
Not the glitzy renderings, but just a plan that had some potential to carry at least the same volume of rail passengers (40,000) on buses. 36 new buses is a joke.
on October 31,2012 | 08:15AM
Imagen wrote:
And what do you think rail is? A VERY BAD joke!
on October 31,2012 | 10:51AM
hybrid1 wrote:
: PEARL CITY, AIEA, PEARL HARBOR AND THE AIRPORT WILL BENEFIT. The Aloha Stadium BRT is developed to facilitate easy commutes for Pearl City, Aiea, Salt Lake and Halawa residents with Express 12 to 16 minute commutes to Kalihi and downtown.......................................... FAST's cornerstone is Bus Rapid Transit (BRT), an urban mass transit system that uses upgraded high-capacity buses on priority lanes to move people efficiently. It's a proven technology. A Sept. 27 Wall Street Journal story, "The Commute of the Future," chronicles the explosive growth of BRT in cities around the world. FAST will add, not take away, lanes, and it will not further congest traffic. Our plan is to add two new lanes on North King Street and three reversible lanes on the Nimitz flyover............................ FAST will double express bus service with express buses on eight routes serving areas in Leeward and Central Oahu not directly served by rail. By using the morning Zipper lane, and the (soon to be state-created) afternoon Zipper lane on H-1, FAST leverages added capacity on the H-1 for express buses........................ The BRT College Express will provide bus service for University of Hawaii-Manoa, Hawaii Pacific University and Honolulu Community College, and places in between. Similarly, Aloha Express will convey motorists from Aloha Stadium's huge parking lots to downtown within 16 minutes with bus-on-shoulder BRT service.
on October 31,2012 | 07:37AM
Jonas wrote:
And what happens when there's an accident in the zipper lane? Or when another truck hits a bridge? I want to know what the contingency plan is.
on October 31,2012 | 10:05AM
Imagen wrote:
Right back at you Jonas with Uncle Dan's trolley cars? What is the contingency plan? Oh that's right - you have none!
on October 31,2012 | 10:52AM
loquaciousone wrote:
What happens if an earthquake knocked all the rail support columns down? I don't want to know what the contingency plan because there would be none.
on October 31,2012 | 11:42AM
Anonymous wrote:
Hybrid,FAST is a cartoon and the intelligent voters seen right thru the color book charts. DOES BEN THINK WERE IDIOTS,!!! Notice his numbers dropped after announcing that pile of BS on the people of Honolulu.
on October 31,2012 | 04:21PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Unfortunately idiots do not recognize the fact that Ben's Plan contains Traffic Management System used in many cities in the US that brought Traffic Relief on H-26, I-4, I-5, and other inter-state highways.

Are we idiots not to recognize the fact that Traffic Relief is far better than Rail nor BRT?
on October 31,2012 | 11:36PM
Kuniarr wrote:
Ben's Traffic Management in F.A.S.T. brings to Honolulu what virtually everyone in Leeward wants - Traffic Relief on the H1.

