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Witness: Elderts was on top of Deedy when shots rang out

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 06:10 p.m. HST, Jul 31, 2013


A McDonald’s cashier testified this morning that Kollin Elderts was on top of State Department special agent Christopher Deedy on the restaurant floor and punching him when she heard two gunshots.

Brandalynn Salzbrenner was called as a prosecution witness, but under cross-examination by Deedy’s defense lawyer Brook Hart, she acknowledged that Elderts pushed Deedy who fell backwards.

Elderts was straddling Deedy when she heard the shots, the cashier said.

When later questioned by city Deputy Prosecutor Janice Futa, Salzbrenner said Elderts didn’t “wind back” when punching Deedy.

She described the blows as “soft punches.”

Salzbrenner started her testimony Wednesday and ended it this morning in the 12th day of Deedy’s trial on a charge of murdering Elderts, 23, of Kailua.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., who was here to provide security at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference, is charged with shooting Elderts at about 2:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2011 at the McDonald’s Kuhio Avenue restaurant.

The prosecution is alleging Deedy was fueled by alcohol and inexperience in shooting the unarmed Elderts, while the defense contends Deedy fired in self defense as Elderts grabbed for the agent’s gun.

Salzbrenner testified she saw Deedy pull out his gun and fire a shot at Elderts, who then pushed the agent backwards.

That first shot hit Elderts, the cashier said.

The defense contends it was the third shot that fatally hit the Kailua man in the chest.

Police witnesses said they found two bullet holes in the restaurant wall from the two other gunshots.






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gobows wrote:
hERE WE go!!!!!!
on July 25,2013 | 12:09PM
hapaguy wrote:
For all you Deedy supporters out there that claim that Deedy never fired until Elderts went for the gun when they were struggling: "Salzbrenner testified she saw Deedy pull out his gun and fire a shot at Elderts, who then pushed the agent backwards. That first shot hit Elderts, the cashier said."
on July 25,2013 | 12:12PM
gobows wrote:
haha...yeah, i saw that too...oh my.....BUT, the defense is contending it was the third shot that hit Elderts. We'll have to wait and see what evidence they got to prove that. But, I agree, if the jury believes the cashier, Deedy is toast.
on July 25,2013 | 12:23PM
tiki886 wrote:
If Elderts was hit with the first shot, he would have dropped dead immediately and there would be no need to fire two more shots.
on July 25,2013 | 12:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
Not true. One of my best friends served in Vietnam and he was shot three times on two separate occasions. He said that one of the times he got shot he only felt a thud than later realized he was shot. He continued to work on his patient. My friend was a medic.....
on July 25,2013 | 12:43PM
gobows wrote:
Adrenaline.
on July 25,2013 | 12:56PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
This is in McDonalds and not a combat scenario. Your so called friend also did not take a handgun from a foot away. A shot at the close range will stop anyone especially when it hits center mass.
on July 25,2013 | 01:40PM
hapaguy wrote:
*sigh* Kraised you just keep on making stuff up to fit your version of events no matter what the testimony or evidence is. All the HPD officers were liars, all the witnesses are liars, the Prosecutor is a liar....etc. etc....
on July 25,2013 | 01:52PM
Pocho wrote:
how does she know how hard Deedy was getting punched on the ground? You don't need to windup like a windmill to give a devastating blow. If Bruce Lee was still around, he'd prove a 3" blow from a space between the head and fist could do some real harm
on July 25,2013 | 02:03PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
@hapaguy, and you keep making up crazy theories. I'm watching the video and using logic. IF Elderts was shot center mass from a foot away, he would drop immediately. This isn't the movies where the hero makes a last stand.
