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Kick from Deedy initiated fight, Marine says

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 03:50 p.m. HST, Jul 24, 2013


A McDonald's customer testified Tuesday that State Department Special Agent Christopher Deedy kicked Kollin Elderts to start the physical confrontation at the fast-food restaurant in Waikiki, then later pulled out a gun and fired at Elderts at close range.

Assan Jobe, a Kaneohe Marine, testified Deedy was only a step or two away from Elderts, but Jobe said he didn't know whether the shot hit Elderts.

Jobe said he and others in the restaurant left after the shot.

He said when the gun was pulled, the situation turned dangerous.

"It's not a fistfight anymore," he testified.

Jobe took the witness stand in the 10th day of Deedy's trial on a charge of murdering Elderts at about 2:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2011, during a chaotic scene at the McDonald's restaurant on Kuhio Avenue.

The prosecution maintains that Deedy was driven by inexperience and alcohol in shooting the unarmed 23-year-old Kailua man. The defense contends Deedy fired in self-defense to ward off Elderts.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., was here to provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

Jobe testified he had been with Alexander Byrd, a Kaneohe Marine at the time who testified earlier in the trial that a drunken Deedy had repeatedly threatened to shoot Elderts in the face.

Jobe said when he got to the restaurant, he saw a "white guy," a reference to Deedy, and a "Hawaiian guy," referring to Elderts, arguing, but Jobe said he couldn't hear what they were saying.

He did not know the name of either man, but the references were clear based on his description of the men and other witnesses' testimony.

Jobe said after the kick, Elderts threw back a slipper at Deedy, then slapped the agent.

The two got into a "fistfight," Jobe said.

When Deedy fell, Elderts went to another fight by a side exit door, then went back to Deedy when the agent stood up, Jobe said.

That's when Deedy pulled out his gun from his right side, the Marine said.

"I feel that I'm in danger," Jobe said. "There's a gun around."

Jobe said as he was leaving, he heard another shot.

According to the undisputed testimony earlier in the trial, three shots were fired. The defense contends the first two missed Elderts and that the third was the fatal one to the chest.

Unlike many of the other customers, including Elderts and Deedy, who had been drinking, Jobe said he does not drink alcohol because of his "Muslim Islamic" religion.

Earlier Tuesday, Adam Gutowski, 29, a Waikiki resident and Deedy's friend and former college roommate at Tulane University, testified that following the kick, he held up his hands and tried to stop Elderts from approaching Deedy.

But he said Elderts punched him in the head in his left temple, knocking him backward to the side exit door.

Gutowski said he was "severely beaten" by Elderts and his friend Shane Medei­ros, which apparently was the fight by the door that Jobe saw.

Gutowski testified he was left "dazed" and bleeding from his head injuries.

Gutowski was called as a prosecution witness, but at the request of city Deputy Prosecutor Jan Futa, he was declared an "adverse witness," which allowed the prosecutor to grill him with leading questions.