NO MORE SITTING IN TRAFFIC ON THE H1
on October 31,2012 | 11:32PM
MKN wrote:
@billso: Why do we have to spend $5.3 Billion to build a rail system when we can spend 1/5th of that money (this assumes giving businesses a $1000 tax credit for up to 100,000 people over a period of 10 years which would equal approximately $1 Billion) giving businesses tax credits to implement telework programs? Also, why not have non-customer service type positions for the city and state government work from home 2-3 days a week? Finally, why not accelerate the number of on-line only classes that the University of Hawaii System offers to students so that they don't have to drive to campus everyday? That way, the only times that they would need to go to an actual class are for finals, midterms, or academic advising or seeing your teacher during office hours. There's more than one way to solve traffic problems and to me, this would be a lot cheaper than any solution offered by either candidate today. It's time to think outside of the box! We don't need to turn Oahu into a giant concrete metropolis!
on October 31,2012 | 09:08AM
Jonas wrote:
Yeah, I need to more detailed plan to see what it is. The outline given reminds me of Romney's budget plan - a pipe dream.
on October 31,2012 | 10:02AM
Kuniarr wrote:
Really, Jonas. What exactly does Obama have? Nothing. Except he thinks that the economic system of this country of ours is either Socialism or Communism and not Capitalism. And you guys swallow his Socialistic use of envy of the wealthy to redistribute income.
on October 31,2012 | 11:39PM
bender wrote:
I'm wondering why the StarAdvertiser hasn't tried to find out who is paying the bill for the PRP Pac. The SA usually is out there in front trying to get the info. What the "hands off" treatment for PRP. It would be interesting to see who is paying. I wonder if the SA is on that list.
on October 31,2012 | 05:52AM
walaau808 wrote:
Why does it really matter? People make contributions on both sides of the fence, but you keep asking only for PRP's information? If you bothered to read, you would see that unionized contractors connected to the carpenters union are the ones making contributions. Happy now?
on October 31,2012 | 09:59AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Yea.. the very ones building the rail project.
on October 31,2012 | 11:28PM
Allenk wrote:
SA is benefitting from the advertising. They aren't going to slaughter the sacred cow.
on October 31,2012 | 12:25PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
That's because the newspaper is part of the "machine" - I am sure the SA rag is a player. They have a monopoly which is quite incredible if you think about it!
on October 31,2012 | 12:57PM
worldtraveler wrote:
"ANTI-RAIL GROUP PUMPS $2.8 MILLION INTO CAMPAIGN" says the bogus headline above the fold this morning -- another devious ploy by the Star-Ad to fool the public? How many editors looked at and approved it? How can we rely on this monopoly for crucial information? Then later in the story, buried, we see the Carpenters put in another $700,000, so the real headline should have read "PRO-RAIL GROUPS SPEND 15 TIMES MORE THAN ANTI-RAILERS: $3.5 MILLION VERSUS $240,000"
on October 31,2012 | 06:11AM
nalogirl wrote:
I caught that too, and I highly doubt it was a mistake. SA and their backers want people to believe that the ANTI rail group has spent that money, for shame SA. for shame.
on October 31,2012 | 11:18AM
Anonymous wrote:
Stop screaming, your not on a train in Europe.
on October 31,2012 | 04:22PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
The thing that bothers me is that the political dialogue in this State seems to be driven more and more by PACs and groups from outside the State. Its not just PRP its also the US Chamber of Commerce in the Senate Race and other such groups. What bothers me the most about these groups is that they are driven by their own self interest and not the interest of the community as a whole. I am not sure that the status quo of money and politics is good for our society and as some point there needs to be a way to provide some balance so that the political discourse is more balanced.
on October 31,2012 | 06:35AM
honokai wrote:
The Civil Beat poll shows Cayetano hanging on. Expect more money to be paid so these guys can play.
