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Witness says Deedy repeatedly threatened to shoot Elderts

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 08:01 p.m. HST, Jul 17, 2013


A customer returned to the witness stand this morning and testified that he heard State Department special agent Christopher Deedy threaten several times to shoot a 23-year-old Kailua man in the face before the 2011 fatal shooting at the McDonald’s Kuhio Avenue restaurant.

Alexander Byrd testified that Deedy appeared to be drunk and mumbled twice to Kollin Elderts, “I”m going to shoot you in the face.”

Byrd said Elderts punched Deedy and after the agent stood up, Deedy repeated two more times that he was going to shoot Elderts in the face.

Deedy drew his gun and shot at Elderts, but missed, Byrd said. Byrd said the agent and Elderts started grappling with each other, but Byrd said he did not see Elderts get shot. 

Byrd, a New Jersey resident who was a Kaneohe Marine at the time of the shooting, is the first witness at the scene to testify about seeing Deedy with the gun and firing a shot.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., was here to help provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

He is charged with murdering Elderts in the early morning shooting Nov. 5, 2011 at the fast-food restaurant in Waikiki.

The prosecution is alleging Deedy was fueled by alcohol and inexperience and shot the unarmed Elderts without justification. The defense contends Deedy fired to ward off a drunken Elderts who was attacking him and grabbing at his gun.

Deedy fired three shots. The defense maintains the first two missed and the third fatally wounded Elderts in the chest.






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Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
This testimony weakens Deedy's case, making him look to be the aggressor/drunk/not thinking straight. But this doesn't mean that his self-defense claim is any less applicable.
on July 16,2013 | 01:09PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yes it does! I didn't hear the witness say " I'm a federal officer, and I'm going to shoot you in the face". This is a bonified military veteran, unbiased and not local. His word is highly critical. If no one heard any proclamation of federal officer, we are looking at murder 2 nd.
on July 16,2013 | 01:24PM
MKN wrote:
@NanakuliBoss: Hmmmm this changes things. Maybe he will get Murder 2. LOL!!! If what the witness says holds firm, yah Deedy is toast because that does show malice and intent. The video doesn't tell the whole story apparently. Still if I was Elderts, I would have called the cops. I wouldn't have rushed after the guy like that.
on July 16,2013 | 01:32PM
hunebasami wrote:
Yes call the cops and before they come he shoots you. When someone has a gun you must react or wait to get shot.
on July 16,2013 | 02:33PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Both people should've called cops, though Elderts had more of a reason to. You can't expect Deedy to trust the local police here after hearing they might side with haole and non-lower class Hawaii haters, can you?
on July 16,2013 | 02:45PM
false wrote:
Deedy violated Elderts' civil rights. This is every bit the hate crime we fear so much at the hands of the common majority. It's a mirror of the Florida case. How come no media coverage nationally for a Federal officer's trial?
on July 16,2013 | 03:01PM
Fred01 wrote:
Wow. You are dumb!
on July 16,2013 | 03:11PM
kailua000 wrote:
yeah, he is dumb. not at all like the florida case. First that was two minorities (yes zimmerman is as white as our president)...second, Trayvon was a minority not looking for trouble. Elderts is a moke and always looking for trouble after regular nights of drinking and tweeking (yes, I know some of the guys he hangs with). Elderts is an adult, not much younger than Deedy. Both of them were acting irresponsibly.
on July 16,2013 | 03:34PM
kolohepalu wrote:
No. Noncontributory insults are dumb, dummy.
on July 16,2013 | 09:12PM
hilocal wrote:
Fred01, can you make your point without a personal insult?
on July 17,2013 | 06:46AM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Can't be a hate crime when they are both Caucasian, male and straight.
on July 16,2013 | 04:24PM
false wrote:
So what got Deedy all wound up? What word? What word was told to watch out for?
on July 16,2013 | 05:48PM
hilocal wrote:
livinginhawaii, wasn't Elderts mixed Caucasian like many of our locals?
on July 17,2013 | 06:48AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Gee, look- fred and kailua think you're dumb- I'm sure that's really distressing. Missing the significance of a drunk federal officer shooting a local resident? Sooo smart, eh?
on July 16,2013 | 06:13PM
poidragon wrote:
Actually from looking at the video and hearing the testimony given so far, both parties violated each others 'civil rights' on several occasions, and while you consider it a mirror of the Zimmerman case in Florida, Hawaii does not have a 'stand your ground law' in which Agent Deedy can shield himself behind to justify his actions.
on July 16,2013 | 11:18PM
hilocal wrote:
poidragon, Special Agents aren't supposed to carry their gun when drinking, i.e., when they're off duty.
on July 17,2013 | 06:50AM
mitt_grund wrote:
They're going to love Deedy in OCCC or Halawa. They've got those hootches that they set up with blankets. It's the buddy system.

But this is beginning to sound like the Trayvon Martin case, except here there were witnesses, lots of 'em, and under the bright fluorescent lights of Mickey Dee, too. Doesn't sound like Deedy would have cared if Eldert walked away. He said he was going to shoot him in the face, but target meister that he is, he missed Eldert's face. Did they also charge him with terroristic threatening? Sounds like he was so under the influence and so full of hate against Elderts for thrashing him, that even if Elderts had walked away, he probably would have gotten it in the back. Sounds like a poor excuse for a Secret Service agent. More like an SS gestapo type. Another bad recruitment job by a federal agency/contractor.


