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Video shows fight, shooting

Jurors see a recording of the altercation between a Kailua man and the federal agent who killed him

By Sarah Zoellick and Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 06:23 p.m. HST, Jul 31, 2013


The surveillance video that captured an altercation and subsequent fatal shooting at a McDonald's restaurant in Waikiki early Nov. 5, 2011, was shown Wednesday to help a Circuit Court jury decide whether U.S. State Department special agent Christopher Deedy murdered a 23-year-old Kailua man or shot him in self-defense.

The video shows Deedy and Kollin Elderts entering the Kuhio Avenue restaurant separately and Deedy later holding out his hand when he fired the first of three shots.

Both the prosecution and defense spent most of the third day of trial focused on different images from the choppy video stream to support each side's narrative about who was the aggressor.

Deedy, 29, who was here to provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference, is charged with second-degree murder and a related charge of using a gun to commit a felony.

Deedy and Elderts separately went to bars in Chinatown for First Friday festivities before their encounter at the fast-food restaurant.

Prosecutors maintain that an off-duty Deedy was driven by alcohol and inexperience when he confronted, kicked and threatened Elderts before firing his weapon.

Deedy's defense maintains that he kicked a drunken Elderts and fired his gun to ward off the Kailua man, who was punching Deedy and tried to grab his gun.

The McDonald's surveillance system has nine cameras, including at least three that recorded the counter and dining areas. It takes still images roughly a second apart, leaving the resulting video with a jerky, choppy quality.

At times, the images of the chaotic scene seemed to be subject to interpretation.

At one point, Deedy's lead attorney, Brook Hart, asked police Detective Peter Boyle whether the agent was falling backward during the altercation with Elderts.

The detective said Deedy was "moving backwards."

"I don't know if he was falling or not," the detective said.

Hart also asked Boyle whether Elderts appeared to be punching Deedy. Boyle replied that Elderts was "making an aggressive move."

City Deputy Prosecutor Janice Futa at one point focused on Deedy's friend Jessica West, who appeared to have her hand on the agent's back as he was looking toward Elderts.

Futa has maintained that West wanted the agent to leave, but that he chose not to.

The video shows both Deedy and Elderts in close proximity when the first shot was fired, but it doesn't clearly show the gun going off in Deedy's hand.

According to the video (There is a discrepancy between the time of the event and the time on the video):

» Deedy and friends Adam Gutowski and West arrived at McDonald's more than 10 minutes before Elderts and his friend Shane Medeiros walked up to the counter at 2:36 a.m.

» About four minutes later, Deedy stood next to Elderts, who was sitting at a table. Deedy moved in front of the table as he and others started scuffling, and later raised his right foot when he apparently kicked Elderts.

» At 2:42 a.m. the first shot was fired, according to the reaction of customers and employees.

» Deedy and Elderts then appeared to be "engaged in some kind of physical confrontation," according to Boyle's description of the video.

» Seconds later, Elderts grabbed at Deedy's wrist, and Elderts, according to Boyle, ended up on top of Deedy.

According to the defense, Deedy fired the third and fatal shot at that time.

The video was filed with the court last year by the defense, but Circuit Judge Karen Ahn granted a prosecution request over objections by Hart and the media to seal it until trial.

The judge ruled that the release of the video at that time might jeopardize Deedy's right to a fair trial.






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
After watching the video it is clear to me that junior G-man was the aggressor because the girl with long black hair was trying to stop junior G-man!
on July 11,2013 | 02:06AM
droid wrote:
I imagine her words to him were, “Enough! You already kicked him. McDonald’s probably called the cops! Don’t instigate more trouble.”
on July 11,2013 | 02:49AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
I imagine junior G-man's response to her was, "i'm a fed and I got a gun......we are in a third world banana republic and I can do what ever I want."
on July 11,2013 | 03:16AM
hanalei395 wrote:
(And he's probably thinking: I'm superior, and with my weapon, I'm more superior).
on July 11,2013 | 04:44AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
It appears that Deedy was not properly trained or instructed. I doubt his superior told him to carry his gun while out bar-hopping and drinking alcohol. Even if he thought he was in the wild west, he could have showed some common sense.
on July 11,2013 | 06:53AM
allie wrote:
exactly!
on July 11,2013 | 08:28AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
You can carry off duty. It's not illegal and most cops and federal agents do it. Common sense would be to not attack an agent reaching for his gun.
on July 11,2013 | 08:54AM
LKK56 wrote:
Common sense was lacking. One person is dead and Deedy has BIG attorney fees.
on July 11,2013 | 09:03AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'd much rather have big attorney fees than be dead.
on July 11,2013 | 09:16AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Common sense would be for a 3rd person (like this fool, drunk and feeling superior) to not go into a situation where he wasn't wanted and wasn't needed.
on July 11,2013 | 09:18AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
He's an agent. He's allowed to. It's within his rights just like an off-duty cop. Do you have any proof he's drunk? No. There is none. If you attack a guy carrying a gun you deserve to get shot. Hopefully it'll be a lesson to young kids in hawaii who like to fight but I seriously doubt it. It'll get twisted into the agent from the mainland was looking for trouble. Never mind the drunk local with coke in his system attacking the armed man. No lessons will be learned and Hawaii will be looked at by others as a joke of a state with corrupt leadership.
on July 11,2013 | 09:38AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Hawaii will be looked at by others as a joke" .....Kailuaraised already thinks this Jr. G-Man is doomed.
on July 11,2013 | 10:10AM
hanalei395 wrote:
A fear of Kailuarraised ..........this former Jr. G-Man malihini with a superior attitude .... winding up in Halawa
on July 11,2013 | 11:59AM
wiliki wrote:
Police should interfere if there is a chance for violence. For example, Eldert harassing the other customer. There certainly was that possibility because he even slugged Deedy. It Eldert would have left no one would have gotten hurt and that included the other customer.

Staff should have called for the bouncers when Eldert harassed the first customer. I wouldn't be surprised if Eldert had been kicked out of other bars in China Town and Waikiki that evening. He may have been looking for trouble.


on July 11,2013 | 05:29PM
RingRing wrote:
Sorry Kraised, most cops most certainly DO NOT "carry off duty." Seriously, get a clue. . .
on July 11,2013 | 10:01AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Yes they do. Every single officer and agent I know (and I know quite a few) carries a weapon off duty. How about you get a clue. I'm sorry it's frightening to learn that people carry guns to protect themselves.
on July 11,2013 | 10:08AM
etalavera wrote:
Don't tell that to HPD lol
on July 11,2013 | 10:14AM
gobows wrote:
arent they suppose to?
on July 11,2013 | 10:42AM
mongoosa wrote:
They sure do and also the investigators for the prosecutor's office and attorney generals office are amongst the gun toting bunch.
on July 11,2013 | 10:51AM
RingRing wrote:
This is to the Kraised boy below. . .: Lets clarify this before you get people thinking ANY off duty cops have guns stuck in their pants, under their shirts. NOBODY in the state of Hawaii has a concealed carry permit issued by the city or state government of Hawaii. Off duty HPD officers ARE NOT allowed to "carry" a gun on their person. They are allowed to have their gun in their car at times if they are headed to or from a duty station or if they expect that they may get called in to duty. Stop spreading false information!
on July 11,2013 | 01:21PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
But Deedy isn't HPD. He's a federal agent. Nearly every single cop carries off duty. And my friend is HPD, he carries everywhere. So something is not adding up. I know multiple HPD who carry when not on duty. They don't need a CCW permit because they're cops. Google Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. It preempts state law (Hawaii is a state). So I highly doubt what you're saying is true. HPD cannot legally say that their Officers can't carry off duty.
on July 11,2013 | 01:41PM
wiliki wrote:
They're probably limited in places to store the gun... IIRC doesn't allow officers to leave their guns in their cars and if he wanted to secure the weapon properly, he should have probably put it in the hotel safe as well as any classified documents he had and his computer.
on July 11,2013 | 05:32PM
false wrote:
What is with your fixation on him being "an agent"? Your hostility to Elderts, combined with your fanboi affection for Deedy, "agents" and cops, has made your views extremely unstable here. What evidence is there that he identified as "an agent"? And, even if he had, why is that supposed to convince a civilian that a "State Department security" employee can boss them around?

You insist "there is no evidence Deedy was drunk." What is obvious is that Deedy made it impossible to have that evidence because he refused to allow a test. Under such conditions, the lack of hard evidence is not the same as if he had been willing to submit. It just means the jury has to use their best judgment. Us guys, outside and commenting, can draw our own conclusions. You undermine your credibility when you insist we cannot conclude Deedy was probably drunk.

Despite your love of cops, "agents" and their authority, refusing to obey an "agent" from some federal agency with unclear jurisdiction does not justify getting shot. Deedy took the initiative to escalate the conflict at several points. This was no "stand your ground" situation. A drunk federal agent, provoking a fight, even when it is to protect another white guy from being verbally harassed, does NOT have the right to shoot someone.

Brook Hart is a smart attorney. But I predict a verdict of manslaughter. This kind of behavior cannot be tolerated. No Open Season on Locals. Not even if they are acting all moke.


on July 11,2013 | 11:43AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The fixation is that he was legally allowed to carry a weapon. There is no hostility. I am simply stating my opinion. If he stated he was an agent (which I'm sure he will say he did during the trial) then Elderts was in the wrong. It's a clear cut case of self defense. Deedy plead the fifth. HPD could have gotten a warrant but didn't feel that it was warranted. Why didn't they? Like I said, it's not against the law to consume and carry as long as you're not impaired. You cannot conclude that he was drunk because there is no evidence. Just making an assumption doesn't make it true. Attacking (which is clear at 30 seconds) an agent when he is reaching for a gun is grounds to get shot. Elderts deserved it. Don't attack a guy carrying. Simple as that. The sad behavior is Elderts acting like a moke. Hawaii needs to stop blindly defending locals who are in the wrong.
on July 11,2013 | 12:25PM
false wrote:
KailuaRaised, You DO have a fixation on his being "an agent." Look, if I am in a bar and testosterone is flowing, pride and machismo is in control and someone butts in and starts ordering me around, if they say they are a cop, I would take that seriously, even if I am angry. If they said they were FBI, I would definitely back down. But someone says they are a security agent for the State Department, I would likely say, "Big Whopty-doo." What authority does some security guy from State have in a civilian bar? I am not harassing the Secretary of State or some visiting foreign dignitary. To me, he's just another guy in the bar butting in.