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
This juror has reached a verdict.
on July 24,2013 | 02:15AM
false wrote:
Typical local fight, throw the slippa. That was a serious weapon in response to a kick. Deedy should have laughed and left. That wall all Elderts had to fight with, big weapon, one slippa. Thank you Marine Jobe. You did well and we appreciate all you contribute to integrity.
on July 24,2013 | 05:56AM
allie wrote:
agree...this was very reckless and is manslaughter. Elderts, who is white, was no hero and had a long criminal history. But he should not have been shot.
on July 24,2013 | 06:33AM
8082062424 wrote:
To quote Bill Crosby Must be a special kind of stupid.Even a marine who was here only a few year saw that Elderts was a local Hawaiian male and not white unlike you who has to be blind. but then again maybe it come to having some degree of intelligence which this marine has .But you seem to lack
on July 24,2013 | 06:45AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
So if he has some Hawaiian blood, that makes it okay to kick and kill him? Give me a break.
on July 24,2013 | 07:25AM
aomohoa wrote:
Stupid comment Keith. 808 is just making a point that allie makes comments and has no clue what she/he is talking about. Of course allie has said she(which has been questioned) has a crush on you so maybe you would defend allie the head case.
on July 24,2013 | 09:14AM
allie wrote:
right..race should not matter and he is not Hawaiian I am told.
on July 24,2013 | 11:37AM
8082062424 wrote:
That just your best save after you have been told your wrong .So i am told. like Bill Crosby says it take a special kind of stupid. . lack of intelligence does not help you either
on July 24,2013 | 11:55AM
hanalei395 wrote:
No one has to be told that allie is an .......
on July 24,2013 | 12:16PM
Tahitigirl55 wrote:
Allie - you are so stupid. I know the Elderts Family and he is Hawaiian. What does that matter to you?
on July 24,2013 | 02:05PM
Shh wrote:
OMG ...who told you this? Your so called roommate?
on July 24,2013 | 02:08PM
honopic wrote:
"I am told" again, allie? By whom? Those other voices in your head? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 24,2013 | 03:34PM
aomohoa wrote:
HUH? Yikes you are so dumb!
on July 24,2013 | 08:02PM
808Warriors wrote:
Allie just stop posting as you sound more and more ignorant.
on July 24,2013 | 11:11PM
gobows wrote:
Hawaiian....as in..."from Hawaii or lives in Hawaii"....versus his race being Hawaiian?? Asians that are born in Hawaii and go to the mainland for college are often times referred to as "Hawaiians".
on July 24,2013 | 09:15AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Reffered to by clueless people who don't know any better.
on July 24,2013 | 09:40AM
Fred01 wrote:
Oh yeah, I forgot. You know better.
on July 24,2013 | 11:57AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Fred saw "clueless" and he KNEW that was him.
on July 24,2013 | 12:19PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Better than you, apparently- hanalei is right.
on July 24,2013 | 05:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
Go bows mahalo for bringing this up.
on July 24,2013 | 01:06PM
Mythman wrote:
Read the opinion and some of the briefs in Rice v Cayetano, where this was all worked out extensively...."Hawaiian" versus etc.....Dan Inouye, Winona Rubin and Pinky Thompson, CJ Richardson and Justice Moon created this mess in law through messing with language in this regard......
on July 24,2013 | 01:39PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you Myth
on July 24,2013 | 03:18PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Fail. A sure sign that someone is not actually from Hawaii is if they call themselves "Hawaiian" and they are not native Hawaiian. Hawaii people say they are "from Hawaii".
on July 24,2013 | 04:55PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
try read gobows comment again. they not calling themselves "Hawaiians", they are often times referred to as "Hawaiians". Two different things.
on July 24,2013 | 07:29PM
aomohoa wrote:
My husband was born in Hawaii. He moved to the Mainland for a while. I met him there. He says he is from Hawaii and he is Japanese American. Does that clear things up for some of you?
on July 24,2013 | 08:07PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
i go to the mainland on business and introduce myself as being from Hawaii. after that everyone calls me the "Hawaiian". good or bad, that's the way people are, they label people. i don't take offense, i take it as a compliment and try to promote the islands.
on July 24,2013 | 08:33PM
allie wrote:
He is not Hawaiian hon. He is Portuguese which is white. Check the census.
on July 24,2013 | 11:36AM
808Warriors wrote:
Allie ... you are again wrong as he was part-Hawaiian although that should not matter. You continually put your foot in your mouth.
on July 24,2013 | 11:13PM
honopic wrote:
Bill Crosby? Any relation to Bing? Or maybe William H. Cosby, Jr, PhD? Don't mind you pointing out allie's mindless posts, but get your own stuff together, too.
on July 24,2013 | 03:37PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
All-lie, there you go again. Elderts is a part-Hawaiian local to the max. Even tho he MIGHT have some Portuguese or white blood, he definitely relates to local, not white culture.
on July 24,2013 | 06:53AM
allie wrote:
only in Hawaii does a white Portuguese/German/English man pretend not to be white. Bizarre place.
on July 24,2013 | 11:38AM
8082062424 wrote:
How about using they eyes you were born with.Does he look white? Is his facial feature that of a white person.
on July 24,2013 | 11:57AM
Fred01 wrote:
He looks like local trash, white or brown, who cares.
on July 24,2013 | 01:13PM
Fred01 wrote:
So many fake Hawaiians.
on July 24,2013 | 11:57AM
8082062424 wrote:
trash liker you?
on July 24,2013 | 01:20PM
AmbienDaze wrote:
no, like hanalei
on July 24,2013 | 07:25PM
aomohoa wrote:
So many crankie posters. LOL
on July 24,2013 | 08:11PM
Tahitigirl55 wrote:
Allie - In hawaii we have many different ethnic backgrounds. And I guess yours is STUPID. I'm also portuguese but my dad is the dark portuguese. Get your facts straight. I also have many more nationality. I consist myself part-hawaiian (brown), I also have chinese, japanese (yellow) and tahitian (brown), and portugese (brown). You just learn something. If I were you I would keep my mouth shut.
on July 24,2013 | 02:11PM
Grimbold wrote:
Tahitygirl, you know where the dark Portuguese come from? Muslim Arabs invaded Portugal and occupied it a long time . They mixed with some Caucasions. So then your ethni background is Euroarab.
on July 24,2013 | 04:05PM
Shh wrote:
Why you always gotta bring up race anyway! Shut trap!
on July 24,2013 | 02:11PM
aomohoa wrote:
I think this is all about attitude of cultures not race. Also macho men that have been drinking.Let it go people.
on July 24,2013 | 08:17PM
honopic wrote:
What's bizarre is that you're still here, despite all your negative rants about the state of Hawai'i. Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 24,2013 | 03:34PM
kolohepalu wrote:
No. You don't understand local culture. You are bizarre.
on July 24,2013 | 04:57PM
aomohoa wrote:
"Bizarre place?" One minute you love it here the next you are name calling. LOL I guess it depends are who is in your head today. Crazy multiple personalities..
on July 24,2013 | 08:10PM
Shh wrote:
The slippah was the dead give away as him being a local..come on! So funny! Anyone who is local would know that ...Automatic!
on July 24,2013 | 02:11PM
aomohoa wrote:
I thought the witness said Elderts was a Hawaiian guy??
on July 24,2013 | 09:11AM
turbolink wrote:
Why does this get argued with allie as eager facilitator day after day? Doing so feeds her race-baiting comments.
on July 24,2013 | 01:36PM
false wrote:
Ignore allie and she might disappear. She hasn't a clue about Hawaii. Cha.........
on July 24,2013 | 03:34PM
Mypualani wrote:
Not going to happen.with all lies she will just pop up with something that begs for a reaction.
on July 24,2013 | 05:17PM
gobows wrote:
does the jury have a choice to convict of manslaughter? I thought Deedy was charged with murder 2?
on July 24,2013 | 09:12AM
Jonas wrote:
yup, manslaughter, not murder.
on July 24,2013 | 09:39AM
Mypualani wrote:
Long criminal history? WOW all lies you are whacked! .
on July 24,2013 | 01:04PM
Shh wrote:
There we go again people. Allie acting as if he/she knows what he/she is talking about which we know he/she does not! That's why I keep telling Allie to keep her/his trap shut!
on July 24,2013 | 02:07PM
Usagi336 wrote:
Actually Kollin might have been giving Deedy back his own slippa. He left it with Kollin after he kicked him.
on July 24,2013 | 09:37AM
false wrote:
See he was being nice. "Here's your slippa, brah".
on July 24,2013 | 03:35PM
Mypualani wrote:
Plus one slap to the face.
on July 24,2013 | 05:18PM
kainalu wrote:
Make that 2 jurors that have reached a verdict. Federal agent bar-hopping while carrying his weapon. A "seed" planted that locals were unfriendly towards his ethnicity. Multiple professionals testifying that they smelled alcohol on him. And now this Marine saying the physical part of this confrontation initiated by Deedy.
on July 24,2013 | 06:58AM
control wrote:
what a joke kainalu. you have a dr., a qualified professional who testified that deedy wasn't impared so statements negated themselves. yes, the gov't will be sued for planting seeds of prejudice towards locals. Marine only saw some of the incident, he doesn't know what happenned, who started the incident and what led up to the incident. there is still a lot to go to convict deedy of murder, they have a better case at manslaughter or a lesser sentence but we need to see all info before reaching a verdict. unlike the 2 "jurors" like you most of us will wait to see both sides of the story before judging a person guilty.
on July 24,2013 | 08:32AM
saveparadise wrote:
Control, those were my thoughts as well. Jobe only saw part of the incident which was the latter half. He says nothing of Gutowski being beaten by the two. The SA is giving only bits and pieces of the trial to spur interest and readership. This is creating a lot of jumping to conclusions. Please realize everyone that this media does what it has to so they can generate internet media hits. They don't care about the out come or those involved.
on July 24,2013 | 10:16AM
hapaguy wrote:
What do you mean Jobe only saw the latter half? He testified that he saw Deedy assault Elderts and left when the gunfire erupted. That means he was there for the whole melee....which by the way only lasted about 35 seconds....
on July 24,2013 | 11:01AM
hapaguy wrote:
You Deedy supporters are a joke. You have one guy, a Dr. testify that he couldn't recall if Deedy smelled like alcohol and you all keep pointing to that and saying that negates all the HPD and unbiased witness testimony that Deedy was drunk. I don't think a jury is as dumb as you guys are. Also Jobe testified that he saw Deedy assault Elderts by throwing the first blow, a front kick to Elderts.
on July 24,2013 | 10:59AM
gobows wrote:
lets not resort to name calling......i see your passion.....no need to call people "dumb"....
on July 24,2013 | 11:23AM
hapaguy wrote:
you are right gobows....my bad. I'm just running out of patience with these people. Like St. Paul said: I don't "suffer fools gladly".....
on July 24,2013 | 12:47PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Well, to be fair all you're going off of is the SA. We don't know if the defense tears apart on redirect or not. We'll never know because we don't see what the Jury sees.
on July 24,2013 | 01:40PM
gobows wrote:
We all just having a great time with this.Water cooler stuff. And we all have one.....opinion that is.... Cant wait to hear the defense side.
on July 24,2013 | 03:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
Go bows very smart post and intuitive observation Kailua. But yeah I do get what you are saying as to defense.
on July 24,2013 | 05:21PM
RingRing wrote:
The time between the shooting and seeing the doctor was far more than enough time to sober up a bit. . . That came out in the trial so yeah, Deedy was still certainly impaired at the time of the shooting.
on July 24,2013 | 11:10AM
jess wrote:
The doctor never facilitated a blood test, so he doesn't know if Deedy was intoxicated or not, just that he appeared to be sober and didn't smell of alcohol.
on July 24,2013 | 12:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
No the Dr stated that Deedy did not seem to be impaired and the Dr also stated that "he did not recall" very different from what you are laying down.
on July 24,2013 | 01:09PM
kolohepalu wrote:
The doctor saw him a significant time after the incident, and gave an opinion not backed up by objective tests. Cops deal with drunks all the time, and at the scene where the incidences occur- what did the cops say about Deedy again?
on July 24,2013 | 05:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
Red eyes slurry small KINE and the smell was alcohol beverage. I side with the police because they are exposed to this stuff all the time.
on July 24,2013 | 05:24PM
wiliki wrote:
Regardless who threw the first blow. Elderts and Medeiros were violent in their confrontation with Deedy and his friend. Why did they have to beat up his friend when he did nothing to provoke the attack. When Elderts started to go after Deedy's gun, then Deedy had plenty reason to shoot to defend himself.
on July 24,2013 | 05:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL SURELY you JOKE or Jest! Bwwwaaahhhhh! Hello watch the video and there is witness testimony to go with it, Gutowski and mz west his former g friend made things worse. Check out Byrds testimony . But of course Gutowski was to drunk to remember his part.
on July 24,2013 | 05:26PM
control wrote:
glad that you aren't a juror, trying and convicting a person based on one sided information. Seems you already had deedy convicted from the getgo, now you are just using one sided information given to justify your verdict. Luckily most of us in america look at all facts and information given prior to making an objective judgement. hate to say it but the prosecutor may not be doing a very good job if she has to treat her own witness as an adverse witness. should be interesting to see the defense pick apart the prosecutor's case.
on July 24,2013 | 08:27AM
saveparadise wrote:
People who rely only on the news media for evidence and testimony will make many wrong conclusions in their lifetime.
on July 24,2013 | 10:20AM
Mythman wrote:
Echo that, save......recommend many here google Baudrillard's simulacra
on July 24,2013 | 01:43PM
Mypualani wrote:
Point taken save
on July 24,2013 | 02:08PM
Mythman wrote:
The prosecution knows its case is a stretch........
on July 24,2013 | 01:42PM
Mypualani wrote:
I thank god I am not a juror. Yes I would have been one sided on this...Not, I wanna see what the defense has to say.
on July 24,2013 | 03:22PM
droid wrote:
At this point, enough facts of this case have been corroborated to at least convict Deedy of manslaughter. The state department should be planning their termination announcement. Deedy has zero evidence his life was in danger, which is essentially, the only justification for using deadly force (particularly since his victim, Kollin Elderts, was unarmed).