on July 16,2013 | 07:09PM
false wrote:
Finally, someone else is awake here.
on July 16,2013 | 07:17PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Exactly. Well said.
on July 16,2013 | 08:56PM
allie wrote:
agree...Deedy is guilty of manslaughter. What an inept, egomaniac. He had no right to draw a gun at all and really had nor reason to interfere. Elderts,a white man, was the typical boasting, blustering local clown. But he should just have been ignored. I do that all the time to clownish men pushing and playing around.
on July 16,2013 | 02:59PM
dylanh724 wrote:
He tried to grab a special agent's gun .... what do you expect to happen?
on July 16,2013 | 05:07PM
false wrote:
Expect a professional to act according to the title. Expect to fight for life when a gun is pointed in my direction.
on July 16,2013 | 05:50PM
RandyC73 wrote:
EXACTLY!
on July 16,2013 | 09:51PM
hilocal wrote:
dylanh724, that's what Deedy claims. Why was Deedy carrying his gun when he was on personal time and drinking too much, when it is against his employer's policy?
on July 17,2013 | 06:55AM
kailua000 wrote:
funny thing, "not local" and testifying when so many people have posted about the 'evil' mainland people. One guy said mainland people have no Aloha..I remembered this after reading about the Kailua man charged with raping a minor. After a local man stabbed his wife. After a local man killed a teacher. None of this is in the same category or has anything to do with this case It has to do with showing some of us locals that people in hawaii are no different than people in the mainland. There are good and bad everywhere.
on July 16,2013 | 03:31PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you Kailua000. Good and bad comes in all ethnic backgrounds.
on July 16,2013 | 03:45PM
allie wrote:
true
on July 16,2013 | 03:54PM
pakeheat wrote:
It is true, however, but what makes up the most ethnic groups in prison or have been arrested numerous times?
on July 16,2013 | 08:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
why that would be Kanaka"s
on July 16,2013 | 11:01PM
Slow wrote:
Why that would also be completely irrelevant. With your line of thinking, the USA which imprisons a higher percentage of our citizens than anyplace else, must be must have the worst people on the planet. Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate
on July 17,2013 | 12:25PM
kolohepalu wrote:
The more relevant (and intellectually difficult) question to ask is "why?" Are certain ethnic groups more prone to crime and failure straight out of the womb? Or are there other factors- like generations of discrimination and poverty and lack of education- that are the root cause? We can ask ourselves the hard questions and try to work towards solving them, or take the right-wing/intellectually lazy approach: take statistics at face value and judge entire ethnic groups by them.
on July 17,2013 | 01:48PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Being part of the lower class here is the biggest contributor!
on July 17,2013 | 02:35PM
Mypualani wrote:
Koloepalu Mahalo.
on July 23,2013 | 07:55PM
lee1957 wrote:
The prosecution contends Deedy was drunk, we know Elderts was drunk and high. Luckily, no one else in the restaurant was impaired that evening so the testimony will be tight.
on July 16,2013 | 05:57PM
tiki886 wrote:
At 2:45am the likelihood that anyone going to McDonald's has to be drunk, even the witness.
on July 16,2013 | 07:04PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Hard to say, this can cut both ways. Jury could determine that Deedy warned Elderts and shot him only after Elderts decked Deedy and the two started the grapple. I still think this trial can go either way. Stay tuned!
on July 16,2013 | 03:57PM
Mypualani wrote:
Warned or threaten? That is why the witnesses are testifying. DEEDY's olemu is cooked ! proper Hawaian word for butt, okole means Anus. So anyways the video.and witness testimony just isn't adding up to what Deedy claims was his self defense. For you DEEDY cheerleaders there is a support website for him. Maybe you can go visit and read the disgusting self serving B.S. agent Deedy and friends are putting up in the site and then go donate some of your hard earned cash to his cause.
on July 16,2013 | 06:27PM
64hoo wrote:
this testimony is full of holes, the witness lied as stated later on the news this guy gave a different story when the police and fbi interviewed him after the shooting over a year ago. so I would not believe a guy who commited perjury by lying on the stand.
on July 16,2013 | 10:31PM
Mypualani wrote:
what lie would that be, you got claims sit it out. I SUPPOSE ALL the prosecutions witnesses are just liars with the video for back up. yeah keep trying NAILZ!
on July 16,2013 | 11:05PM
ROBT wrote:
If so why did the prosecution block the release of the video tapes
on July 17,2013 | 12:56AM
hapaguy wrote:
That's an easy one: they blocked the release of the tape so that later on after Deedy is found guilty the defense cannot claim they got an unfair trial because of the release of the tape...
on July 17,2013 | 01:20AM
hapaguy wrote:
That's what the defense says but they provided no proof as to what the witness said was different... they just claimed it was different....
on July 17,2013 | 01:21AM
poidragon wrote:
That's where you mistaken, as Deedy broke the rules as an agent, by bringing his gun with him, when he went out drinking with his friends; he also refused to take a breathalyzer test after the incident.
on July 16,2013 | 11:15PM
hapaguy wrote:
That's a kick in the groin to the defense that's for sure......
on July 16,2013 | 01:21PM
kiragirl wrote:
Not sure. If he identified himself as a federal agent and said he will shoot if Elderts kept going for him, then what was Deedy supposed to do?
on July 16,2013 | 01:31PM
ezridah wrote:
I guess running is not macho enough...so of course the only alternative was to shoot ...right ? He could have taken a baton or mace with him if he feared the locals here but he chose to take a gun....just having it already makes him feel invincible...
on July 16,2013 | 01:56PM
Fred01 wrote:
Maybe the "locals" should learn how to act.
on July 16,2013 | 03:12PM
Mypualani wrote:
So Fred how should us locals act?
on July 16,2013 | 04:25PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
be humble..noackup
on July 16,2013 | 05:25PM
false wrote:
That's what they teach their kids on the mainland, How to act around "cops".
on July 16,2013 | 05:52PM
Mypualani wrote:
I don't act up as for humble I can be humble when warranted, but if someone threatens me or mine, there's nothing humble about me. 911 first if can, if no can oh well it's on. Especially in my home I am not the one.
on July 16,2013 | 11:22PM
lee1957 wrote:
When someone pulls a gun and declares, "I'm going to shoot you in the face," believe them and back down.
on July 16,2013 | 06:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
And run.
on July 16,2013 | 06:28PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Have you had a gun pulled on you, by a drunk guy, in public with many bystanders? Maybe, Elderts was trying to unarm Deedy because he felt Deedy was going to shoot up the place. We will never know what was going on in Elderts mind. Possibly, "If I run, this drunk is going to shoot me in the back!" LEO's don't going around saying they are going to shoot people in the face. I would not have thought he was a federal agent. Anyone can flash a fake badge.
on July 16,2013 | 08:17PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Maybe Deedy should learn how to defend himself without a gun, if he is going to mind other people's business. Pernine testified that he did NOT feel someone had to get shot over this situation. Just like Zimmerman. You're on the neighborhood watch, but you got beaten up by a 17 year old boy. Deedy supposed to secure APEC, but cannot defend himself without a weapon. Plus, his friend warns him about "locals" not liking federal agent or haoles. The white people are the ones that poison their own minds with that thinking. He went carrying a weapon, where all of the "locals" go...Maybe, he was looking to get nuts that night.
on July 16,2013 | 05:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
It sure looks that way.
on July 16,2013 | 11:24PM
kolohepalu wrote:
You don't the way locals act? Stay on the mainland.
on July 16,2013 | 05:28PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
So are you justifying the inconsiderate and obnoxious behavior of lower classers in Hawaii?
on July 16,2013 | 06:02PM
kolohepalu wrote:
What constitutes lower class to you? Brown, poor, and pidgin speaking, probably. A lot of us come from that and understand it. If you don't and can't adapt, maybe you need to be in a demographic that is more in your comfort zone- try Texas.
on July 16,2013 | 06:30PM
Mypualani wrote:
So are you justifying the pilau arrogance and obnoxious behavior of a lowlife azzclown like mainlanders who come to Hawaii ? Specifically agent Deedy who has been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
on July 16,2013 | 06:31PM
hilocal wrote:
Ldub20_Owl316, are you justifying shooting to kill someone whose behavior is inconsiderate and obnoxious?
on July 17,2013 | 07:04AM
Mypualani wrote:
Really yeah?
on July 16,2013 | 11:25PM
kolohepalu wrote:
No. Non-locals should give proper respect in a place they are not from.
on July 16,2013 | 06:35PM
false wrote:
Truth is we all comport ourselves with alert for the other guy, even the ones who are talking crap. It's just noise. There's a lot of it around and we learn to give and take and just keep on trucking.
on July 16,2013 | 07:20PM
Mypualani wrote:
Nah no do that , denigrate and put down the host culture, lots of positive results that way.
on July 16,2013 | 11:27PM
hilocal wrote:
kolohepalu, you got it exactly right.
on July 17,2013 | 07:06AM
hunebasami wrote:
When I have a gun and someone tries to prevent me from using it you think it is alright to shoot him
on July 16,2013 | 02:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
I guess Deedy and friends should have just ate their Hamburger's and leave well enough alone. why did he HAVE to confront Shane and Kollin ? nothing was going on. until Dumb Drunk Special agent Deedy got up in Elderts face and started s**t, remember now on the tape and according to testimony Deedy's friends attacked Shane, and Deedy Kicked Elderts now for those of you saying it does not matter well it's like this it does matter, because this goes to state of mind, Deedy's state of mind. Elderts punched his face the guy went down and then Elderts turns his attention to his friend Shane whom he defends against those two hyena's then turns towards Deedy while Deedy is saying I'm going to shoot you. Could it be that Elderts was fighting for his life? remember who has the gun and who was making the threats! Deedy shots his gun narrowly missing another McDonalds customer shoots again and misses and then kills Elderts. all this because in his mento state of mind he heard the forbidden "H" WORD? there is going to be more testimony of what Elderts was saying to Perrine so let's just wait and see.
on July 16,2013 | 11:19PM
Mypualani wrote:
And what was Elderts supposes to do when some drunk loon comes to him asking if he wants to get shot.
on July 23,2013 | 07:59PM
MKN wrote:
Yup! If there's no rebuttal witness on the Defense side to counter this, Deedy is pretty much toast.
on July 16,2013 | 01:33PM
sak wrote:
Was this witness also drinking that night and may have been impaired too?
on July 16,2013 | 01:32PM
MKN wrote:
@sak: Good question. We'll find out when he's cross examined. Right now, its not looking so good for the Defense.
on July 16,2013 | 01:39PM
sloturle wrote:
chances are more than likely
on July 16,2013 | 01:39PM
kailua000 wrote:
no one in that part of waikiki at that time of night is just out for a stroll
on July 16,2013 | 03:35PM
allie wrote:
McDonald's the place for late-night drunks to hang. Why did not they have some security on duty??? Makes no sense.
on July 16,2013 | 03:00PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
they did, you can see one security guard in the video prior to the incident.
on July 16,2013 | 03:46PM
allie wrote:
Our restaurant, open late, hired a Tongan to sit at the front door. No one acts up. Even whites like Elderts.
on July 16,2013 | 03:55PM
8082062424 wrote:
blind dumb blond
on July 16,2013 | 04:49PM
allie wrote:
light brown hair here
on July 16,2013 | 05:23PM
8082062424 wrote:
well if that the case stop acting like a blond. by the way light brown hair can also be known as dirty blond
on July 16,2013 | 06:55PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mandans are considered "white Indians". It's said a Welsh prince and men had their ways with the women in 1600s. Read it on google.
on July 16,2013 | 08:05PM
hilocal wrote:
8082062424, can you make your point without a personal insult?
on July 17,2013 | 07:10AM
Kawipoo wrote:
Darwin works! One roach eliminated and a drunk trigger happy fed will go to prison.
on July 16,2013 | 01:50PM
hapaguy wrote:
That's cold brah! It's been reported that Elderts has had a couple scrapes with the law but a "roach"? really? melodramatic much?
on July 16,2013 | 01:57PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Why is it that you gotta take a biased stance with Elderts and the prosecution? You got something personal against Deedy?
on July 16,2013 | 02:04PM
8082062424 wrote:
I do not think it about something personal against Deedy.It about his actions that night.Do the crime then you got to do the time same rules for all who do some thing wrong
on July 16,2013 | 02:13PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I think this is manslaughter at most.
on July 16,2013 | 02:31PM
Mypualani wrote:
No one care what you think
on July 16,2013 | 06:33PM
Slow wrote:
You may go to your room and come back out when you learn how to behave.
on July 17,2013 | 12:51PM
hapaguy wrote:
ummm lets see: I'm keiki o ka aina. Elderts was keiki o ka aina. Our boys (HPD) investigated and arrested and our Prosecutors office have indicted and put on trial a guy that no one disputes threw the first blow (Deedy) lets use a technical term here: Deedy was the assailant, and the victim of the assault, Elderts defends himself and starts to get the better of the assailant, so the assailant pulls out his gun and shoots the victim. So yes I guess you could say im biased against Deedy.....
on July 16,2013 | 02:19PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Asserting that Elderts didn't AT ALL contribute to the fight is ignorant. I ain't siding with Deedy completely, nor am I judging Elderts harshly. This isn't a black-and-white case, but, according to your post, you believe it is.
on July 16,2013 | 02:30PM
8082062424 wrote:
what ever part Elderts playes that night he paid the price for it. So now Deedy has to pay for his part
on July 16,2013 | 03:14PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Plus, you can't just support somebody because he is a child of the aina. Lots of Hawaii-born people have committed horrific acts and were guilty. I'd say most of the lower class here are people you shouldn't support. Besides, don't take whatever the prosecution says as facts cuz they ain't facts!
on July 16,2013 | 02:38PM
false wrote:
Fact: Deedy had a gun. Fact: Girl.....friend tried to push him away and calm Deedy to prevent escalation. Fact: Deedy pursued Elderts' with the threat of the gun and with the gun. Fact: Elderts was reduced to fight for his life. Fact: Elderts lost.
on July 16,2013 | 03:06PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Fact: Elderts contributed to the scuffle.
on July 16,2013 | 03:09PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
Well put. That sizzling you hear is the sound of Deedy's goose being cooked.
on July 16,2013 | 03:13PM
hawaii_io wrote:
Ldub20....Elderts did not instigate the confrontation, its right there on the video! Elderts was "seated", when Deedy stood infront of him egging him on! Only then did Elderts stand up, and then the two began to fight. You talk about others on this forum making it a racial thing, but it appears you are too? Deedy had NO reason to shoot Elderts, not when you are a trained federal agent. His racial profiling of Elderts, and the fact that he was "Packing", were poor decisions that HE MADE!
on July 16,2013 | 04:44PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Sounds like lower class to you probably means anybody who doesn't look or talk like you do. There are a lot of us here- you should move away.
on July 16,2013 | 05:47PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yes and stay away.
on July 16,2013 | 06:40PM
Mypualani wrote:
Lower class? What's a lower class? Explain please.
on July 16,2013 | 06:37PM
hilocal wrote:
Ldub20_Owl316, wow! "most of the lower classes here are people you shouldn't support." What a terrible belief.
on July 17,2013 | 07:15AM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I'm sure Eldert's started the problem by talking sh** to the tourists waiting in line to order. Deedy started the physical confrontation though. It not illegal to be an a**hole, Deedy should have let it go.
on July 16,2013 | 02:59PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
Except that one of those tourists testified that he thought nothing of Elderts talking to him even though he was drunk.
on July 16,2013 | 03:14PM
allie wrote:
nothign more embarrassing than a white man pretending to be a tough "local." Men can be so silly!
on July 16,2013 | 03:56PM
turbolink wrote:
How about a frustrated middle age guy masquerading as a UH coed as nothing more embarrasing?
on July 16,2013 | 04:57PM
hilocal wrote:
saywhatyouthink, being an a**hole doesn't warrant being shot and killed.
on July 17,2013 | 07:19AM
kolohepalu wrote:
That is what happened. Deedy's cowardice got the best of him. Drunk and insecure- poor excuse for a "federal officer".
on July 16,2013 | 05:41PM
false wrote:
That says it all. Poor excuse for a an agent with a gun.
on July 16,2013 | 05:58PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Coked out and fighting at two in the morning. Previous convictions for DUI and assault. Sounds like a stand up citizen to me.
on July 16,2013 | 03:58PM
2NDC wrote:
It was pot, not coke. Get your facts straight buddy....
on July 16,2013 | 04:13PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
it was both
on July 16,2013 | 05:28PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
You should get your facts straight.
on July 16,2013 | 05:47PM
8082062424 wrote:
Elderts may have had a dui . But i hope this agent was drunk because if he was not he a 100 time worst of a person then Elderts. even drunk he a way worst person then Elderts was
on July 16,2013 | 05:08PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Drunk and picking fights with local people at a local establishment at two in the morning. Nice upstanding example of "federal law enforcement officer".
on July 16,2013 | 05:51PM
hilocal wrote:
Kailuaraised, does one have to be a "stand up citizen" to not get shot by a Special Agent who should not have been carrying his gun when he was out drinking?
on July 17,2013 | 07:23AM
Mypualani wrote:
Wow Lau Lau, BRAVE YEAH? behind that keyboard of yours.
on July 16,2013 | 02:35PM
thatsashame_0723 wrote:
Get plenty of that going here.
on July 16,2013 | 06:33PM
