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Police officer takes witness stand in Deedy trial

By Sarah Zoellick

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LAST UPDATED: 03:19 p.m. HST, Jul 24, 2013


The jury in the Christopher Deedy murder trial today heard from another police witness who testified that the U.S. State Department special agent smelled of alcohol and appeared to be wobbly on his feet in the early morning of Nov. 5, 2011, after he fatally shot a Kailua man at a Waikiki McDonald's.

Retired Honolulu Police Sgt. Kenneth Schreiner told the Circuit Court jury that Deedy slurred his speech, seemed "semi-unsteady on his feet," and that his eyes appeared glassy.

"He didn't talk a lot; he was quiet, but when he responded it was slurry," said Schreiner, who was one of the first officers to respond to the scene. Schreiner also said Deedy's breath smelled of alcohol when he spoke.

Earlier this week, the jury also heard from a police evidence specialist and another HPD officer who both testified of smelling a strong odor of alcohol from Deedy after the fatal shooting.

Deedy, 29, is charged with murdering Kollin Elderts, 23, at the fast-food restaurant. Deedy, of Arlington, Va., was on Oahu to help provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

The prosecution alleges that Deedy was fueled by alcohol and inexperience and shot the unarmed Elderts without justification. The defense contends Deedy fired to ward off a drunken Elderts who was attacking him and grabbing at his gun.

A firearm expert took the stand after Schreiner and continued her testimony this afternoon.






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allie wrote:
It is manslaughter. Too bad McDonald;s did not pay for real security. Sorry butt hat is a necessity in Waikiki at night. It could have saved a life.
on July 18,2013 | 01:16PM
allie wrote:
The verdict should be manslaughter I believe
on July 18,2013 | 01:17PM
cojef wrote:
At least, however he is charged with 2nd degree murder. Wise for him to plea bargain and ask for a reduced sentence now. The judiciary in Hawaii are amenable to any lesser charge, rather than proceed with a lengthy court trial. Pflueger case a good example.
on July 18,2013 | 01:48PM
gobows wrote:
he'll go free. He was defending himself. The law doesnt allow cause and effect. You just decide on what happened when the gun went off. Self defense.
on July 18,2013 | 03:01PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I agree.
on July 18,2013 | 03:38PM
ethann81 wrote:
Another weakling
on July 18,2013 | 05:02PM
ryan02 wrote:
I don't think that's how it works. You cannot physicall assault someone, then when your victim fights back, shoot the victim and claim self-defense. Deedy kicked Elderts before the fisticuffs started. That kick will be Deedy's downfall. Plus, the decision to go out drinking and impair his judgment while carrying a gun. Drinking and shooting is just as dangerous as drinking and driving. The drinking plus the kick will be Deedy's downfall, and will mean major liability when the victims sue the U.S. Government (and I mean "victims" in the plural -- all the people in McDonalds at the time were put in danger by Deedy's drunk shooting)
on July 18,2013 | 03:53PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
That is actually how it works. Elderts had a chance to disengage and choose to go on the offensive and mount Deedy. Deedy was well within his rights to shoot at that point. No one will be successful in a lawsuit. Deedy was off duty. He was authorized to carry under federal law.
on July 18,2013 | 03:56PM
gobows wrote:
Agree.....Unfortuneately as it may seem. And the prosecution is trying to paint a drunk agent picture, but, none of it matters. the law is the law. Just ask Zimmerman. The juror thats going to write a book said, none of the "beginning" stuff mattered. For them, it was at the time the gun went off, is what really going to matter.
on July 18,2013 | 04:11PM
ethann81 wrote:
Wrong
on July 18,2013 | 05:03PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Where do you get your info from? The defense would have rested their case and the trial would have ended. Zimmerman wasn't drunk. He actually called 911. There was NO video of the murder and what lead up to it. The witnesses had conflicting information. Their state has a "STAND YOUR GROUND" law. Zimmerman supposedly had gotten punched and head slammed on the concrete. Zimmerman/Martin case should not be compared. Although, I'm not saying Zimmerman should have walked away a FREE man.