There is ample evidence, however, that Deedy initiated a confrontation with Elderts not the least of which is McDonald’s security video clearly showing Elderts sitting down minding his own business (which at the time was waiting for his food order to come up) until Deedy walks over to Elderts and gets in his face.

The absurd defense claim that Deedy was defending Michel Perrine is contradicted by Perrine himself who not only testified that he never felt threatened or was need of help, but is shown on the video never getting within three feet of Elderts.

No jury in their right mind would acquit Deedy with the overwhelming evidence against him. I feel bad for Brook Hart. His best hope is a hung jury. This case will permanently damage his reputation as an attorney and likely send him into retirement.
on July 24,2013 | 02:39AM
LMO wrote:
"No jury in their right mind would acquit Deedy..." Uh oh, he's getting acquitted!
on July 24,2013 | 02:51AM
aomohoa wrote:
I thought that about Zimmerman. Of course that prosecutor was incompetent and should have gone for Manslaughter.
on July 24,2013 | 09:16AM
GorillaSmith wrote:
The Zimmerman jury was allowed to consider manslaughter but they concluded that no crime had been committed.
on July 25,2013 | 07:13AM
Mythman wrote:
Who are you Droid, allie under another pseudonym? Rubbish...
on July 24,2013 | 04:53AM
allie wrote:
huh?
on July 24,2013 | 06:33AM
Pocho wrote:
Yikes!
on July 24,2013 | 07:09AM
aomohoa wrote:
You don't even know that people make fun of you do you allie?LOL You are about the densest person that has ever commented here. It has also been commented that you are not who you say you are. Why don't you just confess the truth. We would respect that. Your "truth" is only in your little confused mind.
on July 24,2013 | 09:19AM
allie wrote:
what on earth are you talking about?
on July 24,2013 | 11:40AM
DAGR81 wrote:
YOU, STUPIID.
on July 24,2013 | 11:46AM
8082062424 wrote:
Omg you just proved what she was saying is right. it a scary thought that your left alone in the real world
on July 24,2013 | 12:02PM
RingRing wrote:
Allie feeds off of the attention. if you want less allie, stop responding to her. . .
on July 24,2013 | 11:57AM
Shh wrote:
So true but so hard not to when she so toopid!
on July 24,2013 | 02:17PM
honopic wrote:
Great idea, RingRing, but ignoring a pest doesn't make it go away. Since we can't smack dis one wid one rubbah slippah, gotta shine light on it and watch it scurry for cover.
on July 24,2013 | 03:43PM
aomohoa wrote:
Like a cockroach you can't get rid of. LOL
on July 24,2013 | 08:23PM
aomohoa wrote:
allie is such a mental case and hard to ignore. Allie knows that. That is what allie gets paid for.
on July 24,2013 | 08:21PM
false wrote:
Deedy used "deadly force" against a slipper and a slap in the face. Who has the video?
on July 24,2013 | 05:57AM
xxNOTxx wrote:
false---here's the video. http://youtu.be/K_CDhTH_EgE It's on YouTube
on July 24,2013 | 07:26AM
false wrote:
Does it show the slippa flying at Deedy? How many videos are out there? How many different views do we have of the same action?
on July 24,2013 | 03:40PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
I've watch a lot of different videos and I've never seen the flying slippa
on July 24,2013 | 06:04PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
I first read that the lone slippa that was on the ground was one that Deedy lost during the fight (kick). On the video you can see, after the shooting, Deedy going back to the slippa, but he didn't take it---then you can see it again on the ground when the HPD Sargent points to it while looking at the McDonald crew.
on July 24,2013 | 06:12PM
GorillaSmith wrote:
The North Korean legal system follows your approach (i.e. if there's any evidence of guilt, proceed to sentencing). Here in the US, each side gets to present their case. I like our system better. Do you think any juror in their right mind migh want to hear the defense's evidence before redering a verdict?
on July 24,2013 | 06:31AM
Mypualani wrote:
Point taken
on July 24,2013 | 01:13PM
8082062424 wrote:
you make a point. I have been wondering just who the defence is going to call to testify . When you look at who the state has called so far . they covered most of the main folks that were there. even Deddy friends and co workers. I like to hear what the cashier and the guard has to say.
on July 24,2013 | 01:29PM
BigOpu wrote:
Huh? We've only heard the prosecutions side of the story. Of course it sounds like the odds are against Deedy, because up to this point, the testimony favors Elderts. Let's here what the defense has up their sleeves before calling it a case.
on July 24,2013 | 08:36AM
control wrote:
such one sidedness. only believing one side, you must also be outraged that zimmerman was acquited since you only want to hear one side of the story. You have to understand that this is all a "show", that the prosecutor is trying to paint a picture for you so you as biased in the incident and even when the defense presents his case you will be blinded to any other facts of the case. elderts was kicking deedy's behind, if they can prove that deedy felt his life was in danger then lethal force could be justified. and whether he was drunk doesn't make a difference (sorry haugen, I know you are making this an issue along with his "inexperience") but the defense just needs to show some doubt (need to prove beyond a resonable doubt for murder 2) for the murder 2 conviction to be off the table. armed, unarmed, if your perceive your life in danger you will use whatever is necessary to save yourself. we shall have to see what story the defense has to offer before deciding.
on July 24,2013 | 08:42AM
aomohoa wrote:
What happened to the good old days when a fist fight would have been the end to a couple of drunks with to much testosterone would get into it.??
on July 24,2013 | 09:23AM
Usagi336 wrote:
According to a sober marine at the scene, someone who is trained to be violent, there was no real danger until a gun was brought out. It was just an everyday fistfight. Deedy perceived that he might lose a couple of teeth but his life?
on July 24,2013 | 09:26AM
saveparadise wrote:
Usagi, since you follow the news you should know that there are many fist fights that end with someone getting murdered or paralyzed. Anytime someone takes a swing at your head or even attempts to throw you to the ground you are in real danger. Have you ever been in a fight? Once the adrenaline starts flowing you either run or try to knock the living daylights out of your opponent. There is no control and every blow is dealt with bad intentions.
on July 24,2013 | 10:27AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
So Elderts would be correct in assuming his life was in real danger when a stranger kicked him directly in the chest?
on July 24,2013 | 12:06PM
hapaguy wrote:
Good one Kalaheo1!....
on July 24,2013 | 12:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yup sounds about right Kaleo.
on July 24,2013 | 01:15PM
Usagi336 wrote:
Been in many. Stop when the other guy starts snoring. But what I'm saying is usually with lots of witnesses, ex marines too in the crowd, less chance someone would get beaten to death. Let alone a well trained fed. I admit though someone might fall and hit his head and there's always a chance of that.
on July 24,2013 | 01:03PM
kolohepalu wrote:
How many fist fights end with someone getting murdered or paralyzed? It ain't "many"- try "almost none." When it does happen it makes the news. And it certainly doesn't justify pulling a gun if you get punched.
on July 24,2013 | 05:14PM
Mythman wrote:
Fists can kill too
on July 24,2013 | 01:47PM
aomohoa wrote:
At least it's a fair fight.
on July 24,2013 | 08:25PM
allie wrote:
Manslaughter is what I called for months ago.
on July 24,2013 | 11:39AM
honopic wrote:
Perhaps, among a thousand other posts. But where are your facts? Where is the legal precedence? Where is your thought-process? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 24,2013 | 03:46PM
GorillaSmith wrote:
The only three words of value in Droid's screed are, "At this point" - this point being near the end of the prosecution's case, before the defense has begun to present its case and before the jury has begun its deliberations. There is enough equivocal evidence and conflicting testimony that a competent defense attorney should have no trouble raising the specter of reasonable doubt. It's been a fair trial so far and the judge has performed well. Let's let this case run its course and trust in the integrity of our 12 fellow citizens who will decide the case.
on July 25,2013 | 07:12AM
Recce wrote:
This juror will wait until all the testimony and evidence has been presented.
on July 24,2013 | 02:53AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
Recce was dismissed as a juror due to bias.
on July 24,2013 | 03:46AM
aomohoa wrote:
So you know this to be true or are you just being sarcastic?
on July 24,2013 | 09:24AM
Recce wrote:
Said the guy who doesn't need to hear all the facts before proving what bias really is. MalamaKA, better you should take Abraham Lincoln's wise advice: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
on July 25,2013 | 04:16AM
Grimbold wrote:
First kick! Gotcha Deedy. No wonder he looks so morose. He knows what is coming.
on July 24,2013 | 03:52AM
saveparadise wrote:
I would like Deedy to take the stand and give his version. If he confesses to initiating the fight then bye bye. If he says he was trying to save Gutowski we don't know what the jurors will decide. The verdict could still go either way.
on July 24,2013 | 10:35AM
hapaguy wrote:
He will never testify.....
on July 24,2013 | 11:15AM
Mythman wrote:
Someone said yesterday the prosecution rested - doesn't appear to be the case.
on July 24,2013 | 04:51AM
mitt_grund wrote:
Guess the rebuttal that Deedy supporters will make is that these two marines were black, and therefore biased due to the Trayvon Martin killing. In their desire to set things right, they falsely testified to get this guy. But here we have a witness who says he didn't have any alcohol because he is a non-drinking Muslim. Ah, ha! A Muslim! Can't trust those people. Not! Appears the noose is tightening.

Deedy will have to request solitary if he is housed in OCCC or Halawa. Too many locals there who will be wanting to see how good he is with those kicks of his.

But maybe he will ask for a DAGP and get paroled immediately, his record expunged for good behavior. Oops, it's too late for that. Well, then he will have to appeal the denial of his request to be tried in federal court, and upon getting that, follow it with a request for change of venue to Florida, on the grounds he cannot get a fair trial in Hawaii, because unlike Florida, people here are racist.