Surfer_Dude wrote:
After the Travon Martin case, I'm done trying to predict juries.
on July 16,2013 | 01:51PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
I know. Isn't it great?!
on July 16,2013 | 01:54PM
hapaguy wrote:
LOL...yeah the Zimmerman case and let's not forget OJ....
on July 16,2013 | 01:55PM
inverse wrote:
OJ might indeed be INNOCENT and the OJ jury had the CORRECT verdict. Many years later it has come out that OJ's son Jason from OJ's first wife worked as a chef and lived in the area of the murder, carried knives and had problems with the law regarding with violence/ mental issues and possibly substance abuse. He also had motive as Nicole Brown was the woman who got between his father OJ and his biological mother and for someone with mental or psychological issues, Nicole could be equated to the cause of any suffering perceived by Jason's biological mother. After the murder, OJ hired a lawyer for Jason and some other pieces of information pointing to the son. What stronger motivation would be to protect a son from a murder charge? Too bad LAPD rushed to judgement and probably planted evidence like the bloody sock or blood on the gate found many days later after the initial investigation.
on July 16,2013 | 03:12PM
allie wrote:
LAPD closed the case as OJ did it. He got out with a clever defense though. He slaughtered a woman and got away with it.
on July 16,2013 | 03:57PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
He slaughtered TWO people! That dude got away becuase he had better attorneys who play to the jury better than the prosecutors.
on July 16,2013 | 05:08PM
tiki886 wrote:
It wasn't OJ's attorney's, it was jury "nullification". It is when members of a jury disregard either the evidence presented or the instructions of the judge in order to reach a verdict based upon their own consciences. It espouses the concept that jurors should be the judges of both law and fact.
on July 16,2013 | 07:22PM
8082062424 wrote:
How would you know this? you can not have followed the case it was some 19 years ago. geeze i was like 10 which mean you were maybe 3 or 4 .unless of course your whole life a lie and your a old person
on July 16,2013 | 05:14PM
allie wrote:
it is easy to read about hon
on July 16,2013 | 05:24PM
8082062424 wrote:
If you did indeed read you would no the LAPD messed up by planting things that were not there
on July 16,2013 | 06:58PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
it's hard being a juror..maybe one day you'll become one..it's interesting to see how the lawyers battle each other..kind of funny actually
on July 16,2013 | 05:31PM
Uch808 wrote:
This piece of testimony only states Elderts was warned before it escalated further. I believe a major flaw in the prosecution's case is the fact Deedy's blood alcohol wasn't tested by HPD when he was arrested. Manslaughter is possible but if the evidence shows Elderts was the aggressor then it will show Deedy was justified in defending himself. No where does it say that being intoxicated gives up the right to defend oneself.
on July 16,2013 | 02:01PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I agree
on July 16,2013 | 02:08PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Thxs ldub20, I know you side with justice.
on July 16,2013 | 02:22PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Are you being condescending? This isn't a black-and-white case.
on July 16,2013 | 02:32PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
according to allie it is a white and white case.
on July 16,2013 | 08:45PM
IAmSane wrote:
LOL
on July 17,2013 | 12:45AM
hilocal wrote:
Ldub20, I read NanakuliBoss's comment as sarcasm.
on July 17,2013 | 07:26AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Sarcasm and condescension, what is the difference? Of course, what can you expect from a rail supporter like NanakuliBoss?
on July 17,2013 | 02:40PM
false wrote:
Justice depends on which side you're on.
on July 16,2013 | 04:44PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The witness "victim" said he didn't feel threatened by Elderts. He sat and waited for his food. Elderts sat and waited for his food. Deedy got up, went to Elderts table and started on. Marine tried to talk to Deedy. Friends gf tried too. She even tried to push him back. First physical contact, a kick by Deedy. Then a constant aggressive posturing by Deedy with the gf and marine trying to push back. Deedy had enough time to call 911. In fact that intimidated witness should have called.
on July 16,2013 | 02:12PM
hawaii_io wrote:
You're right Nanakuli! Elderts was seated, and Deedy choe to approach him and make an issue of it! Deedy was looking for an excuse to use his weapon on any local that he had been "Warned" about!
on July 16,2013 | 04:50PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
elderts should have backed down though when deedy brought out the gun instead of elderts saying shoot me..would've been a different outcome
on July 16,2013 | 05:34PM
olos73 wrote:
Agree. Maybe testing Deedy if he would shoot.
on July 16,2013 | 07:47PM
RandyC73 wrote:
Fact is Deedy esculated this whole thing by butting in and thinking is was Walker Texas Ranger!
on July 16,2013 | 10:12PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Looks like Deedy provoke this escalation to deadly force, not self defense. Elderts never made contact with Deedy. Deedy went over to Elderts table to push his weight. Deedy knowing that he was much bigger the Elderts tried to bully his way. Plus he had a gun.
on July 16,2013 | 02:21PM
HawaiiKaiGuy wrote:
I agree. It would seem that, at this point, Elderts was the one feeling threatened. Up until then, it was just a pi$$ing contest between two guys. Deedy threatened Elderts with bodily harm...or worse. To me, Elderts would be defending himself from assertions made by Deedy to "shoot him in the face". Deedy should have just minded his own business.
on July 16,2013 | 03:45PM
bleedgreen wrote:
Alcohol leads to poor judgement. Firing three shots against an unarmed person says he was unable to exercise good judgement. Luckily, none of the other patrons were shot.
on July 16,2013 | 02:35PM
tiki886 wrote:
In some States, a "warning shot" is considered attempted murder no matter if you are pointing the weapon straight up in the air.
on July 16,2013 | 07:32PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
This is not a warning. It is a threat. Big difference.
on July 16,2013 | 02:46PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Hawaii doesn't have a stand your ground law like florida. You don't have a right to shoot an unarmed assailant, even if he is an a**hole. If Eldert's had been armed, that's different. Deedy's life was never in any danger, the worse that would have happened would have been dirty lickings.
on July 16,2013 | 03:06PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Right. He couldn't take the humiliation of a public beatdown- so he pulled a gun. And this is someone who should be held to a higher standard, as a "federal agent." He demonstrated bad judgement. And he's a coward.
on July 16,2013 | 05:58PM
GooglyMoogly wrote:
Uch, "I'm going to shoot you in the face" isn't a warning. It's a threat.
on July 16,2013 | 03:16PM
magicman1433 wrote:
Sounds like Elderts was the aggressor. Unless I misread the article, it sounds like Elderts threw the first punch, not that that necessarily means the shooting was justified...
on July 16,2013 | 02:07PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Magic, unless I misread the article, the aggressor said ,"I'm going to shoot you in the face". Several times.
on July 16,2013 | 02:17PM
pgkemp wrote:
deedy will get off just like george...........
on July 16,2013 | 02:18PM
hapaguy wrote:
Yeah you misread it. No one disputes that Deedy threw the first blow (front kick) to Elderts.....
on July 16,2013 | 02:22PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Regardless, Elderts contributed to the situation.
on July 16,2013 | 02:33PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
Oh, I agree, in fact it was Eldert's who caused the problem in the first place by talking sh** to tourists. It's not illegal to be an a**hole though, it is illegal to use a deadly weapon against an unarmed man though. If Deedy wanted a fight, he should have stuck to his fists and legs. Now he's likely going to jail, maybe not murder but manslaughter.
on July 16,2013 | 03:12PM
Grimbold wrote:
Too bad we do not have forced labor camps ! I don't want to pay for all these bad citizens going to prison!
on July 16,2013 | 08:29PM
8082062424 wrote:
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22856249/day-6-eyewitness-says-deedys-friends-inflamed-situation?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campa. this give more details and is worth reading
on July 16,2013 | 03:23PM
hawaii_io wrote:
There you go again Ldub20! You must be the one on this forum with ill feelings towards Elderts? Is it possible that you too don't like "Locals". Bottom line bruddah, Deedy chose to get involved in something, that was really nothing! He got what he wanted, and that was to use his concealed weapon, while off duty mind you, to impose his authority on a local that he had heard about.
on July 16,2013 | 04:59PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Just members of the lower class here, regardless of race.
on July 16,2013 | 05:17PM
Slow wrote:
Kollin was a short guy (nicknamed Mighty Mouse by the Kailua crew), but that is no basis to say he is a lower class person.
on July 17,2013 | 12:59PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I didn't say I hated Kollin.
on July 17,2013 | 02:41PM
kolohepalu wrote:
So what? Did he contribute enough to warrant being shot by a drunk fed?