on October 31,2012 | 06:39AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Now I would like to see a breakdown of how much taxpayer's money have already been spent on the rail and how much have already been committed through prematurely awarded contracts.
on October 31,2012 | 07:01AM
McCully wrote:
To shut down the unions who feed PRP and slime ball John White, voters need to elect Cayetano for mayor. That money should have given to the unemployed carpenters.
on October 31,2012 | 07:10AM
Shh wrote:
I agree. What a shame. So sad that whey would rather use their money to smear another candidate than to use the money to give to their unemployed carpenters.
on October 31,2012 | 08:45AM
walaau808 wrote:
You guys kill me. Unemployed means you're not working...it means you're not getting paid because you're not working! That's what unemployment compensation is for. Money contributed to the PRP PAC would've never found its way into unemployed carpenters pockets anyway! Do you really know of any employer who would give money directly to the unemployed? If so, I want an unemployed job with them!
on October 31,2012 | 10:03AM
kainalu wrote:
Do you notice the ads don't focus on the rail? That's because this election isn't about a single issue, it's about the integrity of the man in office. Cayetano doesn't have any integrity, a PLUMMENTING approval rating as Governor as he left the State in shambles. As the polls have indicated Ben has peaked while Kirk is surging, is an indication that the voting public is starting to remember Ben's last days as Governor. So bad, that a democratic state voted in a Republican the next go-around.
on October 31,2012 | 07:14AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Lingle got in because her opponent was Hirono. That's like deciding between dumb and dumber and dumb won.
on October 31,2012 | 07:19AM
walaau808 wrote:
Lingle got in because democrat Ben left a bad taste in peoples mouths...
on October 31,2012 | 10:04AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Why do you think Lingle got re-elected for a 2nd term? People still had that " Bad Taste" in their mouths 4 years later? No.. more likely she was up against weak candidates that didn't debate as well as she did. Hawaii voters trusted her to manage the state for 8 years but obviously don't feel comfortable with her "republican" label if sent to congress. The balance of power is too close in the senate and Hawaii is better off with a democratic senate. Voters arent lost on that fact. While Mazie is not a good candidate in my opinion, she's the only other choice.
on November 1,2012 | 12:26AM
hybrid1 wrote:
Governor Ben : • Pushed through one of the biggest state personal income tax reductions in the nation at the time • Reduced the size and growth of state government to less than the inflation rate • Established the Hawai‘i Tourism Authority • Implemented civil service reform • Built a record number of public schools • Built a record number of homes for Native Hawaiian homesteaders • Developed the Hawai‘i Convention Center to boost tourism • Started the Hawai‘i State Art Museum • Began construction of the new John A. Burns School of Medicine and research center for the University of Hawai‘i • Kept his promise to make public education his highest priority by sparing schools from budget cuts at the expense of other state departments • Ordered the State Attorney General to investigate the Bishop Estate, an $11 billion trust fund set up for the benefit and education of Hawaiian children • When Hawaii’s economy rebounded in 1999, Ben promoted growth in new areas to further diversify the economy • Created the nation’s first state-funded after-school Plus (A )in 1989.
on October 31,2012 | 07:38AM
walaau808 wrote:
You make it sound like Ben did this all by himself, lol! A lot of the things that happened were because of the work of the legislature! Ben gets credit because he happened to be sitting in the governor's seat at that time.
on October 31,2012 | 10:06AM
saveparadise wrote:
So one should take only blame for bad and no credit for good?
on October 31,2012 | 10:45AM
Anonymous wrote:
John Burns School and the Convention Center has links to no bid contracts. Go google it.
on October 31,2012 | 04:26PM
Rapanui00 wrote:
That's not a real poll - check out civil beats polls!
on October 31,2012 | 12:58PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
kainalu wrote: "Do you notice the ads don't focus on the rail? That's because this election isn't about a single issue, it's about the integrity of the man in office."