on July 25,2013 | 03:06PM
Nevadan wrote:
Kd: You do not know physics
on July 25,2013 | 04:26PM
hapaguy wrote:
I'm not the one making up crazy theories. You are. I am repeating testimony from trial unlike you who keep insisting that all the Prosecution witnesses are lying.
on July 25,2013 | 05:47PM
tiki886 wrote:
Or...Elderts could have been hit with the first shot and the remaining two shots missed because Elderts was already falling down. but I find it hard to believe that Deedy missed two times at close range. He would have been trained to aim the shots toward center body mass. Only forensics can determine that the two missed shots would have hit Elderts had he not already been falling by measuring the angle of the missed shots and how close the pistol was to his chest.
on July 25,2013 | 12:53PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Or .... Elderts could have" .............You make up another of your own version, if the first one didn't work.
on July 25,2013 | 01:07PM
gobows wrote:
OR.....we just wait for the evidence.....
on July 25,2013 | 01:21PM
Pocho wrote:
"if" Elderts didn't use the word "haole" this tragedy would never have happened
on July 25,2013 | 02:22PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Ha ole" is in the Hawaiian dictionary. It's a common Hawaiian word and it means Caucasion. Pocho wants this word to be connected with "tragedy". Stupid a..
on July 25,2013 | 04:44PM
Pocho wrote:
words can hurt the ego just as much a physical punch could
on July 25,2013 | 02:24PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Poncho,ha ole is part of a language. Always was.
on July 25,2013 | 04:21PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
You know as well as I that Eldert's was using the word "haole" in a highly derogatory fashion. Deedy handled this situation all wrong but that doesn't change the fact that this incident would never have happened if Eldert's had left Perrine alone to begin with. He also has a history of challenging police authority and assaulting people, it's not hard to believe that he wanted to continue fighting Deedy despite being told he was an armed federal agent and would shoot him. He is at least partly responsible for his own death.
on July 25,2013 | 05:23PM
Mypualani wrote:
No tiki not true he died from bleeding out into his chest cavity this whole thing happened in seconds.
on July 25,2013 | 01:49PM
false wrote:
Not so, the brain doesn't stop it's effort to follow through with surviving. One can even run even though shot in the chest. Autonomic response doesn't quit. It's the reptilian part of the brain.
on July 25,2013 | 04:29PM
tiki886 wrote:
Be careful, people going start calling you lizard.
on July 25,2013 | 07:00PM
allie wrote:
why on earth did Deedy get involved with any of this and why did he ever take a gun out? Manslaughter IMO.
on July 25,2013 | 12:29PM
silvangold wrote:
wow allie......first you say fry Deedy........now you change your tune......back it up.....all the way to SD.....or anywhere ELSE.....jes go go go go go GO GO GO
on July 25,2013 | 12:39PM
Shh wrote:
She does that so that she can say the words, "I've said that from the beginning....blah blah blah blah." To whatever outcome Deedy has.
on July 25,2013 | 01:09PM
tiki886 wrote:
Deedy wasn't trained how to deal with two pochos being pochos.
on July 25,2013 | 12:56PM
Mypualani wrote:
What is a pocho?
on July 25,2013 | 01:51PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Allie would call that a white person.
on July 25,2013 | 02:02PM
yrusodz wrote:
all-lies/Fred01:are the same person. Go back and read the comments aka Fred-allie
on July 25,2013 | 04:00PM
tiki886 wrote:
Go ask Frank De Lima.
on July 25,2013 | 04:27PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Frank calls himself a Pukiki, and not H-word.
on July 25,2013 | 05:08PM
tiki886 wrote:
Not. He one portagee.
on July 25,2013 | 06:53PM
hanalei395 wrote:
No, he's a Pukiki, he tells Portagee jokes.
on July 25,2013 | 07:13PM
false wrote:
This feed is so crazy and so ridiculously funny local style. It is real pukiki.
on July 25,2013 | 04:33PM
Mypualani wrote:
Agreed
on July 25,2013 | 04:40PM
tiki886 wrote:
No can help. Deedy wasn't trained at all in dealing wit pochos being pochos.