on July 18,2013 | 06:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
@kelbells34, where do you get your info? Stand your ground wasn't even part of Zimmerman's defense. It was purely self defense. How could the defense rest if it's still the prosecution's turn?
on July 19,2013 | 01:41AM
ethann81 wrote:
Nope, try again.
on July 18,2013 | 05:04PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Yes, and I'm pretty sure Deedy was NOT cornered. I saw a few times that he could've removed himself from the situation. I think that plays a role in claiming it was self-defense.
on July 18,2013 | 06:54PM
gobows wrote:
the former marine testified that Elderts was mounted ontop of Deedy.....then Elderts gets shot while he's in this position. nothing good was going to happen to Deedy at that point. So he fired his gun for a third time. Sounds like self defense to me. The fault of the law, is you not suppose to take into account what happened before the offense took place. You can only consider what was happening at the time the offense occurred. Which in this situation, was Elderts in an offensive position. Deedy fired in Self defense.
on July 18,2013 | 08:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
Really so why is the judge allowing all the testimony so far? Could it be that Elderts was defending himself as well? Looks like that to me especially with Deedy screaming threats " I m going to shoot your face. So you see the law is taking into account what happened thus the allowed testimony in front of the jury. The situation can go either way.
on July 18,2013 | 09:22PM
RandyC73 wrote:
Sounds like he was losing the fight that he started! I guess he had to shoot so he wouldn't get beaten up! That's why he carried a gun to back his assup! LOSER!!!!!!!
on July 18,2013 | 09:26PM
RandyC73 wrote:
You're right!
on July 18,2013 | 09:22PM
RandyC73 wrote:
You are right I agree with you!
on July 18,2013 | 09:09PM
ethann81 wrote:
Weakling
on July 18,2013 | 05:02PM
kelbells34 wrote:
If that was the case, the defense would have an open and shut case. They are ACTUALLY having a rough time. The PROSECUTER is trying to PROVE that he was inexperienced and intoxicated. If you have all these witnesses testifying that he was drunk...the jury is going to have to consider that he was probably drunk when he pulled his gun. That is NOT legal! He broke laws and is NOT manning up to his actions. He should've plead guilty, but he wants to try and GET AWAY WITH MURDER!!!
on July 18,2013 | 06:38PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you. These people are inserting their SUBJECTIVE view of what napped that night. So am I but by going to the evidence thus far, it looks like Elderts was defending himself, even the Marine stated that he barely got away with his life when the first shot was fired during the fight.
on July 18,2013 | 09:25PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It doesn't matter if it's legal. He's charged with murder not drinking and use of a firearm. I don't think you know how the court system works. The defense can't rest until the prosecution is finished.
on July 19,2013 | 01:43AM
Mypualani wrote:
I do know how it works.
on August 20,2013 | 01:27AM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 18,2013 | 03:11PM
honopic wrote:
Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 18,2013 | 10:34PM
kamoae wrote:
Manslaughter? No, it's murder. Looks like he meant to do what he did.
on July 18,2013 | 03:14PM
false wrote:
Power of suggestion played out. Deedy should have stayed home if he was afraid of some sense of what it's like to be in the minority. We all live in hierarchy but some people have no experience with being disparaged based on color. It's a lesson. Deedy was way too arrogant to be carrying a gun.
on July 18,2013 | 03:29PM
kainalu wrote:
Exactly. The seed was planted. He was told by another that there's a bias against visitors of a certain ethnicity. Deedy was packing his firearm due to that insinuation. There could be enough premeditation that goes with that. Otherwise, he violated the department code when he packed his firearm and drank alcohol at the same time.
on July 18,2013 | 04:24PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's not against to law to carry if you fear the area you'll be in. That doesn't mean anything. Neither does his department policy.