on July 24,2013 | 05:13AM
scooters wrote:
Foolish comments!
on July 24,2013 | 05:28AM
false wrote:
Don't think mitt is all that whimsical. Point is Deedy is going to continue to fight to stay out of prison. Hart will try to demonstrate that the trial was not fair and that he was still acting as an agent in a deadly threat between locals and non locals.
on July 24,2013 | 06:00AM
aomohoa wrote:
Agree with you scooters
on July 24,2013 | 09:25AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
They're already trying to make it a race issue. Like if you're white, it is okay to carry a gun while out drinking (maybe even drunk)?
on July 24,2013 | 07:27AM
allie wrote:
Keith is correct.
on July 24,2013 | 11:41AM
aomohoa wrote:
We can't listen to you agreeing with Keith. You said you have a crush on Keith once. You'll agree with any comment he makes. LOL
on July 24,2013 | 08:28PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Well, it's 100% legal. That has nothing to do with race. I'm sure a ton of HPD guys do it too.
on July 24,2013 | 01:45PM
aomohoa wrote:
Not the point at all.!
on July 24,2013 | 08:27PM
allie wrote:
huh?
on July 24,2013 | 11:41AM
Mythman wrote:
Yikes? and Yikes?
on July 24,2013 | 01:50PM
scooters wrote:
Deedy might have kicked first, but it's more than likely a defensive move to stop the aggressive actions of Elderts. Which is what LEO's are taught to do....
on July 24,2013 | 05:31AM
false wrote:
Yeah, Elderts throwing his slippa. Got to just lol seeing Deedy get really pissed from slippa flying.
on July 24,2013 | 06:02AM
hanalei395 wrote:
What scooters means by "aggressive actions of Elberts" ...... A local guy floors a white guy, (after the white guy kicks the local guy). And fighting back against a white guy, a local guy slugging a white guy, is "aggressive", ... and is "not correct".
on July 24,2013 | 06:15AM
allie wrote:
Elderts was white hon. Get off the racial kick.
on July 24,2013 | 06:34AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
All-lie, Elderts is NOT white. Seen any pictures of him?
on July 24,2013 | 06:57AM
waikane_honolulu wrote:
This guy(All Lies) wouldn'tknow his @ss from a hole in the ground.
on July 24,2013 | 07:20AM
allie wrote:
He is Portuguese which is white. He is also German and English. Nothing wrong with that. I don't see two drunk men fighting as a racial incident.
on July 24,2013 | 11:43AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Allie, sweetie, I've been following this thread. You need to understand something about Hawai'i. Yes, Portuguese are White, HOWEVER, in Hawai'i's local culture, Portuguese are NOT considered White (i.e. "Haole"). They are "local", on a par with the darker-skinned populace. It is essential that you understand this distinction. Only then will you have a better grasp of the discussions concerning Deedy's and Eldert's behavior that night, okay? It's kind of hard to sit here watching people attack you because you have a basic misunderstanding of the way things are here in Hawai'i. Right or wrong, that's just the way things are. Just trying to help you, hon.
on July 24,2013 | 02:56PM
Shh wrote:
Ignore her...she doesn't know the difference.
on July 24,2013 | 02:20PM
hanalei395 wrote:
allie, who hates Hawai'i and Hawaiians, says "Get off the racial kick".
on July 24,2013 | 07:18AM
Shh wrote:
Exactly! True story too! She is racist herself and hates Hawaiians and Hawaii. She should go back home.
on July 24,2013 | 02:21PM
Kaimiloa wrote:
Allie IS home. She is a middle aged Japanese man who lives with his mother in Kaimuki. That's my guess.
on July 24,2013 | 03:38PM
turbolink wrote:
Close...has a long dark beard and wants to be Hawaiian to cash in on what he thinks others are getting that he isn't.
on July 24,2013 | 04:42PM
honopic wrote:
You really think ND would take her back? If so, why is she here in the first place?
on July 24,2013 | 03:48PM
control wrote:
guess if you are looking at the "black" point of view then elderts could be white too but to us elderts was a local, not white. deedy was the "white" h guy.
on July 24,2013 | 08:46AM
aomohoa wrote:
No he isn't dummy! It may mater in this case. Macho against a different kind of macho.
on July 24,2013 | 09:28AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Errr... When Deedy kicked Elderts, Elderts was sitting and waiting for his order. The only thing in danger from Eldert at that point was a Big Mac and fries.

A law enforcement officer CONTROLS the situation. You will NOT see police officers kicking nonviolent seated suspects.


on July 24,2013 | 06:39AM
sayer wrote:
True.
on July 24,2013 | 07:04AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Deedy was not a law enforcement officer, but don't say you will NOT see police officers kicking nonviolent seated suspects.It has happened. There are good and bad cops.
on July 24,2013 | 07:29AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Few Hawaii cops are as stupid as Deedy. Extremely few.
on July 24,2013 | 11:02AM
allie wrote:
yup
on July 24,2013 | 11:43AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy is a law enforcement officer.
on July 24,2013 | 01:46PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Kalaheo's point is well taken, however Keith is right too- haha, if you've ever lived in a mainland big city- cops kick nonviolent seated suspects ALL THE TIME.
on July 24,2013 | 05:17PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Elderts was not sitting when Deedy kicks him.
on July 24,2013 | 01:46PM
Mypualani wrote:
Sitting or standing does it matter? Even if Elderts was standing on his hands does that make it okay for the agent to approach threaten then kick? Dang !!!
on July 24,2013 | 05:32PM
Pocho wrote:
Here's the thing, the fact. Eldert's started the whole tragedy that got him killed. He used Racial stereotyping against a McD patron. Bro, you try doing that in a Chicago McD's hood
on July 24,2013 | 07:14AM
BIG wrote:
yep
on July 24,2013 | 07:34AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Yep", ....call a black guy in a Chicago hood a Hawaiian word for Caucasian, and you'll get what Pocho got.
on July 24,2013 | 07:52AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Pocho should know.
on July 24,2013 | 07:36AM
Mypualani wrote:
We not in Chicago poncho, as for talking to the other guy Parrine do you even know what he told the guy? It's going to come out in testimony from one of the cashiers. The H word is also a proper Hawaiian word, no doubt used in a very hateful way. But to be killed for it? No not even close.
on July 24,2013 | 01:25PM
TigerEye wrote:
Sure, training... Are they also taught to repeatedly shout things like "I'm gonna shoot you in the face!?" No way would a challenge such as that de-escalate a potentially violent encounter with an in-your-face drunk, or even give your LEO a tactical advantage.
on July 24,2013 | 10:22AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
That's what I think too. The kick is a standard move to get someone to back up.
on July 24,2013 | 01:45PM
Mypualani wrote:
Why' would he go up to a guy sitting down threaten said guy then kicks guy to make him back up...? Just asking. what I would like to know is why? Why woul he go up to some drunk moke sitting down and instigate a response from him?
on July 24,2013 | 02:16PM
yhls wrote:
Droid is right. There's a mountain of evidence and testimony against Deedy's self-defense claim. This clearly was not justifiable deadly force. Either way, Deedy's career is over.
on July 24,2013 | 06:08AM
xxNOTxx wrote:
Deedy's career & life is over, as he once knew it---Deedy felt he was the "law" or "above the law", either way, hopefully the jury will put Deedy away for a long long time.
on July 24,2013 | 07:12AM
control wrote:
yes, and elderts was a total angel. NOT. More likely he will get a manslaughter conviction and be put away for 10 years. Yes, it's true, as the prosecutor builds his/her case there will be a mountain of evidence, but it will be up to a good defense attorney to disprove the charges. Like OJ and other cases, it isn't really guilty or innocense, it's really how good your lawyer is that determine the verdict.
on July 24,2013 | 08:50AM
8082062424 wrote:
There was no video is in the OJ case of the murder. there is in this case
on July 24,2013 | 12:07PM
Mypualani wrote:
Who said Kollin was an angel? He didn't have the gun while bar hopping, he was sitting down when Deedy approached, so I guess Deedy is the angel, shouting I am going to shot your face.
on July 24,2013 | 01:28PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
Control, I'm sure glad you're not on the jury---Eldert's past has nothing to do with what happened that night. Eldert was just sitting there minding his own business waiting for his buger when he was confronted by Deedy and his friends.
on July 24,2013 | 03:29PM
ryan02 wrote:
That first kick will cost us taxpayers a lot of money. The US government will be sued big time, and the muiti-million dollar judgments will be paid by our tax dollars. I guess the US can argue that Deedy was not on-duty and no liability should fall on the US for his violation of rules by drinking while carrying a gun, kicking an unarmed man in order to force a confrontation, etc. But Deedy was here in Hawaii on business to begin with. Another federal agent was the one who planted the racial seed in Deedy's mind. Deedy's gun was supplied by the government. A lot of people in McDonlads were put in danger that night when Deedy started this fight and then began shooting wildly, and they will all sue. The government can try to recoup money from Deedy, but he'll just declare bankruptcy and we the taxpayers will be left footing the bill.
on July 24,2013 | 07:01AM
control wrote:
sorry but it looks like some else actually started the fight, deedy's friend who got his b tt kicked. deedy stepped in after it got started. yes the govt will be sued.
on July 24,2013 | 08:52AM
hapaguy wrote:
You have got the facts of that case all wrong. Non one disputes that Deedy threw the first blow, a thrust kick to Elderts. Its AFTER the kick that Gutowski gets involved by attacking Elderts...
on July 24,2013 | 10:46AM
Mythman wrote:
The extremely able Michael Green, Esq is standing by to sue the US of A for the family, is what I heard?
on July 24,2013 | 01:53PM
soundofreason wrote:
"When Deedy fell, Elderts went to another fight by a side exit door, then went back to Deedy when the agent stood up, Jobe said.">>> Went BACK?? Deedy at fault for the first fight. Elderts at fault for the second.
on July 24,2013 | 07:21AM
soundofreason wrote:
and the second one is what got him killed so we'll focus on that one.
on July 24,2013 | 07:55AM
hapaguy wrote:
The whole melee, from Deedy's first assault on Elderts to the time Deedy shot and killed Elderts only lasted 35 SECONDS! Deedy assaulted Elderts first so it's only natural that Elderts wouldn't let Deedy sneak up behind him and assault him again!
on July 24,2013 | 10:45AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Or he could just walk away and not get shot for it.
on July 24,2013 | 01:48PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I don't know about that. By that point, Deedy had administered a potentially deadly kick to the chest and threatened to "shoot Elderts in face." If I were in Eldert's place, I would consider Deedy a immediate threat to my life.
on July 24,2013 | 06:51PM
8082062424 wrote:
Deedy attacked Elderts. Are you saying elderts should have just stood there and waited for the second attack ? Not to mention Deddy was pulling a gun
on July 24,2013 | 08:16AM
Mypualani wrote:
Yeah it sounds like it, now had two separate incidents between Elderts and Deedy? Two different fights I don't think so.
on July 24,2013 | 01:31PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
I guess this tells us that even if a federal employee has a permit to carry a gun while visiting Hawai`i, he/she should not carry it while out drinking, bar-hopping and partying in our town. I hope this will also lead to some improvements in how federal "agents" are hired and trained. If they way the "agents" are always on duty (we've heard that about law enforcement officers too) then they should be told not to drink on the job. This death could have been prevented if Deedy had left his gun at home.
on July 24,2013 | 07:23AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
KeithHaugen wrote: If they way the "agents" are always on duty (we've heard that about law enforcement officers too) then they should be told not to drink on the job.

