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Victim's record in dispute for trial

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 10:16 p.m. HST, Jul 17, 2013

  Dennis oda / Nov. 17 State Department agent Christopher Deedy is confronted with a sign with a picture of shooting victim Kollin Elderts. Deedy, who was in town for APEC, is accused of fatally shooting Elderts at the Waikiki McDonald's on Nov. 5.

The man fatally shot by a federal agent in Waikiki just before the 2011 Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference had been involved in a disorderly conduct case 21⁄2 years earlier when he had to be subdued by officers outside a Kailua bar.

Kollin Elderts, 23, was drunk in 2008 when he resisted arrest and swore at police before being subdued, according to court documents recently filed on behalf of the federal agent charged with murder in the Waikiki shooting.

State Department Special Agent Christopher Deedy is accused of murdering Elderts during an altercation at the McDonald's restaurant on Kuhio Avenue at about 2:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2011.

Deedy's lawyer, Brook Hart, filed a request this month seeking to introduce details from police in Elderts' disorderly conduct case at his client's trial this summer

Hart said the case shows Elderts' "aggressive and violent character" and supports the defense contention that the off-duty agent was forced to fire the shot to defend himself and others.

The defense lawyer filed the papers in response to an earlier request by city prosecutors seeking to exclude any evidence of Elderts' "specific instances of aggressive conduct," prior "bad acts" and his criminal record.

City Deputy Prosecutor Janice Futa said in her request that such evidence, if introduced, would create "unfair prejudice," confuse the issues and mislead the jury.

Futa declined to comment last week on the defense request but is expected to strongly oppose Hart's motion.

Circuit Judge Karen Ahn has yet to set a hearing on the defense request.

The trial is scheduled to start July 1.

The shooting occurred just before the start of the APEC meetings and drew widespread media coverage.

Deedy, 30, of Virginia, who is free on $250,000 bond, was here to help provide security.

City prosecutors maintain that Deedy appeared to be drunk after a night of bar-hopping and was the aggressor who "thrust kicked" Elderts and fired his 9 mm Glock three times after repeatedly telling the Kailua man he would shoot him in the face.

Deedy's defense is that a drunken and belligerent Elderts harassed a customer with racial slurs, instigated the deadly confrontation, tried to grab Deedy's gun and left the agent with no choice but to fire.

Elderts' disorderly conduct case, Hart said in his filing on May 16, is "highly relevant and critically important evidence."

According to the defense filing, which cites multiple police reports:

» Elderts was arrested outside Boardriders bar on Hamakua Drive at about 2 a.m. May 10, 2008.

» He was in an unruly crowd of 70 to 150 people that drew about 10 to 18 officers to the bar's parking lot. Some people in the crowd were fighting, including Elderts.

» Elderts, who had a cut to his nose and mouth, was "verbally aggressive." When police told him to "calm down," he refused, swore at police and challenged others in the crowd to fight.

» Elderts' brother, Zachary, and eight police officers tried to control Elderts, but he would not stop screaming, swearing and yelling about a fight. Elderts "kept pushing his body up against" the officers and his brother, who was trying to help.

» Elderts refused to be arrested for disorderly conduct and challenged the officers. Police took Elderts "to the ground," but he was still "considerably struggling and yelling" as police tried to handcuff him.

» Once Elderts was arrested, most of the bystanders left, and the "situation seemed to calm down."

» Elderts, who was 20 at the time, said he had used a fake identification card to get into the bar.

» Two months later Elderts was convicted of disorderly conduct.

"The sharply disputed question of who was the first aggressor in this case will be a key issue at trial," Hart argued in his motion. "Especially relevant are the facts that during Elderts' disorderly conduct crime, he was intoxicated, he was actively seeking to escalate the situation and fight, and he was being very aggressive toward and noncompliant with law enforcement officers."

The defense has maintained in earlier court documents that Deedy identified himself as a law enforcement officer at the McDonald's restaurant, but Elderts became more irate.

Hart's request is one of several motions on the admissibility of evidence pending before Judge Ahn.