So the mantra you have settled on, "He's an agent," does not have the self-evident power you think it should. And frankly, even if he HAD been FBI--a REAL "agent"-- I think he should have called HPD instead of injecting himself in a situation where things could easily go wrong. He is in a strange city. He does not know the lay of the land. He does not have backup at ready. The situation had already defused. Until he decided be make all "hero" on behalf of the hassled white guy. Hey, I am sympathetic to the hassled white guy. But not to the point of justifying the killing of Elderts.


on July 11,2013 | 05:04PM
wiliki wrote:
Every off duty cop feels the need to keep public order... in this situation, Deedy must have sensed right that Eldert was in a violent state and might have struck the other customer that was harassed.

And HPD does not allow police to store their guns in their car. I'm sure that a safe in the house would be considered appropriate for storage. You don't want a cop's gun stolen by criminals. However, Deedy was on-call and it would be hard to explain to his boss why he was delayed because he had to get his gun out of the hotel safe.


on July 11,2013 | 05:40PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
@False: You're missing the fact that a DSS agent is a sworn federal agent and is equivalent to FBI special agents. Like I posted elsewhere (and this comes straight from the DSS website), "Special Agents (SA) of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) are sworn federal law enforcement officers...". He has all the authority of any other federal agent and is within his grounds to interfere with Elderts. His federal agent status had all of the "self-evident" power that he needed. He's not just another person in the bar. Ignorance of his status does not mean that his status doesn't matter.
on July 11,2013 | 06:01PM
wiliki wrote:
I agree... better to carry it if you're on call. You may have to defend yourself against a terrorist.
on July 11,2013 | 05:23PM
loveneverfails wrote:
common sense Kailua? really? how bout if you are fearing for your life when you see someone reaching for a weapon? who will turn to run? who will try to stop the one reaching for their weapon? what would you do Kailua? really. easy to talk when you not the one at the end of the barrel.
on July 11,2013 | 06:54PM
false wrote:
Kailua, Based upon your strong assertion that Deedy "had a right to carry," I have done some reading online. It appears his "right to carry" while off-duty was contingent upon him NOT being "under the influence of alcohol." While you have denied he "was drunk" based upon no solid PROOF he was, are you really going to claim you doubt he was "under the influence of alcohol"? Again, if he was under the influence, he had NO LEGAL RIGHT TO CARRY at the time of the shooting.
on July 11,2013 | 08:16PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm not sure of what you're getting at now. It's clear he had a right to carry. There is no evidence he was impaired. Remember, we are talking about the trial and not court of public opinion. With the facts, he was clearly allowed to carry.
on July 11,2013 | 09:01PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Actually, you should do some more research. He has to be impaired. He can consume alcohol as long as he is not impaired. He had every legal right to carry.
on July 12,2013 | 07:23AM
aomohoa wrote:
I believe that they do carry their gun everywhere, but getting drunk and carrying it, shows exactly what can result.
on July 11,2013 | 09:06AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'll ask once again. Where is the proof Deedy was drunk?
on July 11,2013 | 09:26AM
kiragirl wrote:
He admitted he was drinking and he refused to take a blood or breath test. Why would he refuse if he wasn't drunk? He claims he wasn't allowed to make a phone call for his reason for refusing to take either test.
on July 11,2013 | 09:46AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
the dumb malihini is going down you wannabe cop.
on July 11,2013 | 10:12AM
gobows wrote:
there is no proof. one person testified, he smelled like he was drinking. where's the cameras in the bars where he visited?
on July 11,2013 | 10:44AM
wiliki wrote:
I agree... he could have been drinking soft drinks...
on July 11,2013 | 05:41PM
allie wrote:
agree. Deedy looks as silly as his immature and bad actions indicate. What an insult for Obama's State Dept. to ever send such a person here to a nothing conference to "provide security." Utter tragedy and more bad judgment by Hilarious Hillary and her goofy boss.
on July 11,2013 | 10:01AM
copperwire9 wrote:
Oh that's rich. It was Hilary's and Obama's fault? Uh-huh.
on July 11,2013 | 10:35AM
gobows wrote:
no name calling allowed.
on July 11,2013 | 10:45AM
honopic wrote:
Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 11,2013 | 11:26AM
turbolink wrote:
...from the same person who says "we love our Barack Obama" and "welcome home Mr President" every chance you can when he's on island. Do you ever worry about being taken seriously allie?
on July 11,2013 | 11:45AM
Usagi336 wrote:
First thing about the video that struck me was the size difference between the 2. Deedy is much bigger and probably thought he would have an easy time with Kollin. If a drunk guy kicked me in the chest and told me he's a Federal Agent, I don't know if I would have believed him. At one point he's just a drunk guy with a gun.
on July 11,2013 | 07:53AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Right- a good portion of this situation stems from Deedy's lack of respect of locals and the fact that he was basically in a foreign country. His superiority complex is going to cost him.
on July 11,2013 | 07:54AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The situation arises from some local who choose the wrong guy to fight. If someone told me they were carrying and an agent, I sure wouldn't attack him.
on July 11,2013 | 08:55AM
aomohoa wrote:
They were both wrong. Sad outcome.
on July 11,2013 | 09:07AM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 11,2013 | 10:02AM
papaya wrote:
Wrong. Deedy chose the wrong fight. Elderts was sitting at the table when Deedy approached him and started the altercation between the two. Deedy was overpowered, realized he was losing the fight, and shot Elderts. It became self defense only because Deedy put himself in that position.
on July 11,2013 | 10:51AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Wrong. Deedy can approach and talk to Elderts. He's a federal agent and it's within his rights. Elderts choose to attack an agent with a gun and got shot.
on July 11,2013 | 11:04AM
wiliki wrote:
It would seem to others that Eldert was a threat not only to the first customer but to anyone else in the place. But McDonald's should have called the cops to do that. In fact, they should have refused to serve him. The girls should have called their manager.
on July 11,2013 | 05:46PM
wiliki wrote:
Eldert was probably too drunk to figure this out....
on July 11,2013 | 05:43PM
Mypualani wrote:
So on the tape where did you see that Elderts went to Un drunk Deedy? Hello Deedy went to him and according to testimony asked him if he wanted to get shot in his face. Elderts was sitting down waiting for his food when the Un- drunk agent instigated a fight, even miss west his friend is seen trying to stop him.
on July 11,2013 | 06:15PM
silvangold wrote:
OR MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, our local boy had no respect to (what asome might say) a tourist.......don't only bash the haole......our local boys can get pretty cocky too....making pidgeon chest and try to intimidate other guys.
on July 11,2013 | 09:04AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Whoa, you're actually making sense. We all know local boys cannot do anything wrong.
on July 11,2013 | 07:45PM
allie wrote:
conjecture
on July 11,2013 | 10:02AM
honopic wrote:
Isn't that what you do all the time, allie? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 11,2013 | 11:27AM
Denominator wrote:
Who was Elderts beating on before Deedy?
on July 11,2013 | 12:25PM
bender wrote:
I bet Deedy went doodoo his pants when he kicked him but he didn't go down.
on July 11,2013 | 05:17AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I bet he had never executed that move wearing slippers.
on July 11,2013 | 07:45AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Maybe a lesson to some of these little UFC fanatics tempted to test their "skills" outside the dojo.. .
on July 11,2013 | 07:58AM
gobows wrote:
that is probably what you wouldve done, right?
on July 11,2013 | 11:22AM
LKK56 wrote:
No, he did not doodoo his pants? He knew all along he could just shoot that "local punk", because he was a white man from the mainland. Deedy identified himself as an agent - but did he show his badge? He drank too many beers and watch too much crime stories on TV. All Elderts want was something from McDonald's and he ran into a white boy with a gun.
on July 11,2013 | 12:52PM
Mythman wrote:
There is factually no "Junior G Man" involved in this. He has a name, use it.
on July 11,2013 | 04:37AM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL why? who you supposed to be?
on July 11,2013 | 05:38AM
false wrote:
If only. If only people would mind their own business and just blend in, but NO, they have to stand up, come over and show off. That's what it's all about.
on July 11,2013 | 05:50AM
gobows wrote:
agree
on July 11,2013 | 11:07AM
false wrote:
True very true and only some people can keep their mouths shut everything will be cool
on July 11,2013 | 02:04PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Yes, he has a name. The "wannabe" junior G-Man is Deedy, the shooter who killed an unarmed man, while out bar-hopping in Waikiki.
on July 11,2013 | 07:01AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Wrong, the shooter who shot someone attacking him after he identified himself as an agent. Anyone of HPD would have done the same.
on July 11,2013 | 08:56AM
gobows wrote:
did he identify himself as an agent, BEFORE or AFTER HE KICKED Elderts. Why would Elderts believe him after getting kicked by some haole dude?
on July 11,2013 | 11:09AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Deedy started the fight pal. Anybody kick me he gets attacked too.
on July 11,2013 | 01:22PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Hopefully you don't attack a federal agent carrying.
on July 11,2013 | 06:03PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Gee- how lucky we are to have you regulating things- thanks.
on July 11,2013 | 07:56AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Interesting to hear the testimony of the first supposed bullied customer. It actually looks like he is engaging in conversation. Don't see any "huffing" big body moves or aggressive movement. If fact it's all pau and Elderts is sitting on a table, waiting for his order when John Wayne rides in.
on July 11,2013 | 08:45AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Can now see why Judge Ahn sealed the video. It would have placed Deedy in a prejudicial position with potential jurors of the State. By the defense asking to release it would force the case to be taken out of State or jurisdiction. Smart move by the sleazy defense. Smarter counter move by Ahn.
on July 11,2013 | 09:11AM
pcman wrote:
Bottom line is whether Deedy had the authority to carry a concealed weapon in Hawaii. If he had the authority to carry a weapon off duty, then the next question is whether Deedy's life was threatened. If no, then the charge is GUILTY. Pretty cut and dried to me.
on July 11,2013 | 09:16AM
false wrote:
I doubt he "has the authority" to carry a weapon while drinking. Not from his job. If the State Department rules authorize him to carry a loaded weapon while drinking, I would be extremely surprised.
on July 11,2013 | 11:18AM
false wrote:
Nope. Bottom lone is whether he was drunk.
on July 11,2013 | 02:06PM
PCWarrior wrote:
Deedy starts the fight with the kick, gets thrown on his but and then pulls his gun like a true and rotten coward. If he didn't have his gun on him he never would of acted up. Clear case of the bad white boy Johnny Law.
on July 11,2013 | 01:12PM
MKN wrote:
There was a lot of wrong actions on both sides. Just from the video, it appears that Deedy was initially instigating the altercation (though we don't know based on the video evidence what started the altercation). However, there was a point in the altercation that Elderts could have and should have stopped charging after Deedy. That was the last few seconds of the video where Deedy appeared to order Elderts to stop while pulling something out of his back pocket (probably his gun). Elderts chose not to listen to him and kept attacking, so based on the final few seconds of the main footage, I don't think Deedy will be convicted for Murder. If he doe get convicted for killing Elderts, he may get at the most Manslaughter since there is a pretty good argument based on the video that Deedy was defending himself towards the end of the altercation as Elderts ended up being the aggressor in those last few seconds. Bottom line is this whole thing could have been avoided if cooler heads had prevailed.
on July 11,2013 | 02:41AM
Mythman wrote:
Perhaps MalamaKaAina (how unoriginal a handle) could organize a take over of the palace when the jury finds self defense, unless the judge pulls a fast one, which she is likely to do, and charges the jury with instructions that they can find him guilty of manslaughter, even though this was not tried in the case. This will be a mistake but then the angry locals will have been manipulated, once again.....