Actually, the State Dept has a strict policy against carrying guns while drinking. Mr Deedy chose to ignore it.


on July 24,2013 | 07:58AM
aomohoa wrote:
Even if he is found not guilty he will still be in deep doodoo with his superiors.
on July 24,2013 | 09:31AM
allie wrote:
he will be fired
on July 24,2013 | 11:45AM
allie wrote:
agree..he was very poorly trained
on July 24,2013 | 11:44AM
honopic wrote:
Perhaps he wasn't given a free ride at UH based on his ethnicity. Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 24,2013 | 03:54PM
control wrote:
Haugen, like a broken record we continue to be nauseated by your continued diatribes every day. guess we have to put up with you every day until the trial is over.
on July 24,2013 | 08:55AM
kolohepalu wrote:
He makes alot more sense than you.
on July 24,2013 | 05:19PM
Mythman wrote:
Just as a practical matter, where does someone who has a conceal carry permit park his rod when going out on the town when staying in a hotel? Is there a safe in the hotel office where a rod is stashed. What if the rod is stolen because the agent stored it, as you imply he should have. Plenty of folks conceal carry and only use when necessary in self defense. That's the whole idea of conceal carry..
on July 24,2013 | 01:56PM
joseph007 wrote:
how long is this trial going to be on? getting ridiculous now with these trials, I think the judge, prosecutor and defense should all wear clown costumes, these trials have turned into circuses.
on July 24,2013 | 07:52AM
Mythman wrote:
A circus and a trial in a local court is one of the best analogies I have read here in a long time - the performers in a circus are highly trained to present an illusion, like dogs enjoy walking around on their hind legs and lions enjoy being "tamed"......good one....
on July 24,2013 | 01:58PM
Mypualani wrote:
"Smiles" thank you for that
on July 24,2013 | 02:19PM
control wrote:
seems that gutowski might have started the incident and is trying to cover his behind with vague responses. elderts and his friend got into a scuffle with him and then deedy tried to intervene. maybe if gutowski didn't start it then elderts might be alive also.
on July 24,2013 | 08:23AM
BigOpu wrote:
I get more entertainment from reading these comments then actually following the details of the story. Some of you guys crack me up. I mean the situation is no laughing matter, but some of these comments are.
on July 24,2013 | 08:45AM
control wrote:
welcome to the nut house.
on July 24,2013 | 08:59AM
aomohoa wrote:
I think BigOpu is new here:) I use to think the same thing. Now I am part of the nut house. LOL
on July 24,2013 | 09:32AM
BigOpu wrote:
Nah, not new, just amused...on to the Chow and football comments for more laughs.
on July 25,2013 | 06:16AM
Mythman wrote:
Yeah, the agent and his Tulane frat body were on the prowl in C-town and Kiki looking for some local boy arse to kick......that's why the agent was carrying his rod, because he was defending the US of A against those who want to restore the monarchy.....
on July 24,2013 | 01:59PM
s_and_b wrote:
"There is ample evidence, however, that Deedy initiated a confrontation with Elderts not the least of which is McDonald’s security video clearly showing Elderts sitting down minding his own business (which at the time was waiting for his food order to come up) until Deedy walks over to Elderts and gets in his face." That's what I saw when I viewed the video...GUILTY Same like the TM case...you go looking and asking for trouble cause you packing - in this case, he ain't going be found innocent...
on July 24,2013 | 08:46AM
PokeStop wrote:
Guilty or Not-Guilty who cares! Another punk is taken off the streets of Waikiki. Over the years, Waikiki has gotten to be a jungle of invested criminals who prey on the tourist to subsidize their drug habits. True locals (Hawaiian, Filipino, Chinese, Japanese, Caucasian, Korean, etc.) don't venture into Waikiki after 10pm. Nothing good happens in the late night or wee hours of the morning!
on July 24,2013 | 08:46AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
I guarantee hapaguy and kolohepalu WILL curse you and defend Elderts to the death, just because he's a Hawaii born local. They are probably justifying the act of the Paakaula's from 2007, since they were born here as well.
on July 24,2013 | 09:12AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote: I guarantee hapaguy and kolohepalu WILL curse you and defend Elderts to the death, just because he's a Hawaii born local.