on July 18,2013 | 04:42PM
ethann81 wrote:
Weakling mentality
on July 18,2013 | 05:05PM
Nevadan wrote:
Kailuad = wiliki
on July 18,2013 | 08:30PM
gobows wrote:
Nice peeps....we into name calling now?....that is WEAK!!...is that ALL U GOT??
on July 18,2013 | 08:39PM
RandyC73 wrote:
O STOP IT! YOU KNOW HE WAS WRONG!
on July 18,2013 | 09:28PM
Mypualani wrote:
Also Hawaii state laws, that is why he is also charged with a felony besides murder 2
on July 18,2013 | 09:27PM
honopic wrote:
You believe? Do you have a clue how many people don't care what you believe? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 18,2013 | 10:33PM
Mypualani wrote:
I think maybe manslaughter also , but then again there is still more testimony and the defense has not presented yet, so maybe I am wrong on this. The defense is bringing up inaccurate reporting though nothing really outstanding yet. But to me just enough to say hmmm !
on July 18,2013 | 01:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
Sorry the defense is bringing up inaccuracies in the prosecutions side.
on July 18,2013 | 04:47PM
Mypualani wrote:
This trial is far from over, I think I may have read somewhere that there will be about a hundred witnesses called for this trial. That is a lot .
on July 18,2013 | 01:51PM
2NDC wrote:
The law does not say that a drunk man cannot defend himself. Drunk or not, Deedy had a right to defend himself against death and serious bodily harm since Elderts was "straddling" him and punching him. So far, it looks like Deedy is gonna walk.
on July 18,2013 | 02:26PM
gobows wrote:
agree
on July 18,2013 | 02:58PM
hanalei395 wrote:
The FINAL say is up to the jurors, and what is already, no doubt, ON THEIR MINDS, and in their note pads are ... "a strong smell of alcohol",... "a sour smell.......emanating from his pores and perspiration". These statements, among others, will be the deciding factors, ... to make the jurors' final decisions. ... And no mattter WHAT the defense says about Deedy "not being drunk", it's not going to work.
on July 18,2013 | 03:16PM
false wrote:
No way. Deedy can't be right for pulling out a gun when he got up an out of his seat and in Elderts' personal space. Deedy escalated the show with "I'm gonna shoot you in the face". Wow. Who wouldn't come unglued with that challenge. Drunk men just didn't have a chance to change the outcome. Deedy drunk and packing started down this road to professional suicide and unfortunately took Elderts with him.
on July 18,2013 | 03:33PM
312guy wrote:
where can i view this video you are refering to
on July 18,2013 | 06:35PM
RandyC73 wrote:
That's CORRECT!
on July 18,2013 | 09:34PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
None of that matters. He is still entitled to defend himself. He is also authorized to carry off duty according to federal law. The state is lacking a case if Elderts was in fact on top of him and punching him.
on July 18,2013 | 03:40PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"None of that matters". ......... It matters to the jury. Deedy was drunk, armed, a killer....which are ON THEIR MINDS ... to sway their votes, or to sway their votes even more .....GUILTY
on July 18,2013 | 04:02PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The key issue is if he fired in self defense. Not if he was armed or drunk. That's been established. The prosecutor needs to prove that Deedy murdered Elderts and was not defending himself at the time he fired the weapon.
on July 18,2013 | 04:16PM
hanalei395 wrote:
It's not up to you, it's up to the jury. AND ON THEIR MINDS ...Deedy .....drunk, armed, he killed.
on July 18,2013 | 04:25PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
So, when it comes out that Elderts was straddling Deedy when he fired the shots, how do you think the jury will find that to be murder?
on July 18,2013 | 04:43PM
hanalei395 wrote:
WHATEVER the defense comes up for an excuse, the prosecution will explain it to cancel it. And with both sides not agreeing with each other, this is what the jury will make as their final decision....Deedy WAS drunk (the jury will not believe the defense, saying Deedy was not drunk, and thereby, irritating the jury), he was armed while drunk, and he killed. .....Guilty.