on July 11,2013 | 04:40AM
Mypualani wrote:
You forgot to mention the part where Deedy is being stopped by his friend but goes around her and charges at Elderts yeah, so Deedy could have stopped too don't yah think?
on July 11,2013 | 05:41AM
false wrote:
That's the point. When Deedy got out of his seat and went to Elderts and confronted him. Earlier Elderts was posturing with the other guy but didn't get in his space. Why did Deedy even get up. Deedy was looking for trouble. He made it and we are paying for it. He's a Federal agent and charged to behave at a higher standard. We are paying the court costs for him at this point and he didn't live up to the standard required.
on July 11,2013 | 05:54AM
Giligan wrote:
We are paying for his defense? Now I am mad!
on July 11,2013 | 06:10AM
aomohoa wrote:
We pay for the defense of a lot of criminals, your point?
on July 11,2013 | 09:10AM
allie wrote:
agree...he is must be a totally incompetent low-level security.
on July 11,2013 | 06:37AM
honopic wrote:
"he is must be" allie? Talk about totally incompetent. Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 11,2013 | 11:31AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy is a federal agent. He's allowed to confront people breaking the law and disturbing others. Elderts was clearly looking for trouble and should have backed down. Instead he choose to attack an agent with a gun and got shot.
on July 11,2013 | 08:58AM
aomohoa wrote:
Local drunk guy does not back down.
on July 11,2013 | 09:11AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Yes, and look what happened as a result.
on July 11,2013 | 09:18AM
false wrote:
Sad he got shot but lot of local boys got to be tough guys and play the macho stuff. Why?
on July 11,2013 | 02:07PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Hey badge bunny, he was DSS, not a cop. They ain't squat. They're drivers and bodyguards and if they're lucky they get to investigate passport fraud.
on July 11,2013 | 10:17AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Straight from the state department website: "Special Agents (SA) of the Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS) are sworn federal law enforcement officers..." Last I checked, that's an Officer of the law.
on July 11,2013 | 11:07AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Deedy is not allowed to carry his gun while drinking. Get a clue partner.
on July 11,2013 | 01:25PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Actually he is. He just can't be impaired (which the prosecution can't prove). Get a clue partner.
on July 11,2013 | 01:44PM
Mypualani wrote:
What law did Elderts break?
on July 11,2013 | 06:20PM
allie wrote:
A real man calms the waters and walks away. Neither "man" had any manliness to them.
on July 11,2013 | 06:36AM
aomohoa wrote:
Just alcohol.
on July 11,2013 | 09:11AM
honopic wrote:
And how exactly is it that you know how "a real man" acts? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 11,2013 | 11:32AM
soundofreason wrote:
Or the part where Elderts was already going out the door and came back?
on July 11,2013 | 07:01AM
MKN wrote:
@Mypualani: It's unclear from the video if Deedy was going after Elderts or Eldert's friend fighting Deedy's friend, but it's clear from the video that Elderts went after Deedy and tackled Deedy to the ground. The fact that Deedy was tackled to the ground leads me to believe that Deedy wasn't going after Elderts at that point because if he was, he would have saw Elderts charging him and would have been better able to brace himself for the impact. I agree that both sides should have stopped, but that's not what happened. I dunno about you, but if someone at some point states they are a federal agent and pulls a gun, you stop what you are doing. You don't go and attack the federal agent. Lots of wrong actions on both sides, but Elderts' actions ultimately caused Deedy to shoot him. Whether it's justified or not depends on the witness testimony.
on July 11,2013 | 10:44AM
allie wrote:
negligent homicide. No way Deedy should have been carrying a gun off duty and drinking. Elderts, the white guy, was no hero and was a troubled guy. But he did not deserve to be shot.
on July 11,2013 | 06:36AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Not to get off the case, but Allie, negligent homicide is only reserved for deaths that result from the negligence use of an automobile. Okay.
on July 11,2013 | 08:38AM
allie wrote:
not at all..check hawaii legal code
on July 11,2013 | 10:03AM
honopic wrote:
Why didn't you check the Hawai'i legal code before responding, allie? Probably for the same reason you never check facts, just offer opinions and expect people to believe you. Hawai'i Revised Statutes, Section 707-702.5: "(1) A person is guilty of the offense of negligent homicide in the first degree if that person causes the death of another person by THE OPERATION OF A VEHICLE in a negligent manner while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. (2) Negligent homicide in the first degree is a Class B felony." Get your facts straight before posting, allie. Better yet, Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 11,2013 | 11:38AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's perfectly legal to carry off duty. Almost every police officer or agent I know carries a gun off duty. It's also legal to consume alcohol as long as it doesn't cause impairment. Deedy did not break any laws despite the prosecution and public's crying.
on July 11,2013 | 09:07AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Hey badge bunny, Kailua and nalo boys in Halawa are licking their chops about now. Fresh WHITE meat will soon be coming their way.
on July 11,2013 | 10:20AM
gobows wrote:
nice......you and elderts are one and the same.
on July 11,2013 | 11:25AM
false wrote:
That the kind of mentality that we have with some in Hawaii. Just got to play tough guys. When you go before the court you mama tell them that you are good boys. LOL
on July 11,2013 | 02:10PM
RingRing wrote:
Cummon Kraised, knock it off already. . . Honestly, when was the last time you and one of your cop buddies walked down the street in and he had his service gun strapped to his waste over his surf shorts? LOL
on July 11,2013 | 10:21AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Almost every single cop carries off duty. You're being naive if you don't think so.
on July 11,2013 | 11:09AM
RingRing wrote:
Lets clarify this before you get people thinking ANY off duty cops have guns stuck in their pants, under their shirts. NOBODY in the state of Hawaii has a concealed carry permit issued by the city or state government of Hawaii. Off duty HPD officers ARE NOT allowed to "carry" a gun on their person. They are allowed to have their gun in their car at times if they are headed to or from a duty station or if they expect that they may get called in to duty. Stop spreading false information!
on July 11,2013 | 01:20PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
See above to my previous response. You have no clue as to what you're talking about. You don't need a CCW when you're an Officer or Agent. Federal law allows off duty officers to carry. It's not up to HPD. So it's you that needs to stop spreading information about something you know nothing about.
on July 11,2013 | 01:48PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Roger that, 10-4.
on July 11,2013 | 12:08PM
Mypualani wrote:
where's that sawhat youthink guy? the one who said that when the video is shown it would vindicate special g man Deedy, if Deedy was not under the influence of anything I don't think he would have done what was shown in the video. Elderts looks like he was talking smack to the Caucasian male and den pau...Deedy how ever decided to take it upon himself to come and restore honor to the Caucasian who got Bullied by the brown guy. What crock two under the influence one had a gun. Now it's time to spin spin spin...In this video there is no justification for taking that young mans life. Well trained my foot
on July 11,2013 | 04:30AM
Mythman wrote:
The "justification" was kill or be killed as after the two warning shots the perp was trying to either take the pistol or neutralize it. That an unejected shell was found in the chamber is key evidence of that the perp had his hand on the piece and stopped the normal ejection of the shell through backwards movement of the slide.....
on July 11,2013 | 04:42AM
bender wrote:
Kill or be killed? Are you saying Eldert's was going to kill him with his bare hands? If Deedy had not drawn his gun, then perhaps Eldert's would not have tried to take it from him, if that is what you are sayng happened.
on July 11,2013 | 05:16AM
false wrote:
First Deedy got out of his seat. Second Deedy went Elderts' table and called him out. Third Deedy kicked Elderts. Fourth Deedy pulled out his gun. How many wrongs does he have to do to get, "WRONG" on all counts?
on July 11,2013 | 05:56AM
gobows wrote:
wrong, but not guilty in the eyes of the law.
on July 11,2013 | 09:19AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Gobowl, huh?
on July 11,2013 | 09:48AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Deedy was much bigger then Elderts, older, but not wiser. So with Deedys martial arts training, federal training, how was Deedy suppose to get killed by a smaller guy?
on July 11,2013 | 12:14PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy is an agent. He can pull his gun if he feels threatened. That's what they do. Elderts should have tried not attacking an agent carrying a gun. If you tackle a Federal Agent with a gun, you'll get shot.
on July 11,2013 | 09:10AM
gobows wrote:
agree...when someone pointing a gun at you. expect a bullet to follow. Elderts thinks he's Steven Segal? no way...no can dodge the bullet.
on July 11,2013 | 09:21AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
The bunny is bouncing today.
on July 11,2013 | 10:21AM
Mypualani wrote:
Ohhh Puhleese Merry Mythmuffy oh and how original is that maybe you can go organize a clan meeting somewhere in Waianae. The Video shows what happened please don't even try. Your Boy Deedy went up to the VICTIM and initiated the first Blow even Deedy's friends was trying to stop him but no Deedy had to get him some BULLY. That special trained agent isn't nothing but two bit drunk /punk with a gun.
on July 11,2013 | 05:48AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy is an agent. He was well within all of his rights to go and tell Elderts to cut it out. He kicked Elderts when he was coming at him. Elderts choose to attack an armed agent and got shot for it. It serves him right. Hopefully it'll be a lesson to the other idiots who think fighting is a good idea.
on July 11,2013 | 09:12AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Give it up already your h**le boyfriend is going down. He drew his gun when he should of shown his badge or drawn an ASP. He escalated the incident like a typical scared white boy.
on July 11,2013 | 10:27AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
What does race have to do with it? How about don't attack a guy who's pulling a gun.
on July 11,2013 | 11:10AM
gobows wrote:
mo betta be one white boy wit a gun, dan a local wit out one in a fight. go figah...
on July 11,2013 | 11:27AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Served him right to get shot? By a drunk punk federal officer? You better rethink things partner. Nobody deserves to die like this. If Deedy didn't have a gun nothing would of ever happened. He'd be peeing his pants.
on July 11,2013 | 01:30PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Nothing can prove Deedy was drunk. However, it's easily proved Elderts was drunk and had coke in his system. If Elderts had some common sense then he'd be alive, partner.
on July 11,2013 | 06:07PM
gobows wrote:
your buddy elderts is a one bit drunk dead punk...so sorry.
on July 11,2013 | 09:22AM
lee1957 wrote:
The video showed two guys dancing.
on July 11,2013 | 11:41AM
Mypualani wrote:
What warning shot? the one that barely missed a bystander who happened to be in the McDonalds? the one that hit the corner wall ? if this guy is so trained up why did he have to get in someone's face and threaten to shoot him in the face? Then when his own friend try's to stop him he goes around, there was another bystander a US Marine trying to stop the altercation but like I said earlier, two guys got into it but one had a gun and couldn't handle. Which says to me Deedy was under the influence of something, we all know Elderts was under the influence because there is a report but Deedy refused to do the test which says What? This is a very sad story all the way around for both men and their families and friends. You must be one of Deedy's friends since you trying so hard
on July 11,2013 | 06:31AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Isn't Deedy the "perp?"
on July 11,2013 | 07:06AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Mythman wrote: "The "justification" was kill or be killed as after the two warning shots the perp was trying to either take the pistol or neutralize it. That an unejected shell was found in the chamber is key evidence of that the perp had his hand on the piece and stopped the normal ejection of the shell through backwards movement of the slide....."