What is a pocho? Pocho is wat portagees call each odda. Non-portagees not supposed to call dem pocho. You suppose to call dem portagee. Right, Frank?


on July 25,2013 | 07:33PM
tiki886 wrote:
Two drunk portagees (da 'R' is silent) and two drunk h a o l e s is one combustable mixture.
on July 25,2013 | 07:49PM
Fred01 wrote:
Elderts got what he deserved.
on July 25,2013 | 02:18PM
copperwire9 wrote:
No one deserves to be murdered.
on July 25,2013 | 03:59PM
yrusodz wrote:
all-lies/Fred01:are the same person. Go back and read the comments aka Fred-allie
on July 25,2013 | 04:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
I am so cracking up right now on All lies / Fred.
on July 25,2013 | 04:41PM
false wrote:
You should leave the rock. We learned to order rank statuses from people who came. We get along and let live despite the stratifications. Look at who brought the gun.
on July 25,2013 | 04:34PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
hahahahaha .... sounds like you're in deep
on July 25,2013 | 05:14PM
GONEGOLFIN wrote:
yup, now the story takes a bit of turn and Deedy although was on the bottom getting punched out now could bring a different perspective and turn the burden of proof back to the prosecutor.
on July 25,2013 | 12:16PM
gobows wrote:
did anyone say MMA STYLE???.....lol......jus kidding....
on July 25,2013 | 12:24PM
false wrote:
Starting with slippah throwing. Need to put that on my car. "Watch out. I get slippah, too."
on July 25,2013 | 04:35PM
Mypualani wrote:
I want one.
on July 25,2013 | 04:42PM
WooWoo wrote:
the prosecutors should be prosecuted for prosecuting this case in such an incompetent manner. This witness caused more harm than good to the prosecutions case.
on July 25,2013 | 12:38PM
hapaguy wrote:
No not really because this witness testified that Deedy shot Elderts first, then they struggled which completely destroys the defense theory that Deedy shot only after Elderts and Deedy struggled for the gun....
on July 25,2013 | 12:48PM
WooWoo wrote:
her testimony is so shakey that her testimony "destroys" nothing. But the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was murder. If a juror says, "I'm not sure it wasn't self defense. Elderts was on top of him and punching him," then that's reasonable doubt. Or to phrase it another way, a juror would have to think that "I'm confident it wasn't self defense, even though he was on his back getting punched by the other guy," to vote to convict.
on July 25,2013 | 12:54PM
hapaguy wrote:
If she had testified that all three shots were fired when they were struggling then maybe what you are saying might make sense. But she testified that DEEDY SHOT FIRST AND THEN THEY STRUGGLED. She then said THE FIRST SHOT HIT ELDERTS. Now if the defense can provide a witness to contradict her then your statement about reasonable doubt would be relevant...
on July 25,2013 | 01:03PM
gobows wrote:
that's murder 2 hapa......right there.....shoot first, then struggle.....omg!
on July 25,2013 | 01:23PM
WooWoo wrote:
My statement about reasonable doubt is always relevant, because that is exactly what this is all about. The prosecution must prove its case BEYOND a reasonable doubt. That doesn't mean 51%, it means a lot more than that. So lots of conflicting testimony does not help the prosecution. A juror might reasonably think, "Well, I don't know which shot killed him because there was conflicting testimony and it would be easy for honest witnesses to have different recollections of such a confusing and stressful situation. But for sure the lady said Elderts was sitting on top of Deedy punching him in the face, which is pretty hard to hallucinate. And it's also pretty hard to punch somebody in the face when you've already been shot in the chest so badly that you die from it."
on July 25,2013 | 01:26PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm sure the defense will. The problem is the video doesn't show him shooting before the struggle. This isn't the movies. People don't just pull a gun and fire without posturing. The prosecution is worthless. Him being mounted is enough to get an acquittal.
on July 25,2013 | 01:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
WooWoo your comment above at 12:54 that I replied to does not say anything about "conflicting testimony" which you are now saying in your comment above at 1:23. Like I said, if the defense can provide a witness to contradict her then your comment about "conflicting testimony "would be valid
on July 25,2013 | 01:48PM
Mypualani wrote:
She was standing right there, the video does not have sound and when they both go down only one got up.
on July 25,2013 | 02:23PM
false wrote:
No wonder the McD people covered their ears. Shots were fired.
on July 25,2013 | 04:38PM
false wrote:
How hard could Elderts punch with a bullet in the chest? Throwing blows but where's the thrust coming from while bleeding out and then the burn on his cheek says Deedy fired another round while Elderts was flailing over him. Deedy should get it for public endangerment.
on July 25,2013 | 04:38PM
gobows wrote:
yeah....does the prosection even know what their witness going to say?
on July 25,2013 | 12:57PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Her testimony doesn't really coincide with the ME's about the injury to Elderts.
on July 25,2013 | 01:31PM
WooWoo wrote:
Yup. And I agree 100% with your comment above "Him being mounted is enough to get an acquittal." This trial was up in the air when we thought that Deedy was on his feet and had choices. But if the prosecution's own witness is going to say that Deedy was physically trapped and being assaulted, then game over.
on July 25,2013 | 01:43PM
Mypualani wrote:
Not if he fired the gun before falling. Hello
on July 25,2013 | 01:54PM
hapaguy wrote:
Not if Deedy shot first and then they struggled as the witness has testified to. Seems perfectly reasonable that you would defend yourself if a guy pulls a gun on you at short range and shoots you in the chest as the witness has testified to....
on July 25,2013 | 01:57PM
hapaguy wrote:
What it is that the ME testified to that doesn't jibe with Salzbrenner's testimony?
on July 25,2013 | 01:55PM
WooWoo wrote:
Hapa, go back and read the first paragraph of this story: "A McDonald’s cashier testified this morning that Kollin Elderts was on top of State Department special agent Christopher Deedy on the restaurant floor and punching him when she heard two gunshots." Then from yesterday's story, from the ME: "She said that partially burnt and unburnt gunpowder went through Elderts' plaid shirt, white undershirt and onto his skin, which meant the gun was fired anywhere from a half inch to 10 inches away." So I think a lot of people would think that Deedy was on his back getting pummeled by Elderts when he shot him. You don't have to agree; my point is that these witnesses are not helping the prosecution!