on July 18,2013 | 05:11PM
RandyC73 wrote:
He fired because he was scared! He was losing the fight he started!
on July 18,2013 | 09:39PM
RandyC73 wrote:
GUILTY AS CHARGED!
on July 18,2013 | 09:37PM
Mypualani wrote:
Oh yes it does, Elderts was defending his life as well, you need to remember who bought this gun to the party, who said I am going to shoot you in your face, didn't ELDERTS SAY IF YOU GONNA shoot me f'n shoot me? You are going by the end part of the situation, where the first shot was fired yes it all matters. Because just as you say the agent was defending his life, so was Elderts. The defense opened the door with" the agent was protecting and saving others from harm. No he wasn't people aren't stupid! And just because you can carry and are authorized with that comes great responsibility. That of which Deedy did not do, take responsibility.
on July 18,2013 | 05:02PM
RandyC73 wrote:
But Deedy started the whole thing and ended up getting lickin's! So much for trying to act Macho!
on July 18,2013 | 09:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
If it doesn't matter why is the testimony being allowed? The defense wouldn't allow any of this if it didn't matter. For real so everything that is coming out is related and relevant to the case being tried in the lovely state of Hawaii, maybe what you are saying might work in Florida but not here you see our laws differ somewhat, you can't start a fight then whip out your gun kill someone and claim self defense, does not work like that and I am sure the jury who happens to not be of his peers ( you know the locals ) may see this. Who knows though yeah.
on July 18,2013 | 09:38PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
agreed
on July 18,2013 | 03:38PM
RandyC73 wrote:
You finally agree with us on something!
on July 18,2013 | 09:41PM
ryan02 wrote:
Deedy kicked Elderts first. Doesn't Elderts have a right to defend himself with his fists? Why should Deedy have a right to use a gun, but Elderts doesn't have a right to use his fists? That first kick will be Deedy's downfall. I don't think the law allows you to physically assault someone, then when the victim fights backs, shoot the victim dead and claim self-defense.
on July 18,2013 | 03:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
ryan02 in a nutshell yeah that sounds about right.
on July 18,2013 | 05:05PM
312guy wrote:
you have a choice to walk away call 911 instead both allowed their macho mentality to take over and now we are spending time discussing who was right or wrong.
on July 18,2013 | 06:40PM
Mypualani wrote:
And what makes you think that only Deedy was fighting for his life? Maybe Elderts was fighting for his alter being threatened by some drunk azzclown. It could go both ways, who was making the threats? Elderts? No Elderts was waiting for his food.
on July 18,2013 | 04:54PM
Mypualani wrote:
Going by your post Elderts also.
on July 18,2013 | 05:27PM
kelbells34 wrote:
He CAN and SHOULD defend himself...Just not with a GUN!!! Elderts was NOT armed, did not initiate contact, and hopefully there were witnesses to say, Elderts was NOT "straddling" Deedy. As I stated before, it's VERY HARD to believe that Elderts would be "straddling" and punching Deedy in the face after he was trying to unarm him. I believe Elderts was holding the gun until he got shot. I wonder if they tested ELDERTS for GSR on his hands.
on July 18,2013 | 07:01PM
gobows wrote:
didnt read or hear anyone say Elderts was punching him while straddling him. the marine said Elderts was trying to pin his hands down.
on July 18,2013 | 08:42PM
RandyC73 wrote:
I think they did all that or Deedy lawer's would be saying Elderts accidently shot himself with Deedy gun during the struggle.
on July 18,2013 | 09:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
So did Kollin Elderts if we go by your reasoning, Elderts was sitting down, no danger in that Deedy approaches and threatens to shot Elderts, so why can't Elderts defend himself? Why because he is as some has labeled him a low- life moke? Don't think so. This trial is not as open and shut as you and Kailua like to claim, if it was there would be no trial and witnesses testifying what the so called special agent has done. There's no cherry picking here.