The motions include the prosecution's request to exclude from trial Elderts' toxicology report that shows alcohol, cocaine and evidence of marijuana in his system.

The prosecutors cited the autopsy report that said Elderts died of the gunshot to his chest and did not indicate that alcohol or drugs contributed to his death. They said the presence of alcohol and drugs is "completely irrelevant" to the facts of the case.

Another motion is a defense bid to introduce at trial a cellphone video taken by a man after the shooting. The defense says the video shows Deedy rendering aid to Elderts, trying to stop the flow of blood and urging him to breathe.

Hart also wants to introduce a 2010 drunken driving conviction for Elderts to show his "character trait to engage in dangerous behavior that places other people at risk of death or serious injury."

A video recording taken by the McDonald's surveillance cameras of the altercation is expected to be shown to the jury.

A copy of the soundless recording was filed last year by the defense to support a request seeking the dismissal of the murder charge based on the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause. The provision prohibits state prosecution of federal law enforcement officers acting in the scope of their duties.

Ahn granted a prosecution request to seal the recording until a hearing on the dismissal motion or the trial.

Hart withdrew the dismissal request this year, canceling the hearing.

Three weeks of jury selection in the high-profile case ended May 7. The trial opening had been previously set for July 1 to accommodate jury selection and the judge's vacation in June. Jury selection went faster than expected.

Ahn told the jurors to refrain from discussing the case with anyone or watching, reading or listening to anything regarding the case. The trial is expected to last one to two months.






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HLOEWEN wrote:
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on May 27,2013 | 02:21AM
Grimbold wrote:
Elderts was not a loss to Society. Unfortunately indirectly he may ruin the shooter's life too. Too bad I am not on the Jury. Deedy would not be sentenced.
on May 27,2013 | 05:44AM
Slow wrote:
He deserved to be shot to death? Why?
on May 27,2013 | 06:45AM
laachang wrote:
Because he was a punk---- that's why!!!!
on May 27,2013 | 06:57AM
BluesBreaker wrote:
His behavior was reprehensible, but doesn't rise to the level of a capital crime.
on May 27,2013 | 07:09AM
false wrote:
Eldert's was bad but didn't deserve a bullet and one person jury decision. That's the issue. Does one person with a gun have the privilege and power to decide life and death of anyone? Could have been your brother, son, father, `ohana. What is that verse "He who is without sin, throw the first stone"? The butcher killing in England seems to be another view of man's inhumanity to man. Why is that different?
on May 27,2013 | 07:18AM
cojef wrote:
Right! Eldert may be a punk, but he deserve better than death. Everyone deserve to be judged by his peers. According to the article he was annoying another individual and Deedy intervened. Don't know if a Federal law enforcement person must intervene when he is off-duty in an altercation not directed to him????
on May 27,2013 | 07:43AM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Have you seen the video? I may be wrong but I believe that a gun or taser are the recommended methods of subduing aggressive chronics.
on May 27,2013 | 08:30AM
allie wrote:
Eldert did not deserve to die. Yes, he was a punk but was he worse than thousand of other losers out here hanging on at the edges of society? Elderts was one of many holding back this state but no, he did not deserve a bullet.
on May 27,2013 | 08:39AM
nitpikker wrote:
maybe not BUT still no loss!! what is one less a**hole who may have killed someone in the future.
on May 27,2013 | 12:30PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
If someone identifies himself as a federal officer and points a gun at you..... you don't try to fight with him unless you have a death wish. Careful what you wish for..................
on May 27,2013 | 02:20PM
soundofreason wrote:
Certainly NOT a productive member of society. His "contributions" will not be missed. I think we can all guess (due to laws of probability) where this guy was headed. Now, no single moms will be made by him and no dui deaths. The probability of these things happening FAR outweigh the REMOTE possibility of him waking up one day and seeing the light.
on May 27,2013 | 08:20AM
buttery wrote:
Kudos! On target! Everything is so right about your comment!
on May 27,2013 | 10:10AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
interesting perspective, it's a good thing we don't have you writing laws for the rest of us. Your probabilities theory is extreme to say the least.
on May 27,2013 | 02:48PM
soundofreason wrote:
Why should these punks always get to be the ones to draw FIRST blood - THEN get sentenced?