I thought it was because the rail project is such a mess that they'd rather talk about a former governor GASP! pardoning prisoners and accepting campaign contributions EXACTLY THE SAME WAY Mazie Hirono did.
on October 31,2012 | 03:00PM
2_centz wrote:
That is why the Lord gave leaders among us and the Lord made followers and then there were wars and whomever had the winning army had their way. The PAC folks are just thinking for themsleves selfishlly. The people will be saddled with an enormous debt by the legislature and the city council. No one seemed to care since the rail "which don't have the 'federal money yet" has gone ahead to spend money to begin thinking that nothing can stop it. THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT Linda Lingle HAS DONE WITH THE SUPERFERRY. The plan wasn't complete, not all the money was there thinking the income would've supported the SuperFerry, but the lackk of cash from operations was the BIGGEST INDICATOR that the SuperFerry wouldn't continue to operate, since the operation wasn't sustainable. This is the same with rail, Only false thinking and believing the people will bite and swallow the bait and be hooked. BEN IS THE LEADER THINKING OF THE PEOPLE. But the SuperFerry and Rail are operations that won't support itself. then the debt of rail will fall back on the people just by making laws where the people don't like but the legislature has set themsleves to profit for themsleves.
on October 31,2012 | 07:19AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Your 2 cents is worth 2.8 million dollars.
on October 31,2012 | 07:29AM
Kaleo744 wrote:
The only future I see in Rail is a doomed one...all the bradda's and the sista's and their keiki's keiki's will wonder why get one big puka in the pocket. I feel sorry for all the union workers their just being used by their cooperate lolo's.
on October 31,2012 | 07:37AM
Shh wrote:
Yup, they would have a job and that would be building a mess for their own kids to have to clean up later because no one will be using it. So when you think about it. They are not helping but hurting the future for their children as well as for all of us.
on October 31,2012 | 08:48AM
walaau808 wrote:
So glad you both have a crystal ball at home that tells you exactly what's going to happen in the future. Shoot, you both should run for office since you know it all!
on October 31,2012 | 10:08AM
Eagle156 wrote:
The carpenters are being robbed by John White. Their jobs on the rail project are a tiny percentage of the total construction wages on Oahu. Most of the rail money is going out of state or country to the major players in the rail fiasco.
on October 31,2012 | 07:43AM
Macadamiamac wrote:
If true, they're getting screwed in stereo: their union dues are used to broadcast lies, putting their credibility in question and later, no one is going to hire them because they can't be trusted to be truthful.
on October 31,2012 | 08:05AM
allie wrote:
yup
on October 31,2012 | 08:09AM
walaau808 wrote:
Really? So proof...
on October 31,2012 | 10:09AM
walaau808 wrote:
*show
on October 31,2012 | 10:10AM
soundofreason wrote:
Shame they set fire to all that money.
on October 31,2012 | 07:43AM
soundofreason wrote:
Remember the "I will not forget" (what they did) creed when you get into office Ben. Payback is a.....
on October 31,2012 | 07:46AM
wiliki wrote:
Nope the ads are right. It was very very unethical for Ben to receive the dirty money. He should have apologized for that. Otherwise, we have the impression that he approved of the donations to his campaign and the favors that were offered in return. Doing nothing and claiming no illegal action is not an acceptable-- especially when the penalty he paid, $5K, is no where near the $500K he received.
on October 31,2012 | 07:49AM
Macadamiamac wrote:
Are you a union carpenter? Drank the koolaid huh?
on October 31,2012 | 08:01AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
You are absolutely incorrect - stop speading these lies. The court case for slander will set the record straight!
on October 31,2012 | 08:51AM
polekasta wrote:
First you say it is unethical for Cayetano to have received dirty money, I say, how do you know if those contributions to a campaign is illegal or not at the time of the donation? Second, It is PRP who is giving the impression that Cayetano knowingly accepted those contributions were to be considered "illegal", and that favors were offered in return. Finally, Doing nothing, sounds like how Caldwell is doing right now. Caldwell can't even denounce the ads put out by PRP because he's afraid that he'll lose support from PRP. Caldwell is the biggest player in the Pay to Play book. PRP, and workers for a better Hawaii are paying to get Caldwell into office, In return Caldwell will reward those unions with work for their members in the form of Rail construction and Housing construction. PAY TO PLAY,,, and I thought Caldwell was against pay to play. what a joke.
on October 31,2012 | 10:47AM
nalogirl wrote:
Well said polekasta.
on October 31,2012 | 11:20AM
wiliki wrote:
Knowingly or not, it was accepted. Ben must be accountable for that.
on October 31,2012 | 10:12PM
pakeheat wrote:
baloney wiliki, try something more convincingly than b.s.
on October 31,2012 | 11:31PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
The truth is all politicians do some form of "pay to play". When people give you money.. unless it's your parents, there's ALWAYS an expectation of receiving something in return! Anyone who thinks otherwise is just fooling themselves. And as you know, the easiest person to fool is yourself.
on October 31,2012 | 11:46PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
wiliki wrote: "Nope the ads are right. It was very very unethical for Ben to receive the dirty money. He should have apologized for that. "