on July 25,2013 | 02:36PM
hapaguy wrote:
WooWoo I would agree with you that the headline and the beginning of the story is misleading if that's what you are trying to say. The reporter didn't report on the most important part of her testimony, that Deedy shot first then they struggled and it was the first shot that hit Elderts, until the end of the article. I can see readers, especially Deedy supporters, getting the pertinent facts confused. Hopefully the Prosecution laid out their case better than this reporter did....Regarding the ME's testimony, her testimony does not contradict todays witness (Salzbrenner) testimony....
on July 25,2013 | 02:56PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
@hapa, how do you explain Elderts continuing an attack after taking a bullet in the chest? That's why her testimony doesn't add up. There was only a split second on the video where the two were apart from each other. It doesn't even appear that Deedy got his weapon all the way out before Elderts swings at him.
on July 25,2013 | 03:09PM
hapaguy wrote:
Kraised If you would stop being so stubborn and google or youtube "Shot at close range" you will see many news reports of store clerks that were shot at close range and were still able to fend off their attacker. They did not drop dead on the spot as you keep insisting....
on July 25,2013 | 05:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
How so?
on July 25,2013 | 02:21PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The bullet went straight through his chest. That's a kill shot. There is no possible way that happened and Elderts continued attacking and the last two shots missed.
on July 25,2013 | 03:10PM
hapaguy wrote:
Kraised If you would stop being so stubborn and google or youtube "Shot at close range" you will see many news reports of store clerks that were shot at close range and were still able to fend off their attacker. They did not drop dead on the spot as you keep insisting....
on July 25,2013 | 05:50PM
Mythman wrote:
"incompetent" u got that rite - but then this is local government so what else is new?
on July 25,2013 | 12:57PM
Mypualani wrote:
At Kailua the ME said that Kollin bled out into his chest cavity, he did not die instantly from the chest shot it hit his lung not his heart, hear was still beating after shot then stopped because he bled out.
on July 25,2013 | 04:47PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Ok, so what? That's how a gun shot works. Getting shot from a foot away will stop you. You won't have the power to swing punches and tackle a guy.
on July 25,2013 | 05:14PM
hapaguy wrote:
Kraised If you would stop being so stubborn and google or youtube "Shot at close range" you will see many news reports of store clerks that were shot at close range and were still able to fend off their attacker. They did not drop dead on the spot as you keep insisting....
on July 25,2013 | 05:55PM
Mypualani wrote:
As long as she tells the truth of what she observed. There is video they are filling in the blanks.
on July 25,2013 | 01:52PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
The burden of proof is ALWAYS on the prosecutor.
on July 25,2013 | 01:59PM
dlum003 wrote:
Uh, haven't we been over all of this already gentlemen?
on July 25,2013 | 12:17PM
scooters wrote:
So what's a soft punch? She knows the difference. How?
on July 25,2013 | 12:19PM
kailua000 wrote:
i have no clue what a soft punch is. baby slaps to the face? so he didnt 'wind up" neither do boxers.
on July 25,2013 | 12:29PM
Mypualani wrote:
Maybe a soft punch could be: while passing out from loss of blood your punches get less harder. She said he was shot first then they went down. Yeah I can see that playing out. Defense my butt.
on July 25,2013 | 02:20PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Make sense, first shot hits Elderts, he's still able to push drunk Deedy back. He is falling on Deedy while trying to push the weapon away, soft punches indicate Elderts heart is failing, Deedy pulls shoots two more times with the bullets lodging to the right wall. Deedy is wondering why he can't shoot more, because the last casing " stove tops" in the ejection port. All of that blood on Deedys lower hip is a result of Elderts holding on for dear life before he expired. Did Deedy immediately perform aid? No he went to put on his slippers, fumble with it, then left it there where he placed it. Did he immediately claim that "drop" knife? Hmmm.
on July 25,2013 | 12:41PM
Mypualani wrote:
No he didn't
on July 25,2013 | 01:56PM
hanalei395 wrote:
After Deedy shoots Elderts with his first shot, Elderts, losing blood, was going down and went down fighting. And the punk coward Deedy, still in complete fear, shoots again.
on July 25,2013 | 01:56PM
Fred01 wrote:
Elderts deserved it. Local punk coward.
on July 25,2013 | 02:22PM
yrusodz wrote:
and would know how? allie /Fred? Fred-allie?
on July 25,2013 | 04:04PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
This isn't the movies. A bullet to center mass at close range will drop you. You won't go down fighting like in the video.
on July 25,2013 | 03:11PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Know of many cases where the victim got hit center mass and continued fighting. Eventually bled out. Most Feds carry 40 cal. At that time. But Deedy was issued a 9 mm. No stopping power.
on July 25,2013 | 04:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
Looks like it Nanakuli. Also the med examiner stated that Kollin's lung was punctured and he bled out into his chest cavity.
on July 25,2013 | 04:54PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
No you don't. Please show me one actual case. Getting shot center mass from close range will stop you. You're not going to have the superman power to swing and tackle a guy.
on July 25,2013 | 05:16PM
hapaguy wrote:
If you would stop being so stubborn and google or youtube "shot at close range" you will see many news reports of store clerks that were shot at close range and did not drop dead instantaneously. They were still able to fight off their assailant. So stop with the idiotic "center mass, drop dead" nonsense....
on July 25,2013 | 05:45PM
hapaguy wrote:
If you would stop being so stubborn and google or youtube "Shot at close range" you will see many news reports of store clerks that were shot at close range and were still able to fend off their attacker. They did not drop dead on the spot as you keep insisting....
on July 25,2013 | 05:49PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "No you don't. Please show me one actual case. Getting shot center mass from close range will stop you."