"The motions include the prosecution's request to exclude from trial Elderts' toxicology report that shows alcohol, cocaine and evidence of marijuana in his system.">>>


on May 27,2013 | 09:00AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Drug use should be a capital crime in your book right? It was his belligerent behavior that got him killed... that and alot of alcohol to fuel it.
on May 27,2013 | 02:50PM
SomebodyElse wrote:
Deedy is a punk, he is trained, he should have squared off and seen where the punches fly. Deedy doesn't deserve to wear a weapon and have the right to determine if deadly force is necessary. Cops in Hawaii don't shoot guys who try to start a fistfight, try to run them over and that's a different story. Why was Deedy armed when drinking? At a minimum, he should be relieved of duty and find a new job and do time for manslaughter. He screwed up, abused his authority, and should be held accountable.
on May 27,2013 | 08:39PM
false wrote:
Both men acted badly at the Waikiki fight. But Elderts' previous bad behavior does not show his shooting was justified. That determination has to be made based upon the evidence of what happened in McDonalds. The entire story has not come out in a way which allows both sides to present their cases and be cross-examined. But it appears Deedy had several times where he could have walked away but instead chose to escalate the confrontation.

Yes, Elderts does seem to have been a "punk." But Deedy appears to have been drunk and trigger-happy. There is no reason why Eldert's "punkness" necessarily makes Deedy a good guy. I am not on the jury and am willing to revise my opinion as more evidence comes out. But at this point, the shooting looks completely unjustified and Deedy appears to be guilty of second-degree murder. Or, at least, manslaughter.