I must have missed Mazie Hirono apology for "receiving the dirty money." Did she? Or does her being in favor of the rail project make "receiving the dirty money" ethical?

You guys don't seem at all concerned about Mazie Hirono similarly illegal contributions.
on October 31,2012 | 03:04PM
wiliki wrote:
Hirono also returned more than she was given. Her record is clean.
on October 31,2012 | 10:13PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
wiliki wrote: "Hirono also returned more than she was given. Her record is clean."

Knowingly or not, it was accepted. Mazie must be accountable for that. (does that sound familar?)

"Hirono’s gubernatorial campaign owed $164,265 to the Commission, she paid $95,073.58, and still has a balance of $69,191.42;"

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/hawaii-politicians-received-2-2-million-in-illegal-campaign-contributions/123
on October 31,2012 | 11:10PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
What about Mazie? She recieved the same donations from the same illegal donors. She's pro rail though so it's ok right? Kirk's donations come from the same crowd. You speak with forked tongue out of both sides of your mouth.
on October 31,2012 | 11:36PM
loquaciousone wrote:
http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/lydia-callis-during-hurricane-sandy-eyes-bloombergs-super-160700594.html
on October 31,2012 | 07:56AM
Macadamiamac wrote:
Well, we all know not to hire union carpenters anymore, they lie.
on October 31,2012 | 08:00AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Not only do they lie, but they are apparently rolling in money.
on October 31,2012 | 03:06PM
Dan_Douglass wrote:
PRP=DJ4K (Deceitful Jirks For Kirk).
on October 31,2012 | 08:11AM
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on October 31,2012 | 08:22AM
kennie1933 wrote:
You know, I guess I know the answer to my own question but regarding Tulsi's oppnent.....he's a homeless man. He LIVES life at the bottom of society every single day. He might not have the political smarts, but he's had to survive with almost nothing. Gabbard and so many other polticians only read about it or hear about it in the news. This guy lives it! So, maybe he will not be able to survive in the political arena where so much money flows from special interests (who have NO interest in him), but he sure has experiences that no other politician can claim. Sometimes I look at the ballot and wonder what would happen is ALL those no-names actually won?
on October 31,2012 | 11:39AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Nobody gives away $3 million in free "advertising". The PRP is simply buying Honolulu Hale. Does anyone think there will not be huge payback for all that money?
on October 31,2012 | 08:29AM
walaau808 wrote:
Fact is, portions of the rail project have already been bid and awarded. Portions that haven't will go through the procurement process and awarded then. Chapter 104 wage requirements will apply so that everyone is using the same wage scales. How do you figure the huge payback?
on October 31,2012 | 10:15AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Kirk never met a union that he would not bow down to. After near $4 million, PRP will pretty much call the shots at Honolulu Hale. Fact of life, money talks and big money talks louder. Everybody knows that. The only question is what form the payback will take.
on October 31,2012 | 01:21PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It'll be whatever they want of course. The Union controlled, democratic power machine in action, just like it's been for the last 50 years and will continue for the foreseeable future.
on October 31,2012 | 11:52PM
Imagen wrote:
@Maneki_Neko: The answer is, walaau808. "IT" is what the PRP movement has caused; more brain-dead, mindless moths being lead to the fire...pzzzzzt........
on October 31,2012 | 10:58AM
joseph007 wrote:
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on October 31,2012 | 08:31AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Let's all rally down at Thomas Square and pitch tents and hold signs. What should the signs say?
on October 31,2012 | 08:58AM
scooters wrote:
Just goes to show you that money does buy votes and that DIRTY politics is the norm for Hawaii. A two party system does not exist here and we're lead by the unreliable that we currently have. What a shame....
on October 31,2012 | 08:56AM
walaau808 wrote:
Why don't you run for office then?
on October 31,2012 | 10:16AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I'm guessing because "money does buy votes and that DIRTY politics is the norm for Hawaii. A two party system does not exist here and we're lead by the unreliable that we currently have."
on October 31,2012 | 03:07PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
PRP would smear him too if he spoke out against rail.
on October 31,2012 | 11:53PM
DABLACK wrote:
Will Hawaii still get the money for the rail ?? Will the larger states on the east coast have more priority to build their damaged homes than Hawaii's train ?? Will uncle Dan get his way with the funds ?? Or will there be a WW-3 ??
on October 31,2012 | 09:22AM
saveparadise wrote:
What does congress intend to do when China forecloses on our $16 trillion debt? We are borrowing from a borrower. Please people of Hawaii let's not build this thing. We can do without it and we can do without more debt.
on October 31,2012 | 10:14AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
China actually only holds about 1 trillion in US debt..... and has been selling it's holdings lately. The US taxpayers are actually the biggest creditor to our government, 6 trillion of US debt is owed to our own social security trust fund.
on October 31,2012 | 11:59PM
gsc wrote:
I'm not only voting for Gov BEN, but I'm PROUDLY voting for him !! I ask everyone who vote for him one question ? How many years in a Billion seconds .... ANSWER 31.7 YEARS !!!! Think of 5.6 Billion !!! Now if there was a diaster like the one on the east coast could the Rail help ??? ANSWER NO !!!!!! Multiple BUSES could offer curb to curb service any where on this Island !!! Dan Inouye stated " The city of Honolulu will get funding for Rail unless there is World War III " Well what happened on the East Coast is pretty close. If Gov BEN loses well the City of Honolulu also LOSES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 31,2012 | 09:40AM
Jonas wrote:
You sound as if you believe the bus system would be eliminated. That's not the case.
on October 31,2012 | 10:12AM
gsc wrote:
No but with nineteen per cent of the cities budget going to rail, bus service will be curtailed !!
on October 31,2012 | 10:33AM
walaau808 wrote:
You're right, having additional buses and enhanced BRT will surely be better than rail should we have a catastrophic natural disaster...REALLY?
on October 31,2012 | 10:23AM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Yes really. Flexible to change according to route requirements. Elevated heavy rail, stuck up in the sky, no go when the power is out, can't change directions, can't adapt. Inflexible. One pillar falls down in earthquake, no more Carzy Train, but the bus will drive around it and pick up people.
on October 31,2012 | 01:24PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Agreed.
on October 31,2012 | 03:31PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
The news reports say that the subways, trains and rail systems are all stopped in the northeast but the buses are being used to pick up and move folks who need transport after the storm. So there.....puff on that little fact, pal.
on October 31,2012 | 04:47PM
lowtone123 wrote:
Dey sked das why.
on October 31,2012 | 09:42AM
IMVHO wrote:
No disrespect intended but is Ben well? He doesn't look well, this concerns me.
on October 31,2012 | 09:48AM
oxtail01 wrote:
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on October 31,2012 | 10:25AM
loquaciousone wrote:
Aren't you late for lunch?
on October 31,2012 | 11:44AM
oxtail01 wrote:
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on October 31,2012 | 10:13AM
saveparadise wrote:
The style and class in your rant belies your disrespect for anyone other than yourself. Kiss yourself in the mirror much this morning?
on October 31,2012 | 10:24AM
gsc wrote:
oxtail01, Ai Kae !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on October 31,2012 | 10:25AM
saveparadise wrote:
You rock gsc!
on October 31,2012 | 10:50AM
Rapanui00 wrote:
Your comments show what a uneducated fool you are!
on October 31,2012 | 01:00PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
oxtail01 wrote: "Cayetano is a little fat Filipino version of...."