on July 18,2013 | 09:32PM
RandyC73 wrote:
So did Elderts but I didn't hear that Elderts had a gun and he was defending his self because Deedy went over there and told Elderts he was going to shoot him in the face and then kick him so he had his rights violate!
on July 18,2013 | 09:33PM
entrkn wrote:
Deedy was attacked and was obliged to defend himself however he could. He gave the thugs clear warning that he was armed and they continued to attack him. If the cops really thought Deedy was intoxicated and that it was relevant they should have tested him then and gotten real proof instead of the innuendo and hearsay they are trying to foist as real testimony now... and since this projects the level of police we have, not only do I want that payraise revoked and I want their pay cut to the low caliber they are!
on July 18,2013 | 02:49PM
gobows wrote:
this was an example of how "cops" take care of their own.
on July 18,2013 | 02:59PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Exactly. Cops take care of each other.
on July 18,2013 | 03:42PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
That's funny. Seems like all the "cops" who testified so far are destroying Deedy.
on July 18,2013 | 03:58PM
gobows wrote:
No blood test. No breathilizer. No proof. Only circumstantial opinions.
on July 18,2013 | 04:17PM
Mypualani wrote:
Circumstantial opinion that is being allowed in this trial. You forgot to say that. Allowed testimony so it must be worth mentioning to the jury. You see that's what witnesses do they testify and it is up to the jury to decide and then form their own opinions you see if that testimony was not relevant to this case the defense would have had it blocked stopped or what have you. But the prosecutors have bar receipts and an admission from the defense that agent Deedy was drinking. So there you go folks. So yeah it does matter BAC or no BAC. Of course the defense will try to minimize his drinking but his behaviors ooh well you saw the video. But will only speak to the event of the end, that's fine. Because what it looks like to me! Deedy made threats and Elderts was defending his self.
on July 18,2013 | 05:12PM
ethann81 wrote:
Too funny!!
on July 18,2013 | 05:08PM
ethann81 wrote:
Lol
on July 18,2013 | 05:07PM
312guy wrote:
no you can refuse to take breathalizer test or blood test. in this case being someone was shot they should have requested from the courts an order to draw blood
on July 18,2013 | 06:44PM
Mypualani wrote:
I agree with that, on other posts I kept harping on the facts as to why HPD didn't but yeah that would have helped here.
on July 18,2013 | 09:43PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Elderts was attacked and was obliged to defend himself however he could, ... by flooring Deedy.
on July 18,2013 | 03:43PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
Everyone who blames HPD for "not testing" Deedy is either ignorant OR has an agenda. Please review the 4th Amendment and basic criminal procedure before you spout this ridiculous argument.
on July 18,2013 | 04:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well they got to blame somebody for what this stupid drunk agent did, don't they?
on July 18,2013 | 05:14PM
gobows wrote:
cops will give cops/fellow law enforcement the benefit of the doubt? its a gray area. an unspoken code. they take care of their own. if deedy was black.......hmmmmm?
on July 18,2013 | 08:45PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yup it's called discretion.
on July 18,2013 | 09:46PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I wonder what the firearm expert said. It's not looking good for the prosecution if evidence proves Elderts was straddling Deedy when he was shot (like Zimmerman). Even if he had alcohol in his system, he's still allowed to defend himself.
on July 18,2013 | 03:44PM
ryan02 wrote:
Deedy kicked Elderts first. You cannot physically assault someone, then when the person fights back, shoot them dead and claim self-defense. That first kick, plus the drinking that impaired his judgment while carrying a gun, will be Deedy's downfall, and will result in major liability when the victims sue Deedy and the U.S. Government (to be paid with my tax dollars).
on July 18,2013 | 03:57PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
I agree with what you said, except the last part. Deedy was off duty and not on government business. Tough to prove liability against the feds on those facts.
on July 18,2013 | 04:10PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Elderts choose to engage a second time. Elderts could have choose to stop fighting but didn't. Instead he attacked Deedy and climbed on top of him and reached for his gun.