on May 27,2013 | 08:09AM
scooters wrote:
Again, why did Eberts try to take away the Officers gun? That showed his intent to do what? Shoot the Officer? Eberts could have walked away also but instead went for the Officer's gun which proved to fatal for him. Dumb move on his part.
on May 27,2013 | 08:37AM
Usagi336 wrote:
An obviously intoxicated guy pulls a gun on you. Threatens to shoot you in the face. Sure sounds like a reasonable Officer's actions to me. Who's to say that Kollin wasn't trying to protect everyone else from a drunk with a gun?
on May 27,2013 | 10:57AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
AHH ... the video which the prosecution wants to supress along with the tox report and his criminal record.
on May 27,2013 | 02:23PM
Mypualani wrote:
Did you see him try to take away the gun? We're there? You are going by what deedy's lawyer is putting out there not by facts, did you see the tape? Of course not but the grand jury did and that is why dumb, drunk, running around with a loaded fire arm, and knife carrying DEEDY your hero got his okole indicted yeah? Think about that folks.
on May 27,2013 | 11:49PM
allie wrote:
agree
on May 27,2013 | 08:40AM
buttery wrote:
Is it hard for you to keep to the facts? The person with any alcoholic content was elders! The news report didn't say Deedy was trigger happy, nor did the prosecuting office. No one assumed Deedy is a good guy because Elderts seem to be a punk(your words)
on May 27,2013 | 10:22AM
Usagi336 wrote:
It is known that Deedy was drinking a lot prior to the event eye witness accounts. That will be established in court even though he was never tested. If federal agents are given the OK to carry while consuming alcohol on their own time, we should all be afraid.
on May 27,2013 | 11:05AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Eldert's had a history of agression toward Police, I doubt Deedy had a history of shooting drunk innocent bystanders.
on May 27,2013 | 02:25PM
Usagi336 wrote:
Well anytime you draw a gun after you've been drinking there's a very good chance of innocents getting shot. We have one the strictest gun laws in the country but it didn't help Kollin from getting killed by a drunk shooter. It's a given that we always will need to deal with troublemakers but do we need to worry now about armed agents who have been out drinking?
on May 27,2013 | 03:12PM
Slow wrote:
Irrelevant. Do you want to be judged forever by the indiscretions of your wild younger days? I hope you had a few.
on May 27,2013 | 08:38PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Law enforcement officers do not "walk away" from crime or criminals harassing citizens. It's Eldert's who should have walked away.
on May 27,2013 | 02:53PM
peanutgallery wrote:
You'd be singin' a completely different tune if this punk was in your face, or your friends, or your family. Elderts reaped what he sewed.
on May 27,2013 | 05:11PM
Mypualani wrote:
Really.
on May 27,2013 | 11:50PM
scooters wrote:
When you try to grab an Officer's gun, expect to be shot. Period.
on May 27,2013 | 08:34AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
He asked for it .... and got it!
on May 27,2013 | 02:17PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Maybe not deserved but certainly he asked for it. I hear Deedy even fired a warning shot into the roof first but Eldert's still had the balls to come at him. I'd say that's asking for it.
on May 27,2013 | 02:41PM
scooters wrote:
Agree!
on May 27,2013 | 08:33AM
akuboatcaptain wrote:
agreed. i see a lot of punks like these acting tough, bullying people, making big body and sooner than later, they run into a tougher guy, usually one carrying a gun. good riddance.
on May 27,2013 | 11:17AM
postmanx wrote:
Sounds to me like the case is being tried in the media.
on May 27,2013 | 09:03PM
Imagen wrote:
All controversial cases are tried in the media; specifically this forum. Ha! And here you thought that this was a democracy and that the system works. Must be same fools that voted for rail.
on May 28,2013 | 12:36PM
LMO wrote:
"Ahn told the jurors to refrain from discussing the case with anyone or watching, reading or listening to anything regarding the case." You know they're all reading this!
on May 27,2013 | 02:30AM
DocDen wrote:
As if the jurors are angels and saints. The judge, Karen Ahn, order to jurors is unreasonable. The justification includes accommodating this judge's latest vacation. Then, the jury selection went faster than expected. Obviously a fairer and more reasonable process could have been used.
on May 27,2013 | 09:15AM
eknu wrote:
this is like bringing up a victim's sexual history at a rape trial the fix ix in he is gonna walk no matter what the video shows and i hope it doesn't hit the fan cause we all will splattered
on May 27,2013 | 03:50AM
bumba wrote:
Yeah, he's gonna walk, and rightfully so. I fell safer with elderts in the ground than on the streets. The punk provoked the wrong guy.
on May 27,2013 | 04:33AM
Mythman wrote:
Love conceal carry - and BTW, the perp prob also figured since the agent was apparently more like a white guy from the mainland hanging out in kiki, he was prob shooting off his mouth too about having a rod handy with which to dispatch the offensive racist local sob.......
on May 27,2013 | 05:08AM
Slow wrote:
A few too many word like prob and apparently.
on May 27,2013 | 06:47AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
No.. he fired a warning shot first but Eldert's was stupid and went after him anyway.
on May 27,2013 | 02:27PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
hahahahahaha
on May 27,2013 | 02:26PM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
If Eldert had a propensity toward violence, as evidenced by his earlier arrest, this information should be available to the jury. Past behavior is an indicator of future behavior.
on May 27,2013 | 04:29AM
Slow wrote:
So LittleEarl, ever made a mistake? I, maybe like you, have had moments of nobility and of shame. Those high and low episodes were not indicators of future behavior. 70-80 young people acted rowdy outside of Kailua's seedy Boardriders Club back in 2008 including 20 year od Elderts. And every one of them was and still is a punk who deserves to be shot, right? You are pretty quick to pass judgement, buddy.
on May 27,2013 | 06:55AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
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on May 27,2013 | 04:59AM
Grimbold wrote:
h style is taking steroids, pumping iron to build up bulk and Train punching to challenge and beat up innocent weaker built people .
on May 27,2013 | 05:49AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Huh?
on May 27,2013 | 08:08AM
Slow wrote:
Elderts was a little guy, nicknamed Mighty Mouse in high school. Doubtful if he intimidated a trained federal security person with his huge physique.
on May 27,2013 | 08:43PM
Mythman wrote:
surprisingly good story as to the facts. I wonder if Judge Ahn would allow testimony about the pervasiveness of "Kill A Hol i day" in our excellent public school system and how the perp was brainwashed by this local social custom?
on May 27,2013 | 05:06AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
That is a myth, mythman. To date, no students killed on anyday. That only happens on the mainland. Dats y u live Hawaii, no.
on May 27,2013 | 08:10AM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Not true. Clearly you are either not from Hawaii, lived a sheltered life, or just another one of the transplants. While no one was ever killed at Niu Valley Elementary there was severe head trauma inflicted back in the early 70s in a series of racist attacks...
on May 27,2013 | 08:37AM
allie wrote:
agree and what is more likely today is angry Micronesians calling for the beating of Hawaiians. Times change.
on May 27,2013 | 08:41AM
Mythman wrote:
Oh so when my kids came home from their day at one of our local schools, elementary schools, and told me about being harassed as per this BS, I made it up? It's you who is not up to date on what goes on in our wonderful state when it comes to race.....
on May 27,2013 | 03:44PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Don't sweat it - after following his/her posts, this individual is clearly either not from Hawaii, a paid blogger, or severely out of touch with reality. Notice how when I call him/her out they never respond...
on May 27,2013 | 04:48PM
Imagen wrote:
Who NanakuliBoss? Don't pay him no mind...he's the big indian guy in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest...
on May 28,2013 | 12:54PM
Imagen wrote:
Obviously NanakuliBoss is rambling off his mouth yet again. Kill Haole, Kill Japanese, Kill anything not local or Hawaiian was the way of the past at local intermediate / middle schools and then carried out to high schools. Back in the '70's some Senator (Ho I believe) brought these racial-hating days to the public's attention via an article in the papers. He said that schools such as Stevenson has these kids going around beating up other kids based on their nationality; usually the last days of school. This WAS VERY TRUE and l lived through that. I am of Japanese ancestry, lived in Manoa, went to RL Stevenson and then on to Roosevelt. I got beat-up by this girl in front of the library, on the first day of 7th grade school! I was then beat-up by my parents for fighting in school...couldn't win. The funny thing is that I made a ton of friends from Papakolea. And once you get to know them, you will find that they are some of the most loving and heartfelt peeps! Hawaiians are a funny breed; once you have their heart, you have them forever!
on May 28,2013 | 12:53PM
allie wrote:
I have never heard of such a day. Mythical?
on May 27,2013 | 08:41AM
turbolink wrote:
Amazing for someone who claims to know every detail of Hawaiian culture and history and vividly interpret it for us, that you never heard of this. What a piece of work.
on May 27,2013 | 12:01PM
Imagen wrote:
allie is a legend in her own mind...what a world that must be.
on May 28,2013 | 12:55PM
inverse wrote:
What is relevant is the eye witness testimony of every McD employee and patron who was at McD when this all went down. Throw out eyewitness account by BOTH Eldert and Deedy's friends and rely heavily on eyewitness teatimony of independent witnesses that was taken that night by HPD. See which testimony appears to fit the video. Given how the Obama and his administration jave handled the Benghazi fallout, IRS and Lois Lerner and AP/ Foxnews wiretaps signed off by Holder, dropped charges for the Black Panther voting station intimidation tactics, etc. seems Obama/ Holder/ Jarrett would have mixed feelings on the matter. It was a Caucasian shooting and killing a 'dark skinned' person, yet Deedy represented the Obama administration and the APEC meeting in Hawaii. Would seem Obama, Jarrett, & Holder have more pressing problems to deal with and would wash their hands in the Deedy case and distance themselves as far away from Deedy as possible. From a JUST standpoint, drunken Deedy showed incredibly poor judgement and should be found guilty but not first or 2nd degree murder. He needs to be fired from his job and be sent to jail but NOT for life or 20 years cause bully Elderts was high and making trouble to innocent people at McD, probably focusing his hate on Caucasians. In all probability, if Deedy and Elderts were opposite in ethnicity, the Obama admin would risk pulling strings to prevent the Federal agent from spending any hard time. However Deedy is Caucasian so they are going to influence the trial. HOWEVER the Hawaii visitors bureau, the City & State and business leaders who pushed the APEC conference to be in Hawaii dont want Deedy the fed agent to spend any hard time because of fear of antagonizing the State dept and the Caucasians from the mainland who pay money for a Hawaii vacation. In that case the City prosecutors will publicly talk tough and demand a long prison sentence, however there is incredible local pressure to subtly 'throw' the case so that Deedy walks or at worse spends only a year in jail. Don't know if the judge is in on but the ruling of Elderts prior bad acts will give a hint
on May 27,2013 | 05:12AM
serious wrote:
Transparency: everything should be on the table and let the jury weed it out. Logic says to just back away from a confrontation and/or call 911. I wonder if the McDonald employees did that when the event occurred?
on May 27,2013 | 06:12AM
allie wrote:
more crazy reasoning. There is no evidence this had anything to do with race.
on May 27,2013 | 08:42AM
buttery wrote:
Inverse, you got my attention until you brought Obama, Holder, etc. into the comment. Where are you coming from? A lot of unhappiness and hatred. You sound off like a racist and a tea party supporter. The trial will be held here, how will Deedy being caucasian help his defense? Are you saying Hawaii Penal System favors white people? Isn't Elderts part white(Hapa)? And if all of what you have stated isn't enough to stoke the flames of Hatred and Racism, you have the gall to state(not insinuate) there will be a conspiracy from the Federal, State, and City government to some how sweep this under the the proverbial rug! Obviously, you harbor a lot of negative feelings toward to the government. It strikes me as strange, you would suggest to rely only on the independent witnesses and suddenly talk only about conspiracy theories. Are you related to the Elderts family?
on May 27,2013 | 09:48AM
allie wrote:
agree..Elderts is almost entirely white. I do not think this mess was caused by race. Booze and drugs plus bad judgement were the primary cause.
on May 27,2013 | 10:32AM
inverse wrote:
I am neither unhappy nor hateful HOWEVER realize after Biush 2 , local and federal gov't no longer make decisions on what is best for the country rather what is best for their own personal political agendas and that is the sad part in all of this. In regards to race and this shooting. When Elderts close friend was first interviewed and spoke to a local news reporter the FIRST thing he said was basically that 'f n how lee' killed his friend. I am not making that up. Access video archives of the local news stations you will find it. Race WAS a factor, besides both Deedy and Elderts being high/and or drunk. I favor NEITHER Elderts or Deedy's side however will NOT try to sweep the B S Hawaii Visitors Bureau / Gov't talking point that Hawaii is some kind of magical ''melting point' with no racial problems between Hawaiians vs Asians vs Caucasian vs African American military, etc. I can cite numerous factual events regarding Waianae High and racist pictures in their yearbook, Faye Hanono rant, etc. PS Did you vote in the last mayoral election? It was clear hen Nago was completely cleared with no negative consequences that the voter suppression was sanctioned ALL because people in control wanted the rail project to continue no matter what so don't try to lecture me about 'imaginary' conspiracy theories.