Respectfully, there is no such thing as a "warning shot." Is Mr Deedy claiming he fired two "warning shots?"

A firearm is a deadly weapon and not a noise maker. I believe Mr Deedy missed twice at close range. We are fortunate as a community that those shots didn't hit innocent bystanders.

I'm no expert, but I've had semiautomatic pistols jam on the range without anyone's hand on the barrel. Sometimes guns jam. Also, anything that might keep the slide from operating smoothly could cause that... say, attempting to fire the gun while it was closely wedged between two bodies. Furthermore, Mr Eldert's fingerprints weren't found on the gun.

Most importantly, I've yet to hear anyone testify that Mr Deedy identified himself as a Federal agent. Honestly, if I was being shot at at close range by an angry drunk man, I might try to grab his gun too.


on July 11,2013 | 08:03AM
gobows wrote:
where's csi? any gun shot residue on eldert's hand?
on July 11,2013 | 09:24AM
allie wrote:
agree..guns and drink do not mix
on July 11,2013 | 06:37AM
aomohoa wrote:
No s#@t!
on July 11,2013 | 09:13AM
yhls wrote:
This was NOT a justifiable shooting. Utterly disgraceful and COWARDLY to say the least! Deedy is guilty at the very least of manslaughter. And should NEVER be allowed in any type of law enforcement position. What a coward.
on July 11,2013 | 04:38AM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you someone who has common sense and not delusional like mythmeanie.
on July 11,2013 | 05:51AM
false wrote:
He looks like Pee Wee..... what ever his name is.
on July 11,2013 | 05:57AM
Mypualani wrote:
Yikes
on July 11,2013 | 06:32AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
His name is Dee Wee.
on July 11,2013 | 08:35AM
gobows wrote:
yes, elderts lookslike he was a trouble maker growing up
on July 11,2013 | 09:25AM
Mypualani wrote:
gobows and you read like a simpleton.
on July 11,2013 | 06:26PM
allie wrote:
finally someone understands what I have been saying for a week!
on July 11,2013 | 06:38AM
silvangold wrote:
oh grow up allie
on July 11,2013 | 09:07AM
aomohoa wrote:
So you think people care about understanding you? LOL
on July 11,2013 | 09:14AM
allie wrote:
most do...
on July 11,2013 | 10:04AM
turbolink wrote:
Anyone agree? Anyone? Anyone?
on July 11,2013 | 04:42PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Easily justified. If you attack an off-duty agent or cop who has identified himself and is reaching for a gun you'll get shot. That's exactly what happened. Some local kids need to realize that you can't just attack whoever you want.
on July 11,2013 | 09:20AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
This is the type of attitude your kind brings to Hawaii, and you wonder why local kids target weaklings like you.
on July 11,2013 | 10:31AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
What are you talking about? What's my "kind"?
on July 11,2013 | 11:12AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Dumb people.
on July 11,2013 | 01:32PM
yhls wrote:
A picture, and in this case, pictures, certainly say a thousand words. Looks like Deedy, the "trained law-enforcement officer," very quickly realized, as any man does in a physical altercation, that he WAS LOSING THE FIGHT. At that point he went for his gun. Cowardly and stupid, stupid, stupid. Just pathetic. Now, they teach law enforcement officers to shoot first, even when there are other "non-lethal" ways to subdue the suspect. Look at what happened to that young soldier HPD shot to death on Kuhio Avenue when they had his car blocked in. He didn't deserve to die that way after serving our country in war. Big difference from a time when real men wore badges. Many in law enforcement are cowards at heart. No real backbone. The only difference they have from the suspects they are arresting is a badge.
on July 11,2013 | 04:50AM
kiragirl wrote:
Partially agree with you as that soldier probably had mental problems from the military. Sad. Law enforcement will do what must be done to protect the public but reports were that his car was blocked so could not move. Yep, Deedy looked like he wanted to show off his authority and it didn't go well with Eldert. Then the altercation and Deedy was losing so drew his weapon. Both of them have an attitude problem and cannot back down. Wonder what the McDonald's employees statements are.
on July 11,2013 | 05:47AM
false wrote:
Many are not psychologically fit for the responsibility and get caught up with the power of the badge.
on July 11,2013 | 05:58AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
There is no evidence that Deedy was "trained" only that he was armed and believed he was the new sheriff in town.
on July 11,2013 | 06:59AM
WEATHER wrote:
Strange that you would counter with "no evidence" and then proceed to give your own personal opinioin as evidence.
on July 11,2013 | 08:04AM
lee1957 wrote:
There is no evidence that Deedy believed he was the new sheriff in town, you are jumping to conclusions.
on July 11,2013 | 11:45AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Don't fight an agent or cop and you won't get shot. It's pretty simple.
on July 11,2013 | 09:43AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
All "Tackleberry" agents out there should pay attention to this one. It's evident that Deedy did not, and instead chose to cowardly go for his gun. It's laughable how he handled himself on the video.
on July 11,2013 | 10:39AM
gobows wrote:
hmm....yes, elderts took it like a man then?
on July 11,2013 | 10:48AM
hanabatadayz wrote:
you going pick on haole's all your life and one day you going mess with the wrong one..that's basically what happened here
on July 11,2013 | 05:28AM
hanabatadayz wrote:
if you pick on white folks all your life..one day you going mess with the wrong one..that's basically what happened here
on July 11,2013 | 05:30AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Basically" is what you're saying ... one of the "white folks" (a third person) made himself to get involved into a situation where he thought wasn't correct.
on July 11,2013 | 05:54AM
false wrote:
Elderts didn't pick on Deedy. It's not the color that gets called out, it's the behavior. Everybody here is an equal target and some people have never had the pleasure.
on July 11,2013 | 06:00AM
Slow wrote:
So, hanabatadayz, you have known Kollin all his life? He picked on white guys all his life? So he deserved to be shot? Turn your brain back on, please.
on July 11,2013 | 07:37AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
He deserved to be shot for attacking a guy reaching for his gun and identifying himself as an agent.
on July 11,2013 | 09:21AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Stop crying bunny!
on July 11,2013 | 10:40AM
gobows wrote:
nice come back....resort to name calling when you dont have smart enough response.....go back into your hole now. the sun is going down.
on July 11,2013 | 10:50AM
MakaniKai wrote:
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser – Socrates.
on July 11,2013 | 01:05PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm not crying. I've seem to hit a soft spot with you. Were you friends with Elderts?
on July 11,2013 | 11:28AM
hanabatadayz wrote:
no i don't associate myself with punks..he didn't deserve to be shot..but elderts also didn't deserve to be a punk..he messed with the wrong guy and now he's dead..lesson here is "no ack up"
on July 11,2013 | 03:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Pretty much.
on July 11,2013 | 09:21AM
Rivergrouch wrote:
so true...........local guy messed with the wrong haole.........hahahaha
on July 11,2013 | 12:13PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
if deedy threw the first punch then he is guilty..if elderts threw the first punch then deedy was defending himself and should be not found guilty
on July 11,2013 | 05:42AM
CartwrightPark wrote:
Wow Deedy appears to clearly be the aggressor. He is being restrained by the lady w/ black hair yet resists being restrained and repeatedly attempts to get at Elderts. If someone is repeatedly coming at you and strikes you, what are you to do? At that point I would attempt to defend myself. Also given the fact that Deedy was intoxicated does not help his case. Deedy couldve prevented the events of that night, but chose to impose his bravado on Elderts just because he was a govt agent w/ a firearm. Deedy is a coward who picked on the wrong guy despite attempting to size Elderts up just because he was small in stature. I hope Deedy gets some serious jail time because he clearly DID NOT think of what could happen if I go through with this altercation. Afterall he is a trained govt agent isnt he? The bully got shocked when the bullied fought back and at that point the coward decided to go "mainland" & shoot a gun. COWARD.
on July 11,2013 | 05:59AM
Mythman wrote:
Well, all of the above comments attribute to the local jury pool the vastly biased mind set that prejudges just about everything in terms of their own experiences, wishes, desires and socially acquired self interests, in which case the outcome always matches the bias - it's called the confirmation bias, google it. I'm interested in preserving the standard of due process, not what you guys think.
on July 11,2013 | 06:28AM
allie wrote:
I wish we had the audio. But bottom line is that Deedy lacked sufficient reason to stand up or to engage Elderts. These local-yokels scuffle all the time and show off. Ignore them and walk away.
on July 11,2013 | 06:40AM
silvangold wrote:
gee allie.................do you ever READ what you write before you submit? and who made you supervisor of the videos? were you actually there? and pray tell, if you know so much (to call our local boys local-yokels) that our LOCAL BOYS SCUFFLE ALL THE TIME but just SHOWING OFF? and really....although I'm local, I don't always agree that the local boys are always in the right, just like I don't believe that all the mainlanders are ALWAYS THE VICTIM either. stop trying to be local and blame the non-local........................just listen to the facts and watch the tv to see the outcome and keep your mouth closed already.
on July 11,2013 | 09:23AM
allie wrote:
I see shoving matches in Waikiki every night hon. I don't pull a gun. I just ignore the locals (not a racial term..geographical term) and walk away. Let them whistle at me. They are road kill in North Dakota. Our warriors would just laugh at them and their showing off. Weaklings all.
on July 11,2013 | 10:06AM
niceynicey wrote:
Whatever, Alice.
on July 11,2013 | 10:41AM
gobows wrote:
In ND, they're called "Red Necks"
on July 11,2013 | 10:51AM
CartwrightPark wrote:
Exactly ignore them and walk away or engage them and be ready to duke it out. Dont have hurt feelings, attempt to restore your personal pride and engage the guy, but when you feel threatened pull out your gun?
on July 12,2013 | 06:12AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
There is no evidence that Deedy had any training at all. If he had been trained, he would also have been instructed to leave his gun at home when he went out drinking and bar-hopping.
on July 11,2013 | 06:57AM
allie wrote:
yup
on July 11,2013 | 08:30AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. It's legal to carry off duty and also legal to drink while carrying as long as it doesn't cause impairment. Last I checked, I could bar hop and not be impaired.
on July 11,2013 | 09:23AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Too bad ur not on the jury, yeah! But I don't think they take wannabes, sorry h.
on July 11,2013 | 10:41AM
Mythman wrote:
Keith, your comments are often much more well informed. Research who Agent Deedy is.....
on July 11,2013 | 10:21AM
gobows wrote:
If he left his gun at home, he woulda got pounded that night by Elderts.
on July 11,2013 | 10:52AM
Mypualani wrote:
Deedy's defense is that a drunken and belligerent Elderts harassed a customer with racial slurs, instigated the deadly confrontation, tried to grab Deedy's gun and left the agent with no choice but to fire. Um this is not exactly what the tape showed, I see Elderts saying things to the young man at the counter which could read either way, as for instigating the deadly confrontation, I don't think so. So now it's time to play Let's Fill in the blanks since it is a silent video. Deedy had a choice he had a choice of calling HPD and minding his own business, Maybe he thought he was Clint Eastwood.
on July 11,2013 | 06:15AM
Shawn211 wrote:
Obviously most the 'ghetto" people writing comments base upon the usage of words. They are so un-educated and you know what part of the island they're from.
on July 11,2013 | 06:31AM
Slow wrote:
They all live in your part of town, buddy. It's called Earth and we are all locals.
on July 11,2013 | 07:40AM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL and What?
on July 11,2013 | 09:16AM
aomohoa wrote:
Are you related to allie? LOL
on July 11,2013 | 09:16AM
Slow wrote:
Ouch, aomoahoa san, that hurt. I used to respond but now skip anything with "allie."
on July 11,2013 | 12:16PM
allie wrote:
I saw you peeking at me!
on July 11,2013 | 01:42PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
"Don't take your gun to town ...." I guess this shows how dangerous it is to mix alcohol and firearms. If Deedy wa not carrying a gun, he could not have/would not have murdered anyone.
on July 11,2013 | 06:51AM
Shawn211 wrote:
Old troll Mr. Haugen...not sure what rock you been living under, but 2/3 of the people living on this island carry guns and drink 27/7. We constantly tell poeple don't drink and drive..has that stopped any of the fatal accidents we've been having....NOT. You have the crazys like "Toby" who carried a gun and shot that poor kaimuki lady...GET REAL !!!!!
on July 11,2013 | 08:01AM
allie wrote:
2/3 own guns and drink? No way
on July 11,2013 | 08:30AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"2/3 of people here, pack heat"? .......and "27/7 drink"? ......Shawn, because you're stupid, but not yet drunk, have another drink.
on July 11,2013 | 08:45AM
Mypualani wrote:
Shawn talk about un-educated LoL
on July 11,2013 | 09:47AM
Mythman wrote:
true dat........heat and drink
on July 11,2013 | 10:23AM
aomohoa wrote:
I love when people like you make up ridiculous comments and expect us to just believe it as fact. Shawn211, it just makes you look outrageous.
on July 11,2013 | 09:19AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
If Elderts had a brain and wasn't some wannabe tough moke, he wouldn't have gotten shot.
on July 11,2013 | 09:24AM
kiragirl wrote:
Your rants are getting out of control and you're not drunk. Or are you?