on July 18,2013 | 04:19PM
ethann81 wrote:
Just because u keep repeating it doesn't make it true.
on July 18,2013 | 05:09PM
gobows wrote:
its the former marine's testimony.....go read it.
on July 18,2013 | 08:47PM
Mypualani wrote:
Or maybe Elderts decided to defend himself from a guy with a gun who only moments before threaten to shoot him.
on July 18,2013 | 05:15PM
gobows wrote:
this is interesting thought.....deedy did threaten elderts didn't he?.....what the jury believes about this will be very very important. this threat is the reason prosecution is going for murder 2 and not manslaughter or aggr. assault.
on July 18,2013 | 08:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well either way, the defense has not presented yet so gotta wait and see. But if we are to go by the evidence right now it's not looking good for the agent, I will bet dollars to donuts if special agent Deedy wasn't told about how us locals hate H's and federal agents this I don't get. We have Hawaiian groups but not that of the terrorist variety, the only ones who would hate the Feds would be the criminals. Things may have panned out much differently, he's probably a good guy who made a terrible mistake. But now he is paying dearly along with his family. That is why he has the support that he does from family and friends, I have much empathy for his wife and loved ones this must be very trying for them and also of course the Elderts family. And yes I am wishy washy I admit it.
on July 18,2013 | 10:00PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Elderts probably climbed on top of him and tried to get the gun because thought Deedy was drunk and going to shoot him.
on July 18,2013 | 09:00PM
Mypualani wrote:
So did Deedy now didn't he? Remember when Ms west another scum bucket, who elevated the fight with her boyfriend. Didn't she try to stop Deedy twice but to no avail, look we will never agree on this bit I do see what you are saying and I do respect your opinion let's just agree to disagree.
on July 18,2013 | 09:50PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
So all I have to do to blow somebody away in "self-defense" is to tick them off so they attack me. Once they throw a punch I can pull out my gun and pop them? What world do you live, seriously?
on July 18,2013 | 04:07PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
No, but if they get on top of you and you fear for your life then yes, you can shoot them.
on July 18,2013 | 04:20PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
Oh, so it's the "get on top of you" and your resultant fear that justifies blowing someone away? So if some gentleman punches me twenty times for no reason and without any response from me, but then on the twenty first punch, I throw him to the ground and "get on top" of him, he can then legally shoot me in "self-defense"? Seriously, what world do you live in?
on July 18,2013 | 04:39PM
gobows wrote:
we dont make the laws....but if that's how its written, the jury has to follow the rules of the law. same thing with the zimmerman case, the juror writing the book wasnt happy about it, but they had to follow the law. it sucks.
on July 18,2013 | 08:53PM
Mypualani wrote:
And the instructions from the judge, that is very important it could mean an appeal if instructions are not put forth in a lawful manner, the jury cannot be subjective but objective in their findings.
on July 18,2013 | 10:03PM
ethann81 wrote:
I predict we'll be reading about you in the news one day.
on July 18,2013 | 05:32PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
Its true Elderts got on top of Deedy, but an eyewitness said Elderts was going for Deedy's arms---Elderts was trying to stop Deedy from firing his gun again.
on July 18,2013 | 05:59PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The witness testified that Elderts was trying to pin Deedy's arms. We have no proof that Elderts was trying to stop the firing or that he wouldn't himself use the weapon.
on July 19,2013 | 01:51AM
gobows wrote:
deedy didnt just shoot elderts while elderts was just standing there. elderts charged and was wrestling with deedy. regardless of what happened before, you dont rush a guy with a gun and try to grab his hand/gun.
on July 18,2013 | 04:25PM
2NDC wrote:
All depends on where this happens. Ordinary citizens don't have many places where they can legally possess a firearm and/or ammunition. If you're not in one of the authorized places, you will get arrested and charged with one or more of many firearms offenses.