on July 16,2013 | 06:00PM
8082062424 wrote:
Seem like you have something personal against Elderts. you can not condone a agent you tax dollars pay for acted the way this one did
on July 16,2013 | 07:02PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You shouldn't look at this as a black-and-white case like you are. Neither Elderts nor Deedy made the right decisions.
on July 17,2013 | 02:42PM
magicman1433 wrote:
This article says: "Byrd said Elderts punched Deedy and after the agent stood up, Deedy repeated two more times that he was going to shoot Elderts in the face." I don't see anything about a front kick to Elderts.
on July 16,2013 | 02:39PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Take that hapaguy and anyone that asserts Elderts did nothing wrong!
on July 16,2013 | 03:33PM
8082062424 wrote:
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - An eyewitness to the fatal confrontation between Christopher Deedy and Kollin Elderts said Elderts was the calmer of the two.
on July 16,2013 | 04:54PM
2NDC wrote:
Makes you wonder what else is inaccurate/inconsistent with Byrd's testimony...... :-O
on July 16,2013 | 04:16PM
Mypualani wrote:
What's not accurate?About Elderts punching Deedy? Look at the video Elderts punched Deedy's face.he never said that's what started the altercation, this is the witnesses second day of testimony, Hello! Deedy is done. And as for the alleged victim Deedy was protecting, another witness will come forward and testify what Elderts was saying to Perrine. And guess what it's not what everyone is expecting.
on July 16,2013 | 05:02PM
olos73 wrote:
In KHON2 report today, defense brought up inconsistencies from Byrd's initial report to police and November testimony. Byrd said he's now remembering better.
on July 16,2013 | 07:57PM
olos73 wrote:
From KHON2, "Byrd claimed his memory improved over time."
on July 16,2013 | 08:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
This because you need to start from the beginning, these stories are in steps, you can find it in back issues to get the whole pix, right now the pieces are being put together by the witnesses. This is day six. And good luck.
on July 16,2013 | 06:57PM
hunebasami wrote:
I need to tell the lawyer for Deedy that I"m going to shoot him in the face and am afraid of him and that should be alright to kill him.
on July 16,2013 | 02:29PM
st1d wrote:
maybe the staff at star advertiser will see your post and you'll win your wish.
on July 16,2013 | 07:30PM
WooWoo wrote:
This is exactly like the Trayvon Martin case in the sense that everyone watching sees exactly what they want to see. I am sure that 99% of people formed their opinion of guilt or innocence on Zimmerman from the day it happened and never changed their mind as the trial played out, facts and testimony be damned. Same thing here. Some people think Elderts deserved it, some people think Deedy should go to jail for a long time (could be both, no?) but nobody is changing their mind. Confirmation bias.
on July 16,2013 | 02:32PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
Alexander Byrd testified that Deedy appeared to be drunk and mumbled twice to Kollin Elderts, “I”m going to shoot you in the face.” Byrd said Elderts punched Deedy and after the agent stood up, Deedy repeated two more times that he was going to shoot Elderts in the face. Deedy drew his gun and shot at Elderts, but missed, Byrd said. Byrd said the agent and Elderts started grappling with each other, but Byrd said he did not see Elderts get shot. Okay, if you threaten me, I will protect myself, now we have a person that says he saw Deedy shoot at Elderts, then Elderts was the defender by trying to stop Deedy from shooting anymore. The GUILT was always on Deedy. Ahhhh did the news reporter write this correctly? With this alone, Deedy is going to jail for a dang long time.
on July 16,2013 | 02:35PM
allie wrote:
Elderts, a white man, was just acting up. Ignore him as Perrine did! Geesh
on July 16,2013 | 03:01PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
I think Deedy's case went down the drain when the guy he was supposedly protecting testified that he needed no help. I could understand his reaction to Eldert's if he was protecting others from him but that doesn't appear to be the case. The witnesses don't even confirm that they heard him identify himself as a federal officer. Without that, he's just another drunk acting stupid, only this drunk is armed and willing to shoot people who fight back.
on July 16,2013 | 02:53PM
false wrote:
Businesses in Hawaii would have thrown Elderts out if he was a conflict for the establishment. They didn't call the cops so it wasn't Elderts bantering wasn't an issue. Deedy made it all up. His "friend" wired him to perform that morning. And he did as he was encouraged to do earlier in the evening which is why he chose to pull his gun out.
on July 16,2013 | 03:12PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
There's only a couple ways the defense can handle this witness now. They have to show that his testimony is unreliable (1) because he was biased and/or (2) that he couldn't have seen what he testified about. Bias will be tough to prove as this is a US Marine, non-"local", and not a friend of either side. It's possible that the video could help in showing that the witness could not have seen what happened -- IF that is the case -- but the video quality is pretty horrendous so that's a question. And of course a prior INCONSISTENT witness statement is always helpful to show the witness cannot be trusted..
on July 16,2013 | 02:55PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
What is wrong with your English?
on July 16,2013 | 03:35PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
Nothing. What's wrong with your reading comprehension?
on July 16,2013 | 04:09PM
hilocal wrote:
Ldub20, WarriorMojo's English is perfectly clear.
on July 17,2013 | 07:47AM
Slow wrote:
I wen granulate UH wit one English degree. Wuz teacha for 6 years. And, as such, dear Ld, I must advise you that WarriorMojo's English usage was flawless.
on July 17,2013 | 01:06PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
No it ain't. How is using "there's" to describe plural things flawless? The words are "there ARE". And NEVER use a combination of "there's only a couple ways" with "they have to show". Anyone who uses that combination is butchering the English language period!
on July 17,2013 | 02:44PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
What does being a US Marine have to do with anything? For all we know, the guy could have got kicked out for drugs...
on July 16,2013 | 05:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
The same that it has to do with Deedy being a special diplomatic agent. Who right now is on trial for murder 2 oh and he actually thought he was gonna skate because he claimed he had immunity from being prosecuted for what did because he didn't see what he did as a crime. He's the law protecting the innocent and fighting "ha'ole " haters everywhere. In the state of Hawaii, I guess that's what it has to do with it.
on July 16,2013 | 07:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Lol, you mean Deedy? Go cut down the marine,the cop,the prosecutor,etc.etc.lol
on July 16,2013 | 08:23PM
hilocal wrote:
Kailuaraised, being a US Marine, white I assume, and from the mainland would make him biased in Deedy's favor, but his testimony wasn't.
on July 17,2013 | 07:49AM
rayhawaii wrote:
Where's the self defense everyone Federal Agent is trained for? Just wondering?
on July 16,2013 | 02:57PM
Mypualani wrote:
There is none.
on July 16,2013 | 05:05PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The feds need to be more careful in hiring young people who are going to be allowed to carry a gun. Also, they should not be allowed to carry a gun when out drinking or bar hopping. If this young man didn't have a gun, there would have been no murder, maybe just a bloody nose, or two.
on July 16,2013 | 03:19PM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 16,2013 | 03:58PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
And you know this how? People die all the time in fist fights.
on July 16,2013 | 04:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
And they also live too.
on July 16,2013 | 05:05PM
kolohepalu wrote:
I would even go so far as to say they USUALLY live. Like almost ALWAYS.
on July 16,2013 | 06:03PM
hilocal wrote:
Kailuaraised, there are stories all the time about teens/men fist-fighting but not dying. It's newsworthy when one of them dies.
on July 17,2013 | 07:55AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Exactly right.
on July 16,2013 | 06:02PM
gobows wrote:
How much did Byrd DRINK? was he intoxicated? CAN his testimony be DISCREDITED? Stay tuned.
on July 16,2013 | 03:19PM
olos73 wrote:
KHON2 report, defense said Byrd gave inconsistencies from his initial police report and November testimony. Byrd claimed his memory improved over time.
on July 16,2013 | 08:08PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
I have a feeling this is bad reporting. You mean to tell me that Deedy repeats this stupid statement three times and Elderts says nothing? What was the whole dialogue? Or is the SA trying to make it look so one-sided as to incite the moke action here?
on July 16,2013 | 03:29PM
gobows wrote:
its the PROSECUTION SIDE right now......wait for the DEFENSE..........that's the other side........stay TUNED!
on July 16,2013 | 03:51PM
cojef wrote:
Good post, cross examination by defense and presenting their witnesses are the most crucial part of a murder cases. It can mean an acquittal or 2nd degree murder. So far, the defense has not had a chance to present present their witnesses. In the Florida case, prosecution flubbed when the lead detective who was the prosecution witness when cross-examined by th defense responded that he believed George Zimmerman story. Juror B37 in an interview leaned heavily on that statement and held steadfast with her decision and convinced the other 3 jurors who were not in accord with their side during the early deliberations.
on July 16,2013 | 04:42PM
tiki886 wrote:
And the prosecution failed to object by saying the defense is asking for speculation or opinion.
on July 16,2013 | 07:51PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Not like Zimmerman case. Totally apples oranges. If there was video and eye witnesses, zim would be skim.
on July 16,2013 | 08:26PM
Peacenik wrote:
Still like to know what Elderts actually said to Perrine besides the H word. Was he being threatening, obnoxious, comical or even friendly? Why would Deedy feel the need to chastise Elderts?. Perrine said he didn't feel threatened, but also he was drunk and didn't remember what Elderts said. You mean nobody knows? I think that's the key.
on July 16,2013 | 03:56PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well a witness will be testifying to that and it's not what people believe, I will be interesting .
on July 16,2013 | 05:07PM
hilocal wrote:
Peacenik, if Deedy was drunk but felt powerful with his concealed gun, he could have acted like a tough guy. No matter how obnoxious Elderts might have been, it didn't warrant being shot and killed. Deedy overreacted.
on July 17,2013 | 08:03AM
8082062424 wrote:
HONOLULU (HawaiiNewsNow) - An eyewitness to the fatal confrontation between Christopher Deedy and Kollin Elderts said Elderts was the calmer of the two. "He was just sitting there," Alexander Byrd said. He said Deedy was saying "drunken ramblings.". Byrd said he tried to calm the situation in the Waikiki McDonald's, but Deedy's friends Jessica West and Adam Gutowski inflamed the situation verbally and physically.
on July 16,2013 | 05:20PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
With Deedy throwing the first punch (kick) and now we're being told by an eyewitness that Deedy told Elderts, not once but three times, he was going to shoot him in the face even before Deedy fired his weapon, Deedy might as well check-in to OCCC now. It sure looks like its over for Deedy to me, unless the defense can somehow prove that the witness is not credible. If the witness's statement is found to be truthful, Deedy deserves not only to be put away for a very long time but also assigned as the person responsible for picking up all the soap that drops on the prison shower floors.
on July 16,2013 | 04:01PM
2NDC wrote:
The kick from Deedy was in response to a punch thrown by Elderts.
on July 16,2013 | 04:18PM
8082062424 wrote:
the kick came first. also it seem deedy friends were as bad as him .Byrd said he tried to calm the situation in the Waikiki McDonald's, but Deedy's friends Jessica West and Adam Gutowski inflamed the situation verbally and physically.
on July 16,2013 | 04:58PM
Mypualani wrote:
No it wasn't, where did you get that from?
on July 16,2013 | 05:08PM
Mypualani wrote:
In response to 2 ndc
on July 16,2013 | 07:08PM
engineersoldier wrote:
Deedy should have just left the joint, period. A gun has no business in the hands of someone who is drinking. And I am a combat veteran.
on July 16,2013 | 04:11PM
steveoctober wrote:
Exactly. National security was not at stake with Elderts. Unless the defense can concoct a story about how the words "Jihad!" or the like suggesting terrorist action came out of Elderts, they have no basis whatsoever for his action. Deedy should have ran out there fast, call 911, and essentially remove himself. BTW, that is the proper training he would have got at FLETC..
on July 16,2013 | 04:23PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Thank you. Anybody who has been properly trained in using firearms as a professional would say the same.
on July 16,2013 | 06:39PM
false wrote:
Based on many of these comments this community is going to need some serious healing.
on July 16,2013 | 04:46PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Well said. We have race issues in Hawaii as well.
on July 16,2013 | 05:09PM
kolohepalu wrote:
True- but there are plenty local ha'oles that blend in nicely vs plenty (maybe majority) transplants that complain because it isn't more like Orange County. It's more a local vs non-local thing, and it's complicated. There are people who move here and get the culture quickly, and plenty that have been here 20 years and still whine about "locals".
on July 16,2013 | 06:11PM
tiki886 wrote:
Is being "local" a race? Half Pocho and half German is h a o l e blood.
on July 16,2013 | 07:55PM
8082062424 wrote:
I think if deedy pay for his part of what happen it will be ok. if he get off with no jail time . be a long time before healing can even start
on July 16,2013 | 05:27PM
2NDC wrote:
Classic case of "Que es mas macho" gone bad. Only "winner" in this case is Brook Hart. Bruddah is gonna make a lot of money off of this case!
on July 16,2013 | 04:57PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
i wonder what his success rate is..cuz he must be good if he's always in high profile cases
on July 16,2013 | 05:40PM
dylanh724 wrote:
Wait, wait -- "without justification"? Who reaches for a special agent's GUN and expect not to be shot? Or brawl with a special agent without backing off? Really?
on July 16,2013 | 05:06PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Stupid people.
on July 16,2013 | 05:53PM
hilocal wrote:
dylanh724, who would believe a drunk guy's claim he's a special agent?
on July 17,2013 | 08:10AM
Mypualani wrote:
This is Byrds second day of testimony, there are those on here saying that Elderts threw the first punch, sorry the punch came after Deedy kicked Elderts, try to keep up, the witness is testifying as to the sequence of what happened. Kick, punch, grapple shots, dead. Byrd was the guy trying to break things up with Medeiros and Dumb Deedy, witness turns to order food then sees what he saw, Elderts punching Deedy's face, down goes agent idiot gets up and threatens again, I am gonna shoot you.at this point I wish that Elderts backed off or ran away maybe he still might be alive.
on July 16,2013 | 05:17PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Bottom line is NOBODY should be drinking and carrying a weapon!!! Is there training for that? Was Deedy trained to drink alcohol and operate his gun? I hope they have surveillance of him drinking. His friends better NOT lie on the stand. He paid for 9 shots, there were 3 of them...He probably had at least 3 shots and some beers. If his friends had tabs, he probably drank on their tab. Or maybe all 9 shots were his. Go research off-duty officers drinking and using their firearms. It's ridiculous and keeps happening. One agent even shot and killed his fellow agent accidently in a bar fight in the parking lot. He also injured 2 others. Another agent, fatally shot a man in the park who was doing wrong. He unloaded 13 shots on the guy...Come on...13 shots? Isn't that a little excessive? We NEED laws to be changed! Too many people are wrongfully dying by the gun.
on July 16,2013 | 05:23PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Probably is not enough for court. For all we know, he could have bought the drinks and drank none of them.
on July 16,2013 | 05:53PM
hapaguy wrote:
Kraised give it up already. Too many witnesses including HPD officers testifying that Deedy reeked of alcohol, slurred his words, etc....
on July 16,2013 | 09:14PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
There are witnesses who gave statements and later changed it. One Officer didn't even put it in his report.
on July 17,2013 | 01:49AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm interested to hear the cross examination of the testimony. Also, the case hinges on the angles of the rounds fired and how the bullet that killed Elderts entered his body. Also, it's pretty clear in the video that Deedy did not fire at Deedy before they started grappling. I wonder why they're not reporting what the defense is saying? When the trajectory comes out it'll be more clear. Was Elderts on top of Deedy when he fired? Was Deedy falling backwards? Did Deedy shoot downwards? How come none of this has come out from the prosecution? If the shots were angled down or straight through from Deedy's gun it'd be a home run case.
on July 16,2013 | 05:56PM
Peacenik wrote:
I think the ball is still in the prosecutors to prove Deedy was at fault. The defense is the second half. So far it looks bad for Deedy, I must admit. Crucial is did, Deedy state he was a police, and why he persisted in talking to Eldert.
on July 16,2013 | 06:40PM
Mypualani wrote:
Maybe you gottah wait like everybody else?
on July 16,2013 | 07:12PM
kelbells34 wrote:
In the video, it seemed as if a shot went off during the first seconds of Elderts trying to unarm Deedy. Only because a McDonalds employee covered her ears. She could have been preparing herself. So, once someone attempts to grab your gun, you can use deadly force. But, was Deedy acting responsibly in the first place?
on July 16,2013 | 07:33PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Being responsible and being guilty of second degree murder is two different things.
on July 17,2013 | 01:47AM
st1d wrote:
"Alexander Byrd testified that Deedy appeared to be drunk and mumbled twice to Kollin Elderts, “I”m going to shoot you in the face.” Byrd said Elderts punched Deedy and after the agent stood up, Deedy repeated two more times that he was going to shoot Elderts in the face."