on July 11,2013 | 09:55AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
No he's just desperately trying to be on the defense team. Hey bunny, why don't you go to the savedeedy website and put ur money where ur mouth is.
on July 11,2013 | 10:43AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Already did. Hopefully he walks free.
on July 11,2013 | 11:14AM
Grimbold wrote:
I hope he walks free too: Costs too much of our money to keep them in jail. A labor camp would be my choice.
on July 11,2013 | 12:20PM
Mythman wrote:
Err, Keith, there is entertainment, where you quote comes from, and there is reality, two different things not mixable. Try researching Baudrillard
on July 11,2013 | 10:22AM
redassbaboon wrote:
I want a McRib !!!
on July 11,2013 | 07:13AM
MakaniKai wrote:
Sup'pa sized!!!!!!!
on July 11,2013 | 07:26AM
yhls wrote:
Because this is such an EGREGIOUS use of EXCESSIVE and UNJUSTIFIABLE FORCE, I'm compelled to "comment" again. This is for all of you reading these posts who were not "raised" in Hawaii. Meaning, you DON'T have to be born here, but if you grew up and most importantly went to school here, you would witness this scenario played out in school. Our local culture here says that if there's an altercation between men they fight with their hands, feet, elbows, etc. You might get your butt kicked, but you "live" to fight another day. Contrast that with mainland culture where boys at a very young age learn it's better to shoot than fight. That's a cowards way out. If Elderts had been 6'6" and 300 lbs., Deedy might have had a justifiable claim of self-defense. In the video, Elderts looks smaller than Deedy! He's a little guy! Deedy looks like a complete jerk putting his left hand out to block, while he reaches with his right hand to draw his weapon. Classic move when someone's about to draw a gun or knife. UNBELIEVABLE! But it's there now for all to CLEARLY see. What a disgrace and embarrassment he is to law enforcement. This is why you don't mix alcohol with guns. NEVER. Many people think a gun will save them from an altercation. It's a short-term solution to a life-changing, life-long problem, which is why Deedy's in court now and will have this follow him the rest of his life. Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who don't flinch when they see a gun. If you draw a gun, they're going to call your bluff. I think Elderts did just that. And Deedy had to "walk the talk." He pulled a gun, now what? What's the logical next step once you draw a weapon?! Um, let's see, fire it? Looks like that's what happened. As Orwell put it , " You wear a mask and your face grows to fit it."
on July 11,2013 | 07:37AM
control wrote:
One thing's for sure, McD's is going to get a huge lawsuit on their hands. They did have a security person there but she did nothing. I wonder why they even bother having "security" people there if they aren't trained to handle situations. In the building I work there was an incident, some kids were robbing the blind vendor. I told the "security" person because the kids were still in the shop stealing more. the "security" person said that it wasn't his job. I told management no sense having security if they aren't trained and don't do diddly.
on July 11,2013 | 07:39AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You can do as much as the security person. She might be making less then the cashier. Security are told not to confront or get involve in altercations. If a security manhandled you, you get hurt, guess what? You sue the employer of the security.
on July 11,2013 | 08:32AM
control wrote:
then why bother having a "security" person then. What a waste of money. At some bars and eateries I see big huge guys as bouncers and security people, I think that having someone big is a deterrent. I still think that mcd is going to be sued for this.
on July 11,2013 | 08:42AM
allie wrote:
yup...I have said this for the past week. Watch McDonald's get a security guard service soon. But it is too late for this event. Even our small pizza restaurant has a burly guard. Anyone starts to act up, he comes over and moves them out or calls HPD. No way Deedy acts up or Elderts acts up if a strong guard steps in to stop the fight. Sad that it every came to this and sadder that McDonald shares the guilt for this event.
on July 11,2013 | 08:32AM
control wrote:
for one of the few times I agree with Allie on this. In waikiki where there is a lot of drinking and partying, I'm surprised that they didn't have a trained security guard already there.
on July 11,2013 | 08:44AM
niceynicey wrote:
Whatever, Alice.
on July 11,2013 | 10:42AM
aomohoa wrote:
A security person is just for looks most of the time I swear. They have little training and barely paid above minimum wage.
on July 11,2013 | 09:21AM
allie wrote:
you have no facts to substantiate that. A burly guard here would have saved a life. Look at the video. The females behind the cash register are blamed by some for being too stunned to do anything. Well they are not apid to do anything either. I have a similar job and I am told by my Chinese boss not to do anything..just summon the guard he just hired. The guard can pull people apart and keep the peace. Look, most of the locals are about as tough as a marshmallow. They just need to be pulled apart. McDonald's will be sued by the Elderts and I hope they pay a huge settlement to that family!
on July 11,2013 | 10:11AM
Nevadan wrote:
Looks can deter bad behavior
on July 11,2013 | 05:13PM
noshortcuts wrote:
It looked like Deedy was looking for action, got thrown to the ground by the local and thought oh crap I picked a fight with the wrong guy. But it was too late already, Deedy instigated the scuffle and could only save himself with his gun. There is no way he gets self defense. Bugga going to jail.
on July 11,2013 | 08:15AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
You gotta be kidding me. This is the tape they wanted to suppress for so long. The darn think is of so poor quality its subject to all kinds of different interpretations. Hope the prosecutor has more evidence than this, because there is no way you can convict based on this tape.
on July 11,2013 | 08:32AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
30 seconds in when he's reaching for his gun and putting his hand on Elderts chest is the nail in the coffin for the prosecution. Elderts decided to attack and paid for it. There is no possible way to convict based on that.
on July 11,2013 | 09:04AM
Mythman wrote:
err, since this is a staged trial held for the purpose of pacifying the local mentality that there must be revenge for the killing of a local by a "junior G Man" from the land of the enemy, the US of A, who illegally occupies this land of aloha, this would ordinarily be true but this is as much a PR spectacle as a trial per se. This makes me very very nervous.......wish I had your confidence Kailuaraised....
on July 11,2013 | 10:26AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
His decision to escalate the force continuum beyond intermediate weapons will be his downfall.
on July 11,2013 | 10:46AM
Mypualani wrote:
What ever! Pay attention Nails that is why each side will have witnesses who were there, to testify OMG !
on July 11,2013 | 09:50AM
Peacenik wrote:
Lots of people here saying Deedy shouldn't have said anything. What if a local cop just got off duty and went to McD. and saw what he thought was a guy hassling another. Don't you think being a cop, trained to defused confrontation, he wouldn't interfered? Yes the situation may be different but, in spur of the moment, things don't always go as planned. I'm assuming that Deedy was acting as a cop, albeit drunk, hoped Eldert would back off, being notified he (Deedy) was a cop and had a gun. Maybe Deedy thought a karate kick would stop Eldert, but underestimated Elderts toughness or perhaps his drug induced impervious-ness to pain, realized he could get killed or maimed, then opt to use his gun. I'm sure we can think of previous cases where the non-local get beaten to a pulp by local toughs, and hardly the other way around. One comes to mind is the soldier who ran into 7-11 and got beaten so bad, he got brain damaged. I was a product of a public school and know the viciousness of the sub-culture of stink-eye like biff attitude. The teachers turn a blind eye to that as they are just as scared.
on July 11,2013 | 08:48AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
There's no real proof Deedy was drunk. It's hearsay. It's legal to drink as long as it doesn't cause impairment. Elderts should have listened and avoided trying to play the tough guy.
on July 11,2013 | 09:46AM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
He was drunk and you know it. All those APEC guys were taking in the sights on their off-time. You just don't know boy.
on July 11,2013 | 10:48AM
allie wrote:
Deedy is going to be fired no matter what. He was very poorly trained and an embarrassment to the State Dept. He should never have been sent out here to such a nothing conference
on July 11,2013 | 10:13AM
Nevadan wrote:
Agree. The main reason the State Department has not done anything is because any action it takes will prejudice the present criminal case. Deedy will either spend the rest of his life in prison, or lose his job, or both. The State Department will address the KeithHaugen issue.
on July 11,2013 | 05:09PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I doubt it. If he gets a NG verdict the state department will reprimand but not fire him. It's hard to fire a fed.
on July 12,2013 | 05:18AM
papaya wrote:
Deedy didn't defuse anything, he escalated it. Whatever minor prior altercation there was, it was already defused. Elderts was sitting at the table eating his food when Deedy approached trying to be unnecessary peace-keeper tough guy. Deedy should have just left it alone and walked back to his room and slept off his drinks. Then he wouldn't be here today.
on July 11,2013 | 11:09AM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 11,2013 | 01:44PM
sailfish1 wrote:
You are right. If Elderts was harassing one of the other customers and Deedy did nothing to help that other customer, Deedy would have been criticized for it. Unfortunately, Elderts was a hot head bully who doesn't listen to anybody including law officers and so he is now dead.
on July 11,2013 | 07:59PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
How anyone can watch the video and think Deedy is guilty is beyond me. Let's cover a couple issues. 1. At 30 seconds into the video you can clearly see Deedy putting his hands out and reaching in his back pocket for the gun. Elderts choose to attack. He is (or was now that he's dead) just another punk kid trying to be tough. He got what he deserved. If you want to throw punches and tackle an agent with a gun then you deserve to get shot. Any HPD Officer would have shot him too. It's another case of a dumb punk kid biting off more than he can chew. 2. There's no proof Deedy was drunk besides hearsay. Drinking while carrying is not illegal unless improvement can be proven. If HPD really thought he was drunk, they should have went and got a warrant for a forced blood draw. It seems though that they believed him and didn't do it. 3. Deedy can be the aggressor. He's a federal agent. The front kick he did in the video is a defensive tactic all law enforcement and force protection personnel use to get someone who is posturing to fight to back up. Elderts decided to attack him instead of walking away. I ran across Elderts a few times growing up and used to see him around. Just another punk kid who was looking for trouble. He was doing drugs and harassing people. He picked the wrong guy to fight with. Hopefully it's a lesson to other people who think fighting is cool and they cut it out. I know plenty of federal agents from my line of work. None of them go out looking for fights at two in the morning. I also know a lot of local kids who do go out looking to fight someone after drinking all night and doing drugs.
on July 11,2013 | 08:54AM
seeia wrote:
Because he's a federal agent doesn't give him the right to shoot any punk kid. If that's the case then we then I can shoot anybody for acting like a punk. His life was not endangered and neither was anybody that was in the video. If he was trained right as an agent then he should have known when deadly force is authorized and a gun will be used. He should have been able to use some of his training that he learned to restrain him if the kid was the aggressor which the kid doesn't seem to be in the video until the first kick was made. The agent could have simply walked away but chose to stick around which seems that he might have been drinking and his decision was impared. We all know how alcohol will make you especially if you have a gun and some authority. That alone in itself was a bad on him for being an agent.
on July 11,2013 | 09:28AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Elderts clearly attacked him after Deedy was reaching for his weapon. Once again, no proof Deedy was drunk or even impaired. HPD didn't seem to think so either and didn't note it in the reports. I can guarantee that any law enforcement officer on the planet would shoot a guy that's attacking them. Elderts should have calmed down and walked away but choose to punch and go after a guy with a gun.
on July 11,2013 | 09:33AM
papaya wrote:
I think your forgetting in this whole "altercation" that Deedy initiated it by approaching Elderts. Then, at the end, it may have become self defense for Deedy because of the position Deedy put himself in. At some point, Elderts is defending himself too.
on July 11,2013 | 11:12AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's not a crime to approach. It is a crime to attack an agent and the agent has the right to defend himself with deadly force. It doesn't matter if Elderts was mad at Deedy. That doesn't mean he can start throwing punches at an agent. Elderts was clearly not defending himself at 30 seconds in when Deedy has his hand out and is reaching for a weapon.
on July 11,2013 | 11:40AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Do you see Deedy showing his badge? No.
on July 11,2013 | 01:54PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Not always required in an altercation.
on July 11,2013 | 06:14PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
If you review the video, you will see Mr Deedy walking offer to the sitting Mr Elderts while he is eating. Prior to that, there is no situation to address. Mr Deedy further escalates the situation and strikes the first blow with what appears to be an ineffective kick.