on May 27,2013 | 01:35PM
Bdpapa wrote:
No matter what there is no happy ending to this story. One young life lost and another promoising career ending.
on May 27,2013 | 06:10AM
Slow wrote:
This case is a litmus test of local assumptions and prejudices. I have always understood that a person's history was not admissable evidence. My sons knew Elderts. Not an angel but also not a racist fight-picking punk. And his history is irrelevant.
on May 27,2013 | 06:44AM
false wrote:
Mahalo, Slow, for bringing the personal context to the story. We are fed so much trash about Elderts being some monster humanoid. Males are males and they posture and provoke or respond but it's all in the malehood of men. 98% of the time they are just great people. We are a reflection of the people we let into our lives. You defined Elderts by the company he kept, your sons speak well for his true disposition.
on May 27,2013 | 07:24AM
Dragonman wrote:
Sorry False, but by saying males are males and they posture and provoke or respond but its all in the malehood of men, you are condoning fighting and bullying as a right of passage. I strongly disagree with your statement. You are saying its okay for males to fight because that is what they do. You are condoning violence as okay even if its only 2% of the time.
on May 27,2013 | 08:27AM
allie wrote:
true..and Elderts is mainly white himself
on May 27,2013 | 08:43AM
2_centz wrote:
This incident is identical to the Jodi Arias incident. If Deedy is guilty of murder which the laws says he is, the attorney has to make the character of Ederts an issue for self defense. Since the police are never around when needed anyway. And it isn't the police's fault.
on May 27,2013 | 07:18AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
More like the Zimmerman Martin case. One arm dummy confronts "hooligan", because he feels superior being armed, but starts getting his arse kicked, then try to justify by shooting an unarmed person. Pathetic.
on May 27,2013 | 08:16AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
No loss.
on May 27,2013 | 07:31AM
dpinsacto wrote:
Drunk, high on cocaine, and history of violence toward police officers, this Elders seems like a model citizen. Sure wish he where alive roaming the streets at night. Mahalo Officer Deedy for taking out the trash.
on May 27,2013 | 07:36AM
scooters wrote:
His past history indicates that he had an "Agressive life style" that shows his "Big Body" attitude towards others proved to be fatal. The jury needs to hear this as it played an important role in his decision to continue to push the issue instead of backing out. Judge Ahn needs to admit Elbert's pass criminal history into the trail.
on May 27,2013 | 08:33AM
LadyNinja wrote:
Given what is stated here, my opinion is that Deedy acted in self defense. Elderts seems to have been the aggressor. We will see how it is played out in court. Good luck Mr. Deedy, you have a great attorney at your side.
on May 27,2013 | 08:38AM
Mythman wrote:
In part this is about how much we hate conceal carry and the agent had a license to conceal carry. our local thugs prefer to just beat one up or stab one, not shoot one. Hawaii runs on race, and back on the mainland, they got over all that a long time ago. This case is going to be decided on the facts and law, not what any of us have to chime in about. I do hate local punks, however, and feel glad one of them got his arse blown up instead of delivering another beating to someone weaker.......
on May 27,2013 | 03:51PM
Slow wrote:
Kolin was a little, though tough, guy, called Mighty Mouse. Who was the weaker one?
on May 27,2013 | 08:56PM
scooters wrote:
Again, why did Ebert's try to take away the Officers gun? That showed his intent to do what? Shoot the Officer? Ebert's could have walked away also but instead went for the Officer's gun which proved to be fatal for him. Dumb move on his part.
on May 27,2013 | 08:38AM
buttery wrote:
I read this a lot when a "local boy" gets into trouble--- "but he was a good boy"! As for the presence of alcohol and drugs in the deceased body being "completely irrelevant" the POLICE would use this knowledge for their defense if one of their own was in Mr. Deedy's position!
on May 27,2013 | 09:00AM
connie wrote:
True, I'm sure HPD knew of Elderts for a long time. And HPD would defend one of their own if found in the same situation as Officer Deedy.
on May 27,2013 | 03:21PM
kailua000 wrote:
yeah I hear that a lot too, and the other guy who got himself a education and a good job is always the bad guy. Eberts had opportunity, he didnt take it, he chose to be a low life pakalolo smoking punk and I know that for a fact
on May 27,2013 | 07:57PM
Slow wrote:
Smoke dakine and be prepared to die?
on May 27,2013 | 08:57PM
Heinbear wrote:
I blame whoever organized and approved that nightmare to be held in Waikiki! Armed agents with bad attitude on every corner. I was embarrassed to witness frightened tourists. Nothing says " Aloha" like having a gun pointed in your direction. An event that requires that level of security show be held in a contained area. I hope anything like that is never allowed to happen here again.