I don't care if Elderts was born here or on the moon. I don't care who his ancestors were either.

I care that an unarmed guy sitting with his friends waiting for a sack of burgers was approached, assaulted, and then shot dead.

Also. Elderts had two prior convictions. One for DUI and another disorderly conduct. There is zero evidence to suggest that he was part of "a jungle of invested criminals who prey on the tourist to subsidize their drug habits." None. Slandering a dead man isn't very nice.


on July 24,2013 | 11:06AM
hapaguy wrote:
I've never cursed anyone on here. Can't anyway because of the "Comment Sent For Approval" censoring that the StarAdvertiser does. But you are right about one thing: I will defend my brothers (and sisters) if they are assaulted by and then shot to death by an outsider.....
on July 24,2013 | 11:21AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Would you do that if Deedy shot and killed Kelii Acasia or Benjamin Pada? You'd be a fool if you would!
on July 24,2013 | 02:12PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Ldub once again demonstrates his lack of insight and thinking power. I have not defended Elderts- didn't know him. All I know is, a drunk fed pulled a gun in a fight he was losing. If the victim had been another drunk white tourist, he would have been just as guilty. What is annoying are all the apologists for Deedy, trying to mitigate his poor judgement and cowardly actions by demeaning Elderts: "yeah, Deedy was wrong, but. . but . . but. ." no- Deedy was WRONG- end of story.
on July 24,2013 | 05:44PM
allie wrote:
much truth in that,,but some of us have to work there at night
on July 24,2013 | 11:46AM
lookup wrote:
DISAGREE! Locals will stand their ground when insulted or challenged. If those who are visitors or come from another background do not understand that most locals are easy going and fun loving then the problem is theirs. Who is the crazy person who told Deedy to go to downtown bars where even locals know it is there that anyone would find trouble. Maybe it was there that Deedy got irritated and when he returned to Waikiki he was looking for trouble. Everyone can get along with anyone if they respect other people and mind their own business. As far as the jungle of Waikiki...most of the people I have seen and heard of that are acting like animals on the streets of Waikiki are those who have transplanted here and may be jobless as well as homeless. Waikiki is where decent nightlife is and locals who want to get out with friends, do some clubing, etc. like to go into Waikiki to party especailly on their day off of work Oh yeah, if you don't care then why are u even reading this article!
on July 24,2013 | 11:46AM
Mythman wrote:
Oh, yeah, night and day, literally
on July 24,2013 | 02:01PM
kolohepalu wrote:
First- you are utterly wrong about Waikiki after 10- it is filled with local people who live and work there. Our lower class elements are a reflection of our racial demographics in general. If you were in Alabama, you'd see trailer parks.
on July 24,2013 | 05:39PM
john_zee wrote:
never bring a slipper to a gun fight
on July 24,2013 | 08:50AM
gobows wrote:
lol...that is funny.
on July 24,2013 | 09:17AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Not funny when john zee calls a slippah ...."slipper". john zee must be a malihini.
on July 24,2013 | 09:54AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
so what if he calls them slippers? so what if he malihini? your racial bias is showing again. you need an attitude adjustment.
on July 24,2013 | 07:47PM
john_zee wrote:
I know the difference, I was just quoting from the story!
on July 25,2013 | 04:57AM
false wrote:
New tee shirt. Slippah anyone?
on July 24,2013 | 06:18PM
aomohoa wrote:
New bumper sticker? LOL
on July 24,2013 | 09:33AM
Shh wrote:
Bwahahaha! Seriously...talk about a dud!
on July 24,2013 | 02:27PM
sloturle wrote:
ho cuz the slippah vs the gun
on July 24,2013 | 09:22AM
Anonymous wrote:
There are good points made in this post. My take is that when Deedy kicked Elderts, he crossed the line from law enforcement officer to instigator of a criminal act. At that point his decision was to start a fight which is NOT law enforcement procedure. Of course, his attorney will put a spin on this very crucial aspect of the events leading to Eldert's death. The kick may be what will kill the defense's effort to have Deedy exonerated. This agent simply was looking for a fight and got it. Now he is trying to weasel out of responsibility now that he is sober. If this man gets off scot free, there will be an outrage over miscarriage of justice and rightfully so. The fact that Eldert was part and parcel to the events does not absolve Deedy of his actions which were and are unacceptable of a law enforcement officer or otherwise.
on July 24,2013 | 10:25AM
hapaguy wrote:
Good Points Anonymous. When you physically strike someone first that's called ASSAULT but of course the Deedy supporters will say that it was a "defensive maneuver"
on July 24,2013 | 10:35AM
hapaguy wrote:
Kailuaraised, control, Ldub20 and all you other Deedy supporters out there, let's see if you can answer this with intellectual honesty or at least give a coherent explanation: If Elderts was the aggressor (one of you said he was "going bananas") why did he turn to help Medeiros and not just beat the snot out of Deedy when he had Deedy on the ground?
on July 24,2013 | 10:53AM
gobows wrote:
the instructions by the judge will be critical. I'm wondering how much cause and effect comes into play. Once the gun gets pulled out, Elderts should have pulled back. But he didnt. I'm not sure how much "who started it" can be used to convict Deedy. I might be wrong. But, if you see that Elderts was aggressor when the gun gets pulled, this is why Deedy's lawyer is trying to go for the Self Defense verdict. There may be someone in the jury with this same perspective and if he can stick to his view and or convince others of the same.......hung jury or innocent.
on July 24,2013 | 11:40AM
hapaguy wrote:
You have some good points but i'm not sure I agree with some of your points. I've said this many times on here that I don't believe that the assaulter (the person who started it in this case Deedy) can later claim self defense in the shooting. I also don't agree that when in the middle of a struggle someone pulls a gun on you at point blank range you can just "pull back" as you said. Especially after they have already stated many times that they are going to "shoot you in the face".
on July 24,2013 | 12:38PM
gobows wrote:
I know. I'm not sure how you cannot judge the entire incident from beginning to end. With everything that was said in-between too. You think the jury almost has to, right? But if the judge narrows it down, to when the gun gets pulled out, who's grabbing the gun and wrestling with the person holding the gun......auwe!....going get alot of unhappy locals if that happens.
on July 24,2013 | 12:51PM
hapaguy wrote:
Agreed!
on July 24,2013 | 01:08PM
Mypualani wrote:
Agreed go
on July 24,2013 | 02:21PM
false wrote:
If that's the case, start at the beginning, watch Elderts and Medeiros ordering their food. They are gregarious. Even in mime they are happy and funny. Wow! Unbelievable the end that comes in 20 minutes or less to live.
on July 24,2013 | 06:22PM
Mypualani wrote:
Um it states clearly in the defense laws statute that y if: (i) The actor is a public officer acting in the performance of his duties or a person lawfully assisting him therein or a person making or assisting in a lawful arrest; or (ii) The actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily injury. (5) The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section if: (a) The actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or (b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that: (i) The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and This will be the instructions given to the jury this is Hawaii's laws on the books.