notice byrd said: deedy "mumbled" and deedy "repeated" . . . nowhere in the testimony is byrd quoted as saying deedy "threatened."

sounds more like the star advertiser reporter editorializing to sensationalize deedy's verbal warnings to elderts by inserting "threatened" instead of "mumbled" or "repeated" . . .maybe, trying to attract national attention to his writing.


on July 16,2013 | 06:39PM
hapaguy wrote:
The definition of threat: "A statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not". I would say that telling someone three times that you are going to shoot them in the face falls into the "threat" category.....
on July 17,2013 | 01:36AM
eknu wrote:
I'm gonna shoot you in the face is this standard operating procedure for state department diplomat security is it procedure for hpd if i tell someone that i'm going straight to jail if deedy did not identify himself then elderts is fighting for his life against someone who is gonna shoot him in the face no commands of get down on the floor he shot twice if elderts did stop deedy would have shot him in the face anyway you all say the local is racist but the white agents are racist too colin paid his price now deedy must pay his but i fear the fix is in and when they let him go it hits the fan
on July 16,2013 | 06:50PM
IAmSane wrote:
That was the longest sentence ever. I gave up reading about a quarter of the way.
on July 17,2013 | 12:30AM
Kapaho wrote:
Both were drunk and both were stupid. One stupid got killed.
on July 16,2013 | 07:49PM
eknu wrote:
what if it was your son that got killed
on July 16,2013 | 08:00PM
tiki886 wrote:
The prosecution charged Deedy with 2nd degree murder which is murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation.