Please take your racism elsewhere. Your hate speech isn't appropriate here.
on October 31,2012 | 03:09PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
heil hitler
on November 1,2012 | 12:03AM
silvangold wrote:
GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO BEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO COLEEN GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA GO OBAMA
on October 31,2012 | 10:15AM
saveparadise wrote:
Caldwell is nothing but a mutt owned by PRP. Here Caldwell! Sit Caldwell, heel boy! Lick my feet since I got you elected. Approve all our bids and demands or you sleep outside. Listen up Hawaii, we don't need a bought and paid for Mayor that does tricks for treats. The evil entities are here to reap our taxes and profit big time off our land. Do not give in to the PRP brainwashing propaganda that will forever haunt us.
on October 31,2012 | 10:15AM
silvangold wrote:
EXACTLY! LISTEN EVERYBODY, LISTEN. saveparadise speaks the TRUTH!
on October 31,2012 | 10:27AM
silleboy wrote:
The negative ads by PRP convinced me to vote Cayatano. It may me feel like he was running for me and my family and not special interest groups.
on October 31,2012 | 10:55AM
LanaUlulani wrote:


I support Democrat Ben Cayetano for Mayor!

The rail on O'ahu will CRUSH our kupunas' bones and CRUSH our keiki and mo'opuna with dream-killing DEBT and further enslave them to the Federal Reserve and Goldman Sachs.