That's a common and dangerous myth.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-center-mass-myth-and-ending-a-gunfight-triggernometry/


on July 25,2013 | 10:47PM
Mypualani wrote:
What a stupid question, do you know the difference
on July 25,2013 | 02:21PM
niimi wrote:
That proves it, self defense. Stand your ground! Deedy is innocent.
on July 25,2013 | 12:21PM
hapaguy wrote:
You can't assault someone like Deedy did when he kicked Elderts, then later shoot him dead and claim self defense. Also, Hawaii does not have a Stand Your Ground Law.......
on July 25,2013 | 12:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL self defense? Yeah sure.
on July 25,2013 | 01:56PM
stingray65 wrote:
Elderts, with good number of alcohol in his blood, plus whatever kind of drug he had before coming at the McDonald, trying to bully folks inside..Showing off being tough local dude.. Unfortunately, found his match!! With a gun!! Guess what? He cannot bully anyone anymore!! I keep wondering tough guys, never volunteers to go to war ! Then maybe die with honor!!
on July 25,2013 | 12:21PM
allie wrote:
local dudes are as tough as a malasada hon.
on July 25,2013 | 12:30PM
Aquarius1 wrote:
Hey, expert in culture and races, it's "malassada", Hon. LOL!
on July 25,2013 | 12:58PM
tiki886 wrote:
Two pochos being pochos as Frank Delima would say.
on July 25,2013 | 12:59PM
kalai wrote:
I think if everyone ignores Allie she just might go away. She feeds off of responses.
on July 25,2013 | 01:13PM
Shh wrote:
She needs attention is why. No matter if it is negative attention she loves it.
on July 25,2013 | 01:52PM
Mypualani wrote:
No chance it will just say something that will push bottons, Allie used to be Alice. Years ago on here.
on July 25,2013 | 01:58PM
jusjoking wrote:
she was Egyptian goddess or princess years ago. H
on July 25,2013 | 05:57PM
nearby wrote:
I think y'all feed off her responses. It's like blood in the water when she comes out.
on July 25,2013 | 05:39PM
Shh wrote:
As if you would know.
on July 25,2013 | 01:21PM
yrusodz wrote:
all-lies/Fred01:are the same person. Go back and read the comments aka Fred-allie
on July 25,2013 | 03:53PM
WooWoo wrote:
the drugs in his system are not in dispute; marijuana, cocaine, and alcohol.
on July 25,2013 | 12:34PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Strange stingray, I thought tough guys do volunteer?
on July 25,2013 | 12:43PM
eknu wrote:
your comments show that you have no idea of what honor is not a clue
on July 25,2013 | 12:56PM
Mypualani wrote:
Sting what would you know about honor?
on July 25,2013 | 02:17PM
dontbelieveinmyths wrote:
Sounds like Eldert's friend Medeiros started it all. I wonder how he feels. Put him on the stand.
on July 25,2013 | 02:50PM
false wrote:
Thought he was suppose to be on today.
on July 25,2013 | 04:45PM
Mypualani wrote:
He went on the stand today, keep up.
on July 25,2013 | 04:56PM
kailua000 wrote:
soft punches? oh next it will be little girlie slaps to the face.
on July 25,2013 | 12:28PM
Mypualani wrote:
She can only testify as to what she saw. Why the ridicule ? And meanness you know you come on here and talk about how Elderts was a loudmouth and such, you ain't no better.
on July 25,2013 | 02:17PM
false wrote:
Having been shot, there thrust was diminished by the loss of blood but the brain was in survival mode and going to fight to the end and did.
on July 25,2013 | 04:46PM
WooWoo wrote:
wow, what kind prosecutor is this that calls a witness that testifies that the defendant was on his back getting punched in the head? I understand it was under cross-examination, but still, not that hard of across, yeah? And the prosecutor's come-back? "Nah, was only soft kine punch, yeah? like maybe jus' joke kine. yeah?"
on July 25,2013 | 12:29PM
hapaguy wrote:
The point of the testimony was that Deedy shot Elderts FIRST, then they struggled. This testimony completely destroys the defense theory that Elderts was shot while they struggled for the gun...
on July 25,2013 | 12:52PM
Mythman wrote:
That's why I prefer my trusty old 1917 model 45 automatic, which when you are hit by just the first round, it puts you on your arse even when you are charging me. And then there is the 357 mag - you talk about a stopper. OMG. The glock is a wimp arse piece.........
on July 25,2013 | 01:01PM
hapaguy wrote:
Agreed!
on July 25,2013 | 01:06PM
gobows wrote:
glock is a pea shooter compared to those two.
on July 25,2013 | 01:24PM
tiki886 wrote:
But the .45 and the .357 has the tendency to go through the body and hit innocent bystanders. The 9mm bullet that was recovered from Elderts body was found just under the skin of his back. It was almost a through and through.

I know that my .44 magnum Desert Eagle would definitely put a hole through two or more people and through my neighbors house so I bought a 9mm and a .38 for close quarters inside my home.


on July 25,2013 | 01:42PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You envision close quarter combat in your house? Bet you don't get much family over.
on July 25,2013 | 01:56PM
hapaguy wrote:
lol...thanks for that NanakuliBoss!
on July 25,2013 | 01:59PM
tiki886 wrote:
I have to protect my family from criminals and left wing wackos like you.
on July 25,2013 | 03:03PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Well, right wing wackos like tiki should tell his neighbors his bullets may enter their air space. The worst my neighbors might get is a finger. But it won't kill anybody.
on July 25,2013 | 04:34PM
gobows wrote:
yes. pea shooters tend to stay in the body cavity when shot. isnt that why they issue them to the feds, whether state dept or fbi.
on July 25,2013 | 02:15PM
Mypualani wrote:
DESTROYS!
on July 25,2013 | 02:13PM
Mypualani wrote:
Could be Elderts was already fading out, he died from loss of blood.
on July 25,2013 | 02:14PM
HK888 wrote:
If Deedy didn't have a gun handy, I'm sure he wouldn't have made the first move and kicked a larger stronger guy like Elderts. He wanted to show he had the upper hand.........
on July 25,2013 | 12:39PM
silvangold wrote:
WASSUP HON>............ now you wanna claim to be on the other side????? now you say local dudes are SOFT????
on July 25,2013 | 12:43PM
Shh wrote:
She doesn't know what a local dude is, Remember, to her Elderts is considered white.
on July 25,2013 | 01:22PM
tiki886 wrote:
Elderts is "white". Half German and half pocho. Pocho is not Latino or Pacific Islander.