on May 27,2013 | 09:18AM
Eagle156 wrote:
One to two months for the upcoming trial is absolutely ridiculous. It is a sad commentary on our times that trials have been turned in to a circus and a feeding trough for lawyers.
on May 27,2013 | 10:34AM
aieanani wrote:
Deedy had no business bar hopping while armed with a gun.......bad combination, bad decision.....PERIOD!!
on May 27,2013 | 11:31AM
Usagi336 wrote:
'Ae. My point exactly in my posts.
on May 27,2013 | 03:35PM
lynnh wrote:
They are required, just like police, to have their firearm on them at all time. Even when off duty. The agent did us all a favor.
on May 27,2013 | 05:02PM
DeepHalfGuard wrote:
like
on May 27,2013 | 08:53PM
Usagi336 wrote:
Federal law prohibits agents from being under the influence of alcohol when carrying a concealed weapon, on duty oroff doty.
on May 27,2013 | 10:48PM
BigErn wrote:
That guy holding the sign is a punk too.
on May 27,2013 | 02:07PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Has the city prosecutor lost his mind??? he wants to exclude Eldert's criminal record, blood toxicology results and the video tape of the incident???? All of which show Eldert's was not a nice guy and probably caused his own death with his behavior. What a waste of taxpayer money to bring this case to trial, I think Deedy did a public service for Hawaii. Prosecutor Keith Kaneshiro is stupid man, he has no chance of winning this case. Eldert's was his own worse enemy and Kaneshiro is trying to withhold that info from the jury. I don't think he'll succeed, STUPID!
on May 27,2013 | 02:17PM
connie wrote:
Trial scheduled to start July 1. Lets see what gets to trial. Brook Hart be doing everything to defend his client Officer Deedy. Kaneshiro and Futa will have their hands full if this case goes to trial. And Judge Ahn be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's. Hey, sells a lot of newspapers. Long hot summer filks.
on May 27,2013 | 02:41PM
connie wrote:
folks
on May 27,2013 | 02:42PM
Maneki_Neko wrote:
Using "Victim" in the headline to describe Eldert's is prejudicial. If he was the aggressor, he wasn't a victim. If I were deedy's lawyer I would be all over the Star Ad for the use of this word.
on May 27,2013 | 03:02PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
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on May 27,2013 | 06:42PM
soundofreason wrote:
No, he's dead cause he's the drug using violator.
on May 27,2013 | 07:52PM
DeepHalfGuard wrote:
truth
on May 27,2013 | 08:54PM
lynnh wrote:
Look at all these people in here defending a "violent punk"! Suppose he wasn't shot or the agent wasn't armed at the time or wasn't there at the time. The headlines would have been "Agent assaulted" or "Agent beaten to death" or "patron assaulted or killed in Waikiki." How about further down the road when the headlines read "Man beats wife or girl friend to death." You would all be saying this person was a no good waist of flesh and why didn't someone do something about this guy earlier.
on May 27,2013 | 04:59PM
bumba wrote:
OR, imagine if the agent was Hawaiian, and not from the mainland. There would be none if this indignant hot air.
on May 27,2013 | 07:30PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you.
on May 27,2013 | 11:36PM
kailua000 wrote:
no body deserves to be shot to death...well yeah maybe some, but I hope the defense can bring in some of the japanese and chinese tourists who might be more impartial than a bunch of mokes in there late at night that will always no matter what side with the local moke. He was out partying, drinking and smoking pakalolo before he went in but the guys he was with probably wont admit it. Ill be happy to give their names to the police because one of their moms lives ext door to me told me her son was out with him before it happened
on May 27,2013 | 07:55PM
popaa wrote:
Defense tactic called "blame the victim".
on May 27,2013 | 08:30PM
Maunawiliboy wrote:
Karma?
on May 27,2013 | 08:42PM
Slow wrote:
You got it, judge. Kolin Elderts deserved to be shot for what he did that night.
on May 27,2013 | 09:02PM
Slow wrote:
Irrelevant. I heard he is dead because a federal agent shot him to death.
on May 27,2013 | 09:00PM
lft1234 wrote:
So Deedy's defense wants to introduce evidence that shows how competent law enforcement officers deal with unruly individuals without murdering them? Interesting tactic.
on May 28,2013 | 01:31AM
rayhawaii wrote:
Hart said the case shows Elderts' "aggressive and violent character" and supports the defense contention that the off-duty agent was forced to fire the shot to defend himself and others......Carrying a gun when not suppose to? Self defense training I am sure he had? Shooting someone who had no weapon? Intoxicated? No look too good to me.
on July 11,2013 | 10:10AM
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