on July 18,2013 | 05:51PM
CriticalReader wrote:
If you're under the influence of alcohol and you brandish a firearm, you should always be charged and prosecuted for it.
on July 18,2013 | 09:05PM
Mypualani wrote:
I agree with that.
on July 18,2013 | 10:04PM
jusjoking wrote:
new to Kailua. or Oahu? You can't stare down a wannabe, you or some putz you hang with, start talk stink, then try kick him because he won't say sorry sir. Poke a moray eel with your finger, you lose. But being raised in Kailua you know that. Why keep defending this drunk? The jury can't read this daily nonsense from you
on July 18,2013 | 04:13PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The jury can't read what you write either.
on July 18,2013 | 04:21PM
ethann81 wrote:
They know better than to listen to the weak-minded like yourself.
on July 18,2013 | 05:33PM
gobows wrote:
name caller....anything better to contribute or is that all you have to contribute?
on July 18,2013 | 08:55PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Do you have anything to contribute?
on July 19,2013 | 01:52AM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Duuuude. Fine, we get it. DEEDY MAY VERY LIKELY HAVE BEEN DRUNK, BUT THE COPS DIDN'T (and couldn't) DO A BREATHALYZER TEST. Please oh please prosecution don't put 20 million witnesses on the stand just to BADGER THAT POINT. This is all we're gonna hear about for goodness knows how long until the Defense starts their witnesses.....
on July 18,2013 | 04:06PM
WarriorMojo wrote:
Well at some point this testimony gets cumulative, but remember that a fundamental element of the defense is that Deedy was not intoxicated and/or not under the influence so having a number of witnesses rebut that is critical and appropriate.
on July 18,2013 | 04:13PM
Mypualani wrote:
Good one warrior
on July 18,2013 | 10:06PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
Duuuude. Fine, we get it. DEEDY MAY VERY LIKELY HAVE BEEN DRUNK, BUT THE COPS DIDN'T (and couldn't) DO A BREATHALYZER TEST. Please oh please prosecution don't put 20 million witnesses on the stand just to BADGER THAT POINT. This is all we're gonna hear about for goodness knows how long until the Defense starts their witnesses.....
on July 18,2013 | 04:08PM
Hapa_Haole_Boy wrote:
DUDE. Fine, we get it. DEEDY MAY VERY LIKELY HAVE BEEN DRUNK, BUT THE COPS DIDN'T (and couldn't) DO A BREATHALYZER TEST. Please oh please prosecution don't put 20 million witnesses on the stand just to BADGER THAT POINT. This is all we're gonna hear about for goodness knows how long until the Defense starts their witnesses.....
on July 18,2013 | 04:08PM
MillionMonkeys wrote:
Sounds like both were both drunk/drugged and behaving like idiots. They got into a stupid drunk scuffle and Deedy shot Elderts. Whatever the law decides (or doesn't) is what Deedy will get.
on July 18,2013 | 04:11PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well that was simply and nicely put. Straight to the point.
on July 18,2013 | 10:07PM
gobows wrote:
Martin mounted man with gun and got shot. Elderts mounted man with gun and got shot. Nothing else matters. Man with gun goes free.
on July 18,2013 | 04:19PM
gobows wrote:
Martin mounted man with gun and got shot. Elderts mounted man with gun and got shot. Nothing else matters. Man with gun goes free.
on July 18,2013 | 04:21PM
eknu wrote:
when he walks gets sent here again he might shoot you in the face no matter what he was gonna shoot elderts by stating i'm gonna shoot you in the face 3 times when he walks its gonna hit the fan cause the white man has been killing kanaka maoli's since captain cook
on July 18,2013 | 04:29PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Lol. If he was going to shoot him, he would have done it before getting tackled to the ground and risked getting the gun turned on him.
on July 18,2013 | 04:47PM
Recce wrote:
Oh, really? I think you need to go read your history book. It was Captain Cook who was killed (and cooked) by the kanaka maoli. And it seems like some folks here still have that same spirit of "aloha" for visitors!