on July 24,2013 | 05:42PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Because he didn't. The key part is when they're separated and Elderts goes back for more and reaches for the gun.
on July 24,2013 | 01:52PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
Very true
on July 24,2013 | 02:13PM
false wrote:
How would you respond to a gun facing and words: "I'm going to shoot you in the face"?
on July 24,2013 | 06:23PM
soundofreason wrote:
Give 'em the bird and walk away.
on July 24,2013 | 07:53PM
inverse wrote:
This trial is big news and should be reported in the SA but why zero to no daily updates on the Caucasian guy in W Oahu who was killed with a chokehold NOT by HPD but by an off duty Fireman who got his truck stolen and wanted to retrieve his truck (with a GPS device hidden in the truck) with the HPD officer who allegedly was heard saying something like "this is what happens when you steal from a Hawaiian"? My point is the reporting by S A of the Deedy trial is so one-sided and inflammatory, why not report with the same effort and coverage of the Dinaan chokehold death?
on July 24,2013 | 11:08AM
gobows wrote:
true. but, nobody's talking in that case. so no news is no news. where's keoki kerr?
on July 24,2013 | 11:32AM
hapaguy wrote:
I'm not trying to defend the StarAdvertiser but maybe it's because that case hasn't gone to trial yet?
on July 24,2013 | 11:38AM
lookup wrote:
The lack of reporting on the Dinaan case is because the media cannot get there facts straight. The story is so full of holes that it is rediculous. The ony reporting seems to be coming from the attorey for the Dinaan family who was not there and does not have a clue to the true facts. all the attorney is trying to do is build a civil case for the sake of $$$$$
on July 24,2013 | 11:57AM
gobows wrote:
And what was the role or non-role of the HPD officer in this case? He just let the guy choke Dinaan? Where's the video??...lol
on July 24,2013 | 12:54PM
lookup wrote:
No video brah...dis happened in Waimanalo in somebodies driveway. I guess da attorney neva tink of dat senerio yet but i think that it took both the HPD officer who was probably trying to handcuff Dinnan white the fireman was holding on to him, I guess by the neck. But keep checking the news cause another story may come ourt soon.
on July 24,2013 | 02:22PM
Mypualani wrote:
You are very right gobows
on July 24,2013 | 02:23PM
jess wrote:
I never even heard about that! There have been more stories about the royal baby than any real news...
on July 24,2013 | 12:53PM
Mythman wrote:
What's ironic is it was the detritus of the ali'i that started the identity of a local with brown skin as "Hawaiian" - remember that after Cook Chinese and White hooked up with Kam 1 and his crew and became "Hawaiian" "royalty" and got into politics. Now why would you not say the US of A is illegally occupying your country when you are one of the ali'i who actually did lose out when Hawaii became a republic? Rice v Cayetano pointed out the difference between the "Hawaiians" and the native Hawaiians, and the SA has just run a series of articles trying to educate everyone about this difference after failing to do its job back in 1999. come on, now. I'm going down to kiki tonight to get a slice of pizza and a beer to take out.....
on July 24,2013 | 02:07PM
Mypualani wrote:
Inverse it was the owner of the stolen truck who is reported to saying that and now it seems he caused the lethal injuries to the man who died.
on July 24,2013 | 02:23PM
inverse wrote:
Yes, need to make correction, that it was the fireman who was alleged to make the statement and not the HPD officer. HOWEVER the big question, why did the HPD officer allow the fireman to participate in the actual apprehension and arrest of Dinaan? Was the HPD officer by himself and in danger of being overpowered, possibly losing his weapon to Dinaan, therefore the fireman need to get involve and lay some serious hits on Dinaan, including a chokehold that eventually killed him? My point and how directly relates to the Elderts/Deedy case, when things happen fast, it is not so straightforward,how things can turn bad real fast. The McD's "video" is NOT a video, rather just a string of still images with NO audio so anyone can interpret the video any which way on who is at fault. Elderts, like Trayvon Martin, and now Dinaan, all did not deserve to die, but ALL cases are NOT clear cut that people like Elderts, Martin and Dinaan, have contributed to their own death.
on July 24,2013 | 03:30PM
Mypualani wrote:
Very good question indeed, chance is high that the fireman and police officer knew each other. We live on an Island and professional blah blah blah.
on July 24,2013 | 05:46PM
false wrote:
It wasn't clear who did the chokehold until the ME made its report. The HPD was doing their investigation. Now that truck owner may be rethinking his behavior. Sad. How did the civilian know where to go?
on July 24,2013 | 06:26PM
lokela wrote:
This is a fun case. Everyone throwing B.S. at one another.
on July 24,2013 | 12:13PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The prosecution is worthless. Who calls a witness and then has to ask the judge for permission because it's going badly? It's going to get crazy when the defense get their chance.
on July 24,2013 | 01:54PM
Mypualani wrote:
Ahhhh Lol
on July 24,2013 | 02:24PM
Mypualani wrote:
y if: (i) The actor is a public officer acting in the performance of his duties or a person lawfully assisting him therein or a person making or assisting in a lawful arrest; or (ii) The actor believes that such force is necessary to protect himself against death or serious bodily injury. (5) The use of deadly force is not justifiable under this section if: (a) The actor, with the intent of causing death or serious bodily injury, provoked the use of force against himself in the same encounter; or (b) The actor knows that he can avoid the necessity of using such force with complete safety by retreating or by surrendering possession of a thing to a person asserting a claim of right thereto or by complying with a demand that he abstain from any action which he has no duty to take, except that: (i) The actor is not obliged to retreat from his dwelling or place of work, unless he was the initial aggressor or is assailed in his place of work by another person whose place of work the actor knows it to be; and This will be the instructions given to the jury this is Hawaii's laws on the books.
on July 24,2013 | 03:17PM
false wrote:
Sheesh. You all sound like us "seniors" on Sunday morning at McDonalds, dissecting why UH lost again. Hey, whose turn to get more coffee?
on July 24,2013 | 04:06PM
wiliki wrote:
It's clear that Elderts and Madeiros were violent in their confrontations with Deedy and his friend. And when Eldert went after Deedy's gun, self-defense is obvious and necessary.
on July 24,2013 | 04:56PM
Mypualani wrote:
You so funny.
on July 24,2013 | 05:47PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Yes. I was especially struck by how violent they were, sitting at their table waiting for their order, before the peaceful Mr Deedy came over to peacefully threaten to shoot him in the face and then delivered a peaceful kick to his chest before peacefully shooting him in the chest.

Have you watched the video? Have you listened to the witness testimony?


on July 24,2013 | 07:06PM
eknu wrote:
alle is a brain washed disciple of konklin and all the kanaka maoli know what is up with that in fact could be konklins alter ego posing as a white race baiting (actually kanaka maoli) hating female sounds about right
on July 24,2013 | 07:10PM
TheMajority wrote:
He kicked the drunk kid when the fool rushed up on him. This was after dd identifed himself. Not Guilty still.
on July 24,2013 | 09:42PM
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