Putting your hand out while reaching for your gun further escalates the confrontation into deadly force against a man who minutes before was sitting eating a cheeseburger with his friends.

Mr Deedy may have felt his life was in danger but only after he chose to escalate the situation from drunks eating burgers to verbal confrontation to physical confrontation to deadly force.


on July 11,2013 | 03:03PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Escalation is not the issue. He's a federal agent and can inquire into what is happening. Putting your hand a gun should tell you not to attack and fight the person. Escalation is not the issue since it is legal. Throwing a punch and attacking is not legal regardless of what the person said.
on July 11,2013 | 06:13PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: Escalation is not the issue. He's a federal agent and can inquire into what is happening.

What about kicking someone? Does being a Federal agent give you the right to go bar hopping, instigate an argument, and kick someone?

What about threatening to shoot someone you just met?

We have a ton of HPD, Federal agents as well as Navy SEALS, MPs, FBI and all sorts of law enforcement on Oahu

They tend to be very professional people and don't go bar hopping while armed and then escalate confrontations while their friends try to cool them off. THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS.

And if you look where Mr Deedy conceals his gun, it's under his shirt and behind his back. Can you tell what someone has behind his back?


on July 11,2013 | 09:43PM
gobows wrote:
1. at 30 seconds, Elderts didnt know Deedy was a agent with a gun. Doubt if Elderts would've tried to tackle a HPD officer, in UNIFORM with a gun. Elderts was being tough guy against a haole. That's all. 2. Drinking while carrying a loaded gun is against the Fed's rules. Not illegal agree.
on July 11,2013 | 09:32AM
eastsidecopper wrote:
wold like to see how the federal agents "use of force" policy is written.
on July 11,2013 | 09:49AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
"FBI special agents may use deadly force only when necessary—when the agent has a reasonable belief that the subject of such force poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the agent or another person. If feasible, a verbal warning to submit to the authority of the special agent is given prior to the use of deadly force." This is for the FBI but the state departments is similar. It seems to me that it's pretty clear the shooting was justified. If a guy is coming at you and trying to punch you in the face that constitutes imminent danger of serious physical injury.
on July 11,2013 | 10:02AM
gobows wrote:
At what point did Deedy identify himself as a federal agent?
on July 11,2013 | 10:55AM
seeia wrote:
Look at the definition of seriously physical bodily injury before you say that it was justifiable. Getting a bloody nose from a punch is not serious enough to shoot someone especially if your trained to defend yourself as a federal agent. I'm sure they trained you to protect yourself prior to using deadly force. Why was he reaching for his gun in the video in the first place when there is clearly no evidence in the video that anyones life was at stake. Reaching for your gun in trying to defuse a situation where there were no weapons visible during the altercation is just bad all together.
on July 11,2013 | 12:54PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
But it wasn't a punch. Charging at someone swinging and trying to tackle them is not the same thing as a punch especially when you're carrying a weapon.
on July 11,2013 | 01:21PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
What about kicking someone while threatening to shoot them? Do you think someone in THAT situation might fear for his life and feel the need to defend himself any way he can? Or can only law enforcement play that card?