on July 18,2013 | 07:24PM
gobows wrote:
oh no!...not the capt cook story again!....auwe!
on July 18,2013 | 09:03PM
Mypualani wrote:
I have Aloha spirit for visitors and kamaaina alike. Nothing wrong with that, and yes they cooked cook that was the Hawaiian way back then, so that they could clean the bones and use it for it's magical powers, that is why the guy on the ship ended up with Cooks hand ( bones) so he figured the Kanaka ate Cook with poi and rice, oh wait me ah have rice yet yeah. You see they did that for the high ranking people, cook em clean um and hide the bones. Mean yeah the dope.
on July 18,2013 | 10:12PM
Mallory wrote:
Stand Your Burger Law in effect
on July 18,2013 | 04:47PM
GorillaSmith wrote:
Yours is the first intelligent post I've seen in response to this article.
on July 18,2013 | 05:38PM
dlum003 wrote:
La dah Deedy daaah, la dah Deedy daaaaaaah dah dah!
on July 18,2013 | 04:54PM
gobows wrote:
heeeyyy heyyy...goodbye!!
on July 18,2013 | 09:02PM
lawman1175 wrote:
Use of force seems justified,but was the use of lethal force justified...guess I'll just have to wait and see what Deedy says when he takes the stand.
on July 18,2013 | 05:20PM
gobows wrote:
deedy is waiting....just like zimmerman waited. zimmerman's prosecution was so weak, he didnt have to take the stand.
on July 18,2013 | 09:02PM
jtamura69 wrote:
Sorry but I still don't get it. If all these law enforcement officers smelled alcohol then why didn't anyone give Deedy a breathalyzer test or blood test to confirm that he was drunk? Wouldn't that be more substantial evidence?
on July 18,2013 | 06:24PM
gobows wrote:
that was awesome evidence that was never taken. but, you dont have to take those tests if you dont want to. the only way is a court order, but by the time they wouldve gotten one, deedy wouldve been sober.
on July 18,2013 | 09:00PM
scooters wrote:
It sure looks like Sgt. Kenneth Schreiner made many mistakes with crime security and missing vital witnesses. Schreiner said that Deedy was un-steady on his feet, slurred his speech and that he could smell an unknown alcoholic beverage on his breath when he spoke BUT failed to put that in his report. Why is that? DId he just make all of that up????
on July 18,2013 | 08:14PM
gobows wrote:
its called taking care of each other. the brotherhood. the silent code........cops dont take down cops.....or at least not purposely....
on July 18,2013 | 08:58PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's called the blue line.
on July 19,2013 | 01:54AM
LKK56 wrote:
One thing for sure, maybe we should all stay away from McDonalds after 11:00 at night. At the Keeamoku (not sure of spelling) McDonalds they were several incidents - at Waikiki, this unfortunate incident. Now these incidents are the high profile incidents. I can just imagine there must be a lot of other minor incidents at these type of fast food locations. Say what you want of Deedy and Elderts, just be glad you were not at that McDonalds on that particular night.
on July 18,2013 | 08:31PM
CriticalReader wrote:
Defending himself? Being the aggressor? Who knows? But, WHY isn't there a law against use of a firearm while under the influence of alcohol? Or, at least a loss the self defense defense? Bottom line, people under the influence should not be permitted to carry or discharge guns.
on July 18,2013 | 08:58PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
There is. You can't carry and be under the influence. Unfortunately, the prosecution can't prove Deedy was really under the influence because he wasn't tested and HPD didn't pursue a court order (I'm assuming because Deedy is also a LEO). You can drink and carry if your not impaired.
on July 19,2013 | 01:55AM
Anonymous wrote:
YES! You have no right to prevent yourself from being shot. . . by an angry drunk.
on July 18,2013 | 09:04PM
RandyC73 wrote:
If your local you stand your ground when someone butts in an threaten you!
on July 18,2013 | 09:45PM
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