One way to strip special interest groups of their arrogance over local people is to strip them of the mayoral title. DO IT! Vote for Ben Cayetano!!! Mahalo :)


on October 31,2012 | 11:01AM
ready2go wrote:
How can we get a list of PRP contributors?
on October 31,2012 | 11:04AM
Dan_Douglass wrote:
The libel lawsuit forces a subpoena of PRP's communications. Will not happen until after the election, but that is still a victory for transparency in the process.
on October 31,2012 | 12:29PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
it comes from the contractors that employ unionized workers. You know... the same people building the rail.
on November 1,2012 | 12:05AM
kennie1933 wrote:
Here's the thing...no matter what you might think about Ben Cayetano, if Caldwell wins, the political process in Hawaii will be changed forever, unless a law banning PACs from putting out ads is passed, and that is unlikely to happen. If Caldwell is elected, PRP and other PACs will be emboldened to support future candidates of their choice so either they will pour money into one particular candidate in certain races, or all candidates will have to bow down to the PACs if they want any chance of winning. Is that how we want our candidates to be selected? PACs like PRP make individual donations to a candidate meaningless. PRP obviously has lots of money to advertise against another candidate....too bad they don't use that money to support the union workers. Next contract, the workers will be asking for more. All the unions that donate to PRP better hand over some of that money to the workers!
on October 31,2012 | 11:11AM
false wrote:
Kennie, well said. Whether it be a PRP or a BVD these guys will OWN Hawaii.
on October 31,2012 | 11:58AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I think we're seeing now what will happen to future candidates that go against the Unions.... unlimited funding to smear you anyway, anyhow possible if Kirk wins. No politician will dare oppose them, their behind the scene consolidation of political power in Hawaii will be complete.
on November 1,2012 | 12:10AM
stevelaudig wrote:
All that money contributed for Caldwell's candidacy will have to be repaid should he win. It's either a bribe or a loan, either way the taxpayer will be repaying it via Caldwell's policies.
on October 31,2012 | 12:31PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Exactly. Nobody gives away $4 million worth of support and expects nothing in return. Especially a union. Kirk does love those unions.
on October 31,2012 | 01:26PM
Kuniarr wrote:
The SA polls show that Ben Cayetano is losing and that in the other polls he has reached his peak at 50% while Caldwell continues to surge.

Cayetano's campaign people are apparently not aware that the battle was not Rail-Traffic vs. BRT but Rail-Traffic vs. Traffic Relief and BRT.

Even in this forum all anti-rail comments never mention the fact that F.A.S.T. contains an aspect more important and of greater benefit to all - Traffic Relief.
on October 31,2012 | 01:26PM
Kuniarr wrote:
For even without BRT, just Traffic Relief alone destroys the very rationale for Rail.
on October 31,2012 | 01:29PM
hikine wrote:
Ben Cayetano stated that since he didn't know about the illegal contributions he had the right to keep the money citing the loophole in the law thus I question his integrity. Why didn't he give it back or at least donated it to a worthy cause but NO.. he kept it. He's depending on popularity vote to win, nothing more. His idea for fixing the traffic jam is ridiculous, how can you built another overhead freeway or roadway when the street that merges with is the same size? It's not going to work and it'll actually double the problem.
on October 31,2012 | 01:56PM
gsc wrote:
hikine, The answer is Modern Technology ....
on October 31,2012 | 02:37PM
false wrote:
Just read on CivilBeat to Jeff Portnoy represents PRP and John White. Interesting.
on October 31,2012 | 02:09PM
loquaciousone wrote:
Someone should tell Inouye that World War III will begin on November 17, 2012.
on October 31,2012 | 02:43PM
niimi wrote:
That's all? Just $2.8 Million? I was hoping the PAC would waste $12.8 Million. Then we can watch the union members make the PAC operators squirm for peeing away their precious retirement monies.
on October 31,2012 | 04:12PM
niimi wrote:
Republicans seem so energized that my Republican friends, many who didn't turn out last mayor's race, are all turning out just to vote for Cayetano. Gosh, all those Senior citizens are all against rail.
on October 31,2012 | 04:16PM
kaiakea wrote:
Follow the money. Spending that much to defeat someone who would stop rail tells me how many people stand to get rich off rail, and the Oahu taxpayer. Go Ben, and take these suckas down!
on October 31,2012 | 05:15PM
Anonymous wrote:
Funny how the PRP talk about Ben taking money in no-bid contracts, but this Union spends $1M to slander him... to get a rail money.
on October 31,2012 | 05:42PM
Tanabe wrote:
Whether the wolf or the coyote wins, the rabbit still loses. Another pointless election with crap choices.
on October 31,2012 | 07:23PM
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