Protected Classes under Title VII prohibits discrimination on account of: Race or Color This category includes blacks, whites, persons of Latino or Asian origin or descent, and indigenous Americans (Eskimos, Native Hawaiians, Native Americans). The prohibition on discrimination based on "color" also has been interpreted by some courts to mean that a light-skinned black worker could pursue a discrimination case based on the actions of her darker-skinned supervisor. See, e.g., Walker v. Secretary of Treasury, IRS, 742 F. Supp. 670 (N.D. Ga. 1990), aff'd, 953 F.2d 650 (11th Cir.), cert. denied, 506 U.S. 853 (1992).


on July 25,2013 | 02:08PM
Shh wrote:
I know what a white person is...big deal with the German and Pocho...he is local.
on July 25,2013 | 02:54PM
Shh wrote:
Elderts is considered a local here...not a white person here.
on July 25,2013 | 03:00PM
tiki886 wrote:
Well good, at least nobody is playing the race card.

It's about two pochos being pochos and two h a o l e s being h a o l e s.


on July 25,2013 | 05:21PM
HK888 wrote:
I think Deedy felt he was no match against Elderts without his gun
on July 25,2013 | 01:09PM
zelda123 wrote:
You can kill someone for kicking your butt !!!
on July 25,2013 | 01:22PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
That's what I was saying. Bradda Elderts attacked Deedy because Deedy had his gun our. Elderts was trying to stop Deedy from using his weapon. If someone was shooting at you, wouldn't you jump on him and punch his lights out. Of course you would to save your life. BRADDA ELDERTS WAS THE ONE WHO WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS LIFE. DEEDY HAD THE GUN, NOT ELDERTS. Sooooo did I enlighten all of you. Plus the McDonalds worker said Deedy fired the first round that his Elderts, NOT THE THIRD SHOT. Deedy is "DEAD MEAT".
on July 25,2013 | 01:24PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yes you did handsome. Speaking for myself of course.
on July 25,2013 | 02:00PM
Fred01 wrote:
Elderts was total local trash with a big mouth who didn't know how to act, and who deserved what he got.
on July 25,2013 | 02:25PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
Fred, you have NO CLASS---maybe Elderts wasn't the best of persons, but he sure didn't deserve to get shot dead by an intoxicated agent trying to prove something.
on July 25,2013 | 04:17PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
You Fred have no honor. Thus I know you never served.
on July 25,2013 | 04:38PM
false wrote:
Be careful of what you speak. Look in the mirror.
on July 25,2013 | 04:50PM
Slow wrote:
Oh Fred, you are so provocative! And weeeely brave too.
on July 25,2013 | 05:29PM
zelda123 wrote:
since when..... can you shoot someone dead for besting you in a fight !
on July 25,2013 | 01:28PM
Fred01 wrote:
It's called self-defense, something local cowards like Elderts never count on.
on July 25,2013 | 02:27PM
gobows wrote:
ahhh....when he GRABS your GUN???
on July 25,2013 | 03:01PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The problem with testifying that he shot first before falling is that it doesn't add up to what the video shows and what the ME testified too. Either way, the prosecution is pretty poor. Why would they call a witness that makes Elderts look like a punk and was mounting Deedy?
on July 25,2013 | 01:30PM
hapaguy wrote:
Why do you keep insisting that you can tell from that crappy video when ANY of the shots were taken? Anyone with even an iota of intelligence would agree after watching that video that there is no way to ascertain when the shots were fired. YOU HAVE TO RELY ON WITNESS TESTIMONY FOR THAT. The reason why the prosecution called that witness is because SHE CONFIRMS THAT DEEDY SHOT ELDERTS FIRST AND THEN THEY STRUGGLED!
on July 25,2013 | 02:08PM
gobows wrote:
There will be more testimony about how many and when the shots were fired. Here we go!!!
on July 25,2013 | 03:02PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Ok, and what are you going to say when the defense calls a witness saying that didn't happen? He's a trained federal agent and probably drew his weapon thousands of times in practice. He doesn't ever have enough time to pull it out, aim and fire. And on top of that, why doesn't the prosecution introduce where the strays went? I'm guessing because it's poor for the prosecution.
on July 25,2013 | 03:17PM
Mypualani wrote:
Um no they showed the diagram earlier in the trial.
on July 25,2013 | 05:02PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
They showed where the strays went?
on July 25,2013 | 05:17PM
Slow wrote:
I am a Kailua guy. Apparently you too. Did Kollin slap you around in 7th grade at KIS? My sons knew him. He was not an angel or a devil. My youngest says he was shocked by the killing because Mighty Mouse (as Kollin was known in Kailua) had turned his life in a positive direction. He changed, my friend. Why do you hate and fear him so much?
on July 25,2013 | 05:36PM
hapaguy wrote:
Slow you make good comments. I have come to the conclusion that these Deedy supporters like Kailuaraised and Fred01 like the idea that a local boy has been shot dead. For whatever reason, maybe they were bullied when they were younger, maybe some big bad local boy stole their lunch money when they was kids, etc....no matter what evidence is presented in trial, no matter what the eyewitness testimony, the eyewitnesses are liars or the evidence is tainted. They like the idea that a local boy has been shot dead because, like they have said before many times on here, "we are trash", "we are lowlife punks", we are bully's" etc....
on July 25,2013 | 06:08PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Get over yourself. Only one witness so far has testified that the shot went off standing and it doesn't coincide with the video. Two, HPD testifies he's drunk and an actual DR doesn't see it. Things aren't lining up to be a slam dunk like you seem to think. I wasn't ever bullied, but I don't support guys who hate others for being an outsider like Elderts seemed to do.