What if you out and MacDonald's and some red eyed, beer smelling guy came over to you, gave you a piece of his mind and then kicked you? What if he told you that he had a gun and would shoot you, but never produced a badge? Would YOU fear for your life and the lives of your friends and feel the need to defend yourself. Because I think I would.


on July 11,2013 | 03:08PM
hapaguy wrote:
Right on Kalaheo1! Couldn't agree more!
on July 11,2013 | 03:34PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Actually, I would walk away if he said he was a federal agent and was reaching for his gun. It's called common sense. Law enforcement can play that card. That's what makes them law enforcement. If you want to fight someone who's carrying then be prepared to face the consequences. If someone says they're an agent and have a weapon, you'd be a fool to attack.
on July 11,2013 | 06:18PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "Actually, I would walk away if he said he was a federal agent and was reaching for his gun. "

Let me know when he announced he was a Federal agent with the State Dept and why anyone would care if the guy picking a fight at 3am in McDonalds.

The State Department is not supposed to be independently investigating drunk and disorderly suspects. If Mr Deedy was concerned, he should have called local law enforcement. Mr Deedy was so dangerous and unprofessional that he picked a fight and then escalated it beyond his ability to control it. He belongs in jail.


on July 11,2013 | 09:55PM
MakaniKai wrote:
@Kailuaraised wrote "Drinking while carrying is not illegal unless improvement can be proven" Me thinks you may have meant IMPAIRMENT vs. INPROVEMENT? Aloha.
on July 11,2013 | 01:14PM
MakaniKai wrote:
Ahhhhhh posted along ways from intended comment reply. And oops it's IMPROVEMENT with a M vs. N.
on July 11,2013 | 01:30PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Yes, impairment. Apologies.
on July 11,2013 | 01:53PM
onwardupward wrote:
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on July 11,2013 | 08:59AM
allie wrote:
yup
on July 11,2013 | 10:14AM
Nevadan wrote:
...authority and power? I doubt that he is higher than a GS-7 or GS-9.
on July 11,2013 | 05:30PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
GS and law enforcement authority are not the same thing.
on July 11,2013 | 06:19PM
50skane wrote:
If the prosecutor and judge give clear instructions to the jury when they deliberate they will almost for certain come back with a manslaughter verdict.
on July 11,2013 | 09:29AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
How so? You can clearly see Deedy reaching for his weapon when Elderts decides to punch him and go on the offensive. Pretty cut and dry self-defense case.
on July 11,2013 | 09:47AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: Really? Because I see Mr Deedy going on the offensive by reaching for a deadly weapon and Mr Elderts trying to throw a punch before the angry, drunk man gets his gun up to shoot him.
on July 11,2013 | 03:11PM
Tarball wrote:
Deedy's arrogance, and Eldert's typical local attitude, and disrespect for non-locals. . . . . . "inbred" characteristics.
on July 11,2013 | 09:36AM
Tea Valley wrote:
"The evidence never lies, people lie." - Gus Grissom, CSI. Brooke Hart showed the beginning of the video to show Elderts making some comment to the young Caucasian next to him, to establish Eldert's state of mind. The prosecution will show Deedy getting in Eldert's face, with his female companion trying to tell him to back off. The lawyer's opening statements are in direct conflict with each other. A HPD officer already testified he smelled alcohol on Deedy, but it was not mentioned that Deedy refused to get tested to establish his BAL. Everyone testifying will have their version of the events that morning, from the attorneys, Deedy's friends, Eldert's friends, the McDonald's clerks, and the security guard. I would hate to be on this jury. Even if I was truly impartial, the decision reached would never be good enough for all the people crying for Deedy's head on a platter. Whatever happens, we need to remember Kollin Eldert's cannot testify and give his account. Whatever happens, Deedy should never be allowed to carry a firearm in any state, and never work for law enforcement, not that I consider working security for the State Department law enforcement.
on July 11,2013 | 09:50AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The HPD officer has been proven to show bias and his testimony directly contradicts his police report. We don't need Elderts to testify, the video shows him attacking an armed agent and paying for it. This isn't some high school fight like so many people think. Elderts choose to attack an ARMED agent and got shot. He was well within his legal rights to do so. Tough lesson to learn for Elderts but maybe others will think twice before starting fights now.
on July 11,2013 | 10:05AM
hapaguy wrote:
Can you provide proof that his testimony contradicts his police report? That's the first I have heard of that. Sounds like another defense attorney lie to me.....
on July 11,2013 | 11:12AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
http://www.civilbeat.com/articles/2013/07/10/19487-honolulu-cop-under-fire-for-facebook-comments-about-deedy-murder-trial/
on July 11,2013 | 12:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
You should read the article closely before you post it as evidence to back up your false claims. The article says "ACCORDING TO DEFENSE ATTORNEYS". That's right , according to the lying defense attorneys who will say anything including lies to get their man off.....
on July 11,2013 | 03:11PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I'm glad you responded to that. Thank you.
on July 11,2013 | 03:48PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
They're not lying. You cannot just lie to the jury and say things like that when going over a police report.
on July 12,2013 | 07:29AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Buddy you starting to pist people off.
on July 11,2013 | 01:57PM
allie wrote:
agree but smelling alcohol on Deedy's breath is no proof of inebriation. HPD did not distinguish themselves in this investigation. Bottom line: Elderts, a white man, was no hero and acted irresponsibly. He should have walked away. His "local" shibai act for his friends is all too common out here and is a bore. Deedy, however, should have known better and should never have taken his gun to a bar. He was very poorly trained. Yes, he was sent out for a nothing duty at a nothing conference. That said, he is to blame for this tragedy more than Elderts is. Manslaughter conviction please. And as for the cheap McDonald's owner who tried to save a few dollars by not hiring trained guards to keep these events from happening, let him or her be sued by the Eldert's.
on July 11,2013 | 10:19AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Manslaughter for what? Elderts choose to attack an armed agent. Taking your gun to a bar is not a crime.
on July 11,2013 | 10:32AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
So, can I bring my gun to a bar?
on July 11,2013 | 03:49PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
If you're an officer of state or federal agencies.
on July 11,2013 | 06:29PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
If you believe that Waikiki is such a dangerous place that a trained Federal agent can't wander around and bar hop without a gun, then what about the rest of us? Shouldn't everyone in Waikiki be armed, just in case one of us chooses to confront stranger, kick him, and then escalate the situation into use of deadly force?


on July 11,2013 | 09:57PM
gobows wrote:
Not poorly trained. How can you say that? He used poor judgement is more appropriate.
on July 11,2013 | 10:58AM
kiragirl wrote:
That's even worse. At least poorly trained can be blamed on his supervisor. Poor judgement got no one else to blame but himself.
on July 11,2013 | 11:45AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Let's hear the reasoning about why people think Deedy was drunk. There is absolutely no evidence. The law allows a person to drink while carrying as long as it doesn't cause impairment. HPD saw no signs of impairment besides asking him to take a breath test. Deedy refused and was smart to do so. Any person with a brain would be smart to plead the 5th when being questioned by a police officer. It in no way proves he was legally drunk. If HPD thought he was drunk to the point of impairment, why did they not get a warrant and force a blood draw? It seems to me that would be simple and the smart thing to do if it was a huge part of the prosecution. You can go to the bars and drink one beer the whole night and not be impaired.
on July 11,2013 | 09:59AM
Mythman wrote:
Keith, research who Agent Deedy is wrt "training"...
on July 11,2013 | 10:21AM
HawaiiNoKaOi wrote:
Does anyone know if that person wearing the SECURITY jacket was a McDonald's hire?................if so, what's up with that?
on July 11,2013 | 10:50AM
gobows wrote:
yeah!....and what's she's there for?
on July 11,2013 | 11:31AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
To try to calm down drunks and to call the police when things get out of hand. She's lucky she didn't get hit by one of Deedy's wild shots.
on July 11,2013 | 03:51PM
hapaguy wrote:
@ Kailuaraised. You keep spouting the same nonsense that Deedy was allowed to carry while drinking. Here is a quote from the trial that says otherwise: "Matthew Golbus, who is in charge of the State Department's Diplomatic Security Service office in Hono­lulu, testified that the State Department Foreign Affairs Manual prohibits agents from carrying firearms while drinking or six hours prior to being armed."..
on July 11,2013 | 11:02AM
kiragirl wrote:
I think he will not believe a word you said. He is in denial that Deedy had been drinking and refused to take a BAC and that he is allowed to carry a firearm while drinking.
on July 11,2013 | 11:50AM
lee1957 wrote:
That is the State Department's policy, but the law goes as far as Kailuraised has said.
on July 11,2013 | 11:55AM
hapaguy wrote:
OK. So he violated State Dept. policy then......Deedy's still in the wrong for doing that. I just take issue with Kailuaraised's contention that it is ok for an "on-call" agent to be barhopping and drinking and packing heat at the same time.....
on July 11,2013 | 12:06PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's all legal.
on July 11,2013 | 12:54PM
hapaguy wrote:
It may not be illegal but it sure isn't pono!
on July 11,2013 | 03:15PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Yes, law and policy are two different things. I'm not in denial of Deedy drinking since his defense attorney even stated that he did consume alcohol. However, there is nothing proving impairment nor did HPD think he was impaired enough to get a warrant for a blood draw AFTER shooting someone dead.
on July 11,2013 | 12:37PM
hapaguy wrote:
If Deedy had nothing to hide and was not impaired, why did he refuse a blood alcohol test? Like you keep saying, he is a federal agent and he should do everything in his power to cooperate including submitting to a blood alcohol test!
on July 11,2013 | 03:14PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
No. If he's under investigation he should plead the 5th like every person who has any knowledge of the law. If he blew a .000001 bac, the prosecution could still claim impairment. He was within his rights to not consent and HPD choose not to pursue it.
on July 11,2013 | 06:35PM
Ulalei wrote:
Was that Aaron Hernandez in the back?
on July 11,2013 | 11:06AM
gobows wrote:
I thinks so....lol...this is funny..
on July 11,2013 | 11:31AM
Bully wrote:
Lots of witnesses and the video to boot shows that Deedy made the wrong choice by standing up to Eberts. You cannot respond to a punch with a gun. Even a cop on duty would have known that he cannot shoot Eberts. The video does not show the Deedy had no choice but to respond with deadly force. If he wasnt drunk, then he probably would not have responded with deadly force.
on July 11,2013 | 11:06AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
If someone tries to tackle you and knock you when you're armed, it warrants deadly force. Elderts could have taken the gun if Deedy didn't fire.
on July 11,2013 | 01:23PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Elderts couldn't have taken the gun if it was locked up WHERE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN during a night of bar hopping into the wee hours.