Manslaughter is only slightly different. It's the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought. Both come with long term sentencing.

This case should never have come to trial. I think Deedy might have pled to 2nd degree manslaughter but the prosecution got "Greedy with Deedy" by charging him with 2nd degree murder. And Deedy probably wanted 1st degree Assault. The prosecution set the bar too high for themselves which is why Deedy decided to roll the dice with a jury.


on July 16,2013 | 08:04PM
hapaguy wrote:
Ummmm....Hawaii does not have a "second degree manslaughter" statute.
on July 16,2013 | 09:01PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
uhh, so who going organize the protest march when the jury finds deedy not guilty on all charges? someone know sharpton? or jackson? how about Haunani Trask?
on July 16,2013 | 09:01PM
hapaguy wrote:
what a stupid comment....
on July 16,2013 | 09:16PM
kolohepalu wrote:
And just for the record, because it seems to be a point of confusion for several people here: local Portuguese is not "white" in the mainland sense of the word. There are plenty of light skinned people here with local culture- with nothing in common with mainland WASP "American" culture. Elderts may have been lighter colored, he certainly wasn't "white".
on July 16,2013 | 09:23PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I ain't no haole as you suspect. Google Julien Kang. You'll see that I look just like him. Anyway, did you support the lower class Paakaula family when they were beating on a military couple in front of the couple's 3-year old kid back in '07? Did you support lower-class scum Padaca, Pada, and Acasia when they tried to rob tourists but ended up killing a well-off HAWAIIAN? Why should anybody adapt and accept attitudes of lower-class mokes here when they sometimes can be hostile, violent, inconsiderate, and obnoxious? If anything, people should treat others the way Ned Nakoa did. Of course, that would take escaping the lower class.
on July 16,2013 | 11:44PM
kolohepalu wrote:
You are not understanding: it wouldn't matter if you were- we have plenty of white folks here that get and respect the culture and get along just fine. We have local knuckleheads and losers just like anywhere else. But you should be careful throwing around terms like "low class"- class got nothing to do with color or income level. And we don't subscribe to or aspire to the WASP version of "class"- that's for the mainland (or Kailua).
on July 17,2013 | 01:24PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I ain't a fan of the lower class here regardless of color. Black, white, Asian, Hawaiian, Hispanic, mixed. I'm uncomfortable around all of them because most lower-classers here not only make ALL lower class people look bad, they make Hawaii look bad.
on July 17,2013 | 02:49PM
kolohepalu wrote:
You don't get it. You won't ever be local. You should leave.
on July 17,2013 | 07:29PM
hilocal wrote:
kolohepalu, due to the Portuguese coming to Hawai'i as field workers, they are considered non-haole. Portuguese are, however, Caucasian, that is, white.
on July 17,2013 | 08:26AM
64hoo wrote:
lets see if deedy fired 3 shots and two are in the ceiling than he did what any law enforcement would do, fire two warning shots but elderts still came after him, and if there was a scuffle and the third shot killed elderts. all they have to do is look to see if there is gunpowder found on his shirt where he was shot than it would be a case of self defense. just look for the powder burns on the shirt.
on July 17,2013 | 12:52AM
hapaguy wrote:
well good job 64hoo of repeating the defense lie that Deedy fired two warning shots. The video evidence and trial testimony so far has not backed up that claim. To the contrary: Deedy pulled out his gun and tried to shoot Elderts but during the struggle 2 shots missed Elderts and the third one killed him....
on July 17,2013 | 01:42AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I don't think the defense claims warning shots.
on July 17,2013 | 01:46AM
george702 wrote:
Game. Set. Match. Game over for Mr. Deedy. A LeatherNeck heard these statements. (Let's hope he received a honorable discharge and not a Big Chicken Dinner). Lesson here is when you are under the influence of alcohol, the only thing worse than getting behind the wheel of a car is getting behind the trigger of a firearm.
on July 17,2013 | 04:00AM
hilocal wrote:
Hey, sa, I just tried to explain the difference between Portuguese and Caucasian and you didn't print it.
on July 17,2013 | 08:28AM
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