This was Waikiki not Deadwood.

If you think that Waikiki is such a dangerous place that a Federal agent can't wander around without a gun, then what about the rest of us? Shouldn't everyone in Waikiki be armed, just in case one of us chooses to confront stranger, kick him, and then escalate the situation into use of deadly force?


on July 11,2013 | 03:57PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
He was within every legal right to carry. If you want to carry then become an officer or federal agent. Elderts choose to attack while Deedy was reaching for a weapon. Tough lesson to learn. Don't try to escalate situations with Officers.
on July 11,2013 | 06:37PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "He was within every legal right to carry. If you want to carry then become an officer or federal agent. Elderts choose to attack while Deedy was reaching for a weapon. Tough lesson to learn. Don't try to escalate situations with Officers."

Mr Deedy was carrying concealed and had his gun hidden under his shirt and behind his back. Unless Mr Elderts had x-ray vision, there's no way he could have seen Mr Deedy's hand on his gun.

If instead, he had been a uniformed HPD officer, you might have a point. But Mr Deedy was reeking of alcohol and yelling threats.

Do you believe that Waikiki is such a dangerous place that a trained Federal agent can't wander around without a gun, then what about the rest of us? Shouldn't everyone in Waikiki be armed, just in case one of us chooses to confront stranger, kick him, and then escalate the situation into use of deadly force?


on July 11,2013 | 10:01PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
No it doesn't. Why are u lying?
on July 11,2013 | 06:26PM
hapaguy wrote:
@ Kailuaraised you keep posting that Elderts attacked Deedy when the video clearly shows that Deedy instigated the attack, and threw the first blow, a "thrust kick". Also, at one point it was two against one as Deedy's friend joined in to attack Elderts. Elderts was within his right to defend himself!
on July 11,2013 | 11:06AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Wrong. The key point is at 30 seconds when Deedy is reaching for his weapon and putting his hand on Elderts chest. Elderts choose to pursue and got what he deserved.
on July 11,2013 | 06:38PM
hapaguy wrote:
No the key point is that Elderts was minding his own business sitting down and Deedy was harassing him. Deedy struck the first blow. Deedy never identified himself as a Fed. Deedy started it but he couldn't finish it. Elderts was defending himself and was getting the better of Deedy. Deedy then cowardly pulled his gun and shot Elderts because he couldn't finish with his fists what his mouth started. Deedy was drunk and not cooperative with HPD. This is all Deedy's fault. When he gets convicted the boys in Halawa going take care of him. take care of him real good.....lol
on July 11,2013 | 08:57PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
The wannabee from Kailua really wanted to be a Fed but the Feds didn't want him. That's were all this is coming from.
on July 11,2013 | 11:07AM
hanalei395 wrote:
And he called Elderts a "moke". Maybe he had a problem with a "moke" ....and wants revenge.
on July 11,2013 | 11:36AM
gobows wrote:
You and Kailua should take it outside already...........but remember....no guns........
on July 11,2013 | 11:37AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Except, for courage, Kailua will need a couple of stiff drinks.
on July 11,2013 | 12:15PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm already a Fed after being in the military. So I'm not a wannabe. Sorry.
on July 11,2013 | 12:40PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
Ex-military! That says it all for me. ICE, FBI, ATF etc, are considered Feds in my book. Sorry George, you're a wannabe.
on July 11,2013 | 06:18PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I was in the military and am now in the Feds. So, sorry George, not a wannabe.
on July 11,2013 | 06:39PM
hapaguy wrote:
@ Kailuaraised you keep repeating the lie the defense put out there that Deedy identified himself as a federal agent. Our Prosecutors office in their court brief has stated that at no time did he identify himself as a federal agent. I am sure we will see testimony to that effect.
on July 11,2013 | 11:09AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Are you being serious? Do you think the prosecutors tell the truth? They spin the situation just like defense attorneys. It's their job.
on July 12,2013 | 07:31AM
inverse wrote:
For the amount of money McD's rakes in, install security cameras with high defintion streaming surveillance video and sound. These still images every one second is ridiculous. As some mentioned this started when Elderts was giving stink eye and wanted to fight Deedy's friend at the counter. Elderts was ramped up at that point for a confrontation and then Deedy got involved but that was not in the images shown in the SA story. People want to assign blame, Elderts 50% and Deedy 50%. BOTH contributed to this situation that resulted in the death of Elderts.
on July 11,2013 | 11:11AM
hapaguy wrote:
You have it all wrong. According to the Prosecutors court papers that were filed, Elderts had words with another Mcd"s patron named Michel Perrine and Deedy CHOSE to insert himself into it. It was NOT Deedy's friend Adam Gutowski. After Elderts had words with Perrine they (Elderts and Perrine) broke off and can be seen in the video seated in different areas. Deedy at that point should have just let it go as it was pau. But the video shows Deedy going over to Elderts and having words with Elderts who was seated and causing no trouble. Later you can see Deedy throw the first blow, a thrust kick, and going after Elderts. Deedy's friend then gets involved, two against one, and that's when all hell breaks loose....
on July 11,2013 | 11:43AM
gobows wrote:
That FIRST blow, will get Deedy in TROUBLE. No way he walks away free and clear. There's some consequence due on his part.
on July 11,2013 | 12:07PM
allie wrote:
ok
on July 11,2013 | 01:47PM
Tea Valley wrote:
Great. Now I heard that the HPD officer that already testified that he smelled a strong odor of alcohol on Deedy at the time of his arrest made a Facebook post that he thinks Deedy is guilty. That's going to allow the defense to invalidate and strike the officer's testimony from being used. I also heard the defense is already questioning the way some of the forensic evidence was collected.
on July 11,2013 | 11:33AM
gobows wrote:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
on July 11,2013 | 11:36AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The defense also claims that he didn't put any of that in his Police Report. Which basically means it's inadmissible if it's not in the report. Not in the report = didn't happen.
on July 11,2013 | 12:42PM
gobows wrote:
The CIRCUS = HPD, is in TOWN! Bring on the Clowns!
on July 11,2013 | 03:00PM
bodysurf_ah wrote:
You're hopeless.
on July 11,2013 | 06:25PM
808MILILANI wrote:
Why are we arguing about the video. I see at less 5-6 eyewitnesses in the video that could testify what happened, than trying to dig things up from watching a video with no audio.
on July 11,2013 | 12:05PM
gobows wrote:
THOSE 5-6 witness.....ALL get 5-6 DIFFERENT stories of what happened.
on July 11,2013 | 12:41PM
entrkn wrote:
Local punk blindside wrath gone awry...
on July 11,2013 | 12:14PM
SomebodyElse wrote:
Based on the video, Deedy continually reaches behind to check to location of his gun. He isn't even engaged and he is considering his life in danger? A police friend of mine told me if there is no weapon, he goes for his baton. If there is a knife, machete, some sort of dangerous weapon to do serious bodily harm, out comes the gun. In Deedy's case, had he no weapon he might have got a beating, or maybe Elderts would have gotten it, but chances are it ends with bloodied lips and bruised bodies. The fact that Deedy didn't get his blood tested after the shooting, and that there isn't an automatic test in an incident where someone is killed by an enforcement agent, is lame and that it be optional for enforcement agents should be fixed. This incident is sad, particularly when it was avoidable.
on July 11,2013 | 12:20PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's not optional. HPD didn't want to pursue it. All Deedy did was plead the fifth. Cops and agents are trained to go for the gun. People die from fist fights.
on July 11,2013 | 12:59PM
hapaguy wrote:
Again defense attorney lies that you are regurgitating. It was reported that Deedy refused all attempts to submit to a field sobriety test and later at the hospital to be treated for injuries, HPD requested a blood alcohol test be administered and Deedy refused that also. And I ask you again: As a federal agent shouldn't he be cooperating at all times with local law enforcement? Why the need to plead the 5th if he did nothing wrong? The answer: He knew he was drunk, he knew he started it, and he knew he killed a man in cold blood!
on July 11,2013 | 03:24PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Plead the 5th because it's you're constitutional right. HPD could have easily gotten a warrant and choose not to. They had all the time in the world to do it.
on July 11,2013 | 06:45PM
hapaguy wrote:
Again, if he did nothing wrong, why plead the fifth? You keep harping that he is a federal agent. Shouldn't he cooperate with local law enforcement?
on July 11,2013 | 08:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
You do not cooperate with anyone if you think you're being investigated. It's common sense.
on July 11,2013 | 09:09PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "You do not cooperate with anyone if you think you're being investigated. It's common sense."

Wait!

You claim to be a "Fed." I'm going to assume that you are either a mailman or a clerk in the VA. Because an REAL law enforcement would never announce that no one should