on July 26,2013 | 01:49AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I didn't go to KIS. I knew him. He didn't change. If he did then why is he calling people the H word at two in the morning? The guy had a big mouth and it was only a matter of time before it caught up to him.
on July 26,2013 | 01:46AM
hapaguy wrote:
You ask me "...what are you going to say when the defense calls a witness saying that didn't happen?" I'm not sure. I would have to wait and see what that witness (if any) will say. I tell you what I won't do though is to claim that they are liars just because their testimony doesn't fit into my agenda, like you do......
on July 25,2013 | 06:00PM
MKN wrote:
I think we need to see the ballistics report and see when and where each shot was fired to make an accurate determination of exactly what happened. That will either backup her (and the prosecution's) version of events or the defense's version. Still lots more evidence to come via testimony, so this should be interesting.
on July 25,2013 | 01:33PM
Mypualani wrote:
If you look at the M.E. 's drawings / victims body the bullet goes at a downward angle from top to downward isn't Agent Deedy Taller than Elderts ? Hmmmm.
on July 25,2013 | 02:10PM
MKN wrote:
That could go either way because that angle could be replicated either in a standing position (Deedy being taller than Elderts and Deedy firing at him a few feet away shooting downwards) or being mounted on position (Elderts moving his body forward while on top of Deedy when the gun was fired). Like I said, we need to see the ballistics report that states how all three shots were fired and when. Also, the last witness only heard 2 shots. Why didn't she hear the third shot? I still reserve judgement until all the facts come out.
on July 25,2013 | 04:00PM
Mypualani wrote:
Point well taken MNK
on July 25,2013 | 05:03PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I find it hard to believe that Deedy fired before the struggle. It doesn't show in the video for one. Two, this isn't the movies. People drop when they take a bullet to the chest at close range. The whole thing about drugs and adrenaline is over exaggerated. Getting shot at that close of a range will stop you. There is no possible way Elderts would have enough power to tackle Deedy and start punching him from above. Remember, the ME testified the bullet went all the way through and lodged near his back. We need to hear where the other bullets ended up.
on July 25,2013 | 01:37PM
Mypualani wrote:
Maybe it does and we can't hear it. So when did the shots go off, as for the soft punches, could it be that Elderts was already hit and his use of force was simply weak? Just asking please don't get all offended and no I am not challenging your opinion just asking.
on July 25,2013 | 02:12PM
tiki886 wrote:
All the evidence has not been presented yet. I could be wrong but I think the Prosecution has not rested it case for the Defense to take their turn yet so right now it's all speculation but what you say does make sense.
on July 25,2013 | 02:40PM
Mypualani wrote:
Thank you tiki886.
on July 25,2013 | 05:04PM
WooWoo wrote:
It "could" be how you suggest, but the difference between the prosecution and the defense is that the prosecution has to convince the jury not that it "could" have happened that way, but that it DID happen that way. The prosecution has to come up with story A and prove it. All the defense has to do is to convince the jury, "maybe not. maybe B, C, or D happened."
on July 25,2013 | 03:52PM
Mypualani wrote:
I got it woohoo and you are correct in your summation
on July 25,2013 | 05:05PM
MKN wrote:
So far only one witness for the prosecution states that the fatal shot was fired while they were still standing. If another witness contradicts her testimony, they cancel each other out more or less. That's why the testimony for all witnesses from both sides of the case is crucial because the video evidence is inconclusive. Let's wait for all the evidence to come out before we come to conclusions.
on July 25,2013 | 04:09PM
hapaguy wrote:
So another Prosecution witness is lying huh? Your unbelievable.....
on July 25,2013 | 02:15PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Everyone lies in court. I take it you don't have much knowledge of the legal system.
on July 25,2013 | 03:20PM
hapaguy wrote:
Everyone lies in court? Unbelievable. In your world maybe but in the real world NOT. I've been in court before and I've also done my civic duty by being on a jury...we found a drug dealer (cocaine) guilty.....EVERYONE DOES NOT LIE IN COURT!
on July 25,2013 | 06:13PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm guessing you're not a lawyer. Do you really think the defense attorney is the only one stretching the truth?
on July 26,2013 | 01:41AM
pakeheat wrote:
Everyone lies in court- Kailuaraised Do you know what perjury is? I think you can go to jail for that.
on July 25,2013 | 07:45PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Kailua does not have much respect for his fellow man with that statement.
on July 25,2013 | 08:58PM
gobows wrote:
Or....we need to hear the extent of the damage done to Elderts and if it would be feasible to think a normal human being would be able to continue to fight for his life, with those injuries caused by the bullet. Maybe that's why his punches were "soft"?
on July 25,2013 | 02:19PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
But he was strong enough to tackle a man and climb on top of him?
on July 25,2013 | 03:55PM
Mypualani wrote:
Tackle or fall remember Deedy was already falling down, could the shot have been fired at this point? We will see.more information needs to come in and the reporter leaves things out.
on July 25,2013 | 05:08PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy was falling down because Elderts was charging him. If the gun went off on the way down then that is a valid claim of self defense and not murder.
on July 25,2013 | 05:20PM
hapaguy wrote:
You keep saying that people drop when they take a bullet at close range so I googled and youtubed "shot at close range" and a cursory look finds many instances where people have been shot at close range (store clerks, etc...) and continue to defend themselves. You should do a little research before you make unsubstantiated statements like that....
on July 25,2013 | 02:29PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I don't need research. No one can take a shot from less than two feet away in the chest and continue fighting. That's ridiculous to believe.
on July 25,2013 | 03:21PM
Nevadan wrote:
You lack common sense.
on July 25,2013 | 04:49PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Oh really? How much weapons training do you have? How much combat training do you have?
on July 25,2013 | 05:19PM
hapaguy wrote:
So you are saying that all the news reports and youtube videos showing store clerks getting shot at point blank range and still fighting off their attackers is all lies and fabrications? Kraised your showing your ignorance again.....
on July 25,2013 | 05:37PM
Slow wrote:
Thanks for the clarification, kailuadazed. Now I skip yours and allie's comments.
on July 25,2013 | 05:38PM
Pocho wrote:
If Elderts didn't use the "H" word this tragedy would never have happened
on July 25,2013 | 02:23PM
hapaguy wrote:
Yeah Pocho let's blame the victim......
on July 25,2013 | 02:31PM
gobows wrote:
the "H" word is ok....Fein told Deedy. its the "F'ing" H word that you gotta watch out for.
on July 25,2013 | 03:03PM
tiki886 wrote:
Drunk no count.
on July 25,2013 | 05:39PM
mamacita808 wrote:
If that's the case then the majority of us would be dead.
on July 25,2013 | 04:41PM
gobows wrote:
nah. we just know how to act
on July 25,2013 | 05:20PM
lawman1175 wrote:
I am satisfied that the prosecution proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Deedy shooting a gun at Elderts, caused Elderts’ death. Has the prosecution proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, the required state of mind (intentionally or knowingly) for murder? Has the prosecution proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, the required state of mind (recklessly) for manslaughter? Will the prosecution be able to disprove Deedy’s testimony (yes, he will need to testify to say that he acted in self-defense) that he used lethal force because he felt he was in imminent danger of Elderts killing him or causing “serious bodily injury”, (as defined by the Hawaii Revised Statutes)? This remains to be seen…. Just some thoughts from another peanut in the gallery.
on July 25,2013 | 02:35PM
WooWoo wrote:
good questions, lawman. And yes, we are all peanuts, let's not fool ourselves. None of us were at McDonald's that night, and none of us are in the courtroom this week.
on July 25,2013 | 03:00PM
lawman1175 wrote:
I am satisfied that the prosecution proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Deedy shooting a gun at Elderts, caused Elderts’ death. Has the prosecution proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, the required state of mind (intentionally or knowingly) to prove murder? Has the prosecution proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, the required state of mind (recklessly) to prove manslaughter? Will the prosecution be able to disprove Deedy’s testimony (yes, he will need to testify to say that he acted in self-defense) that he used lethal force because he felt he was in imminent danger of Elderts killing him or causing “serious bodily injury”, (as defined by the Hawaii Revised Statutes)? This remains to be seen…. Just some thoughts from another peanut in the gallery.
on July 25,2013 | 02:38PM
sak wrote:
Where is the testimony by forensics about gunshot residue pattern, which could be proof of the struggling for the gun control, and where Elderts hands were in proximity to the gun when it was fired?
on July 25,2013 | 02:52PM
redassbaboon wrote:
I want a McRib !!!!
on July 25,2013 | 03:15PM
yrusodz wrote:
Fred-allie don't mess up and use the wrong name to respond to a comment like you have before.
on July 25,2013 | 03:57PM
mki wrote:
Another interesting and relevant perspective: http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/22830885/former-federal-agent-analyzes-deedy-video
on July 25,2013 | 04:39PM
POG808 wrote:
Beyond legal minutia: Man 'A,' who had a gun, and was intoxicated, picked a fight with Man 'B,' who was also intoxicated. Man 'A,' initiated physical aggresion (front snap kick). Man 'B,' defended himself. Man 'A,' losing physical fight, shoots man B with a gun. Man 'B.' dies. Picking fights while drunk, and killing the person you picked the fight with is not self defense.
on July 25,2013 | 04:42PM
gobows wrote:
it is, if, when Man A pulls the gun out, and Man B see it, and rather than backing up, grabs for the gun, and gets ontop of Man A, Man A can fire and claim self defense. Just because everyone says you drunk, doesnt mean you drunk, and to what degree of drunk are you. Watch out for the judge.
on July 25,2013 | 05:24PM
hapaguy wrote:
Maybe...but that's not what's been testified to so far. So far the witness testimony says that Deedy shot first and then they struggled....
on July 25,2013 | 05:52PM
hapaguy wrote:
That's 2 witnesses in a row, first Bryd, and now Salzbrenner, that have said that Deedy shot first and then they struggled....
on July 25,2013 | 06:20PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
FYOU SA
on July 25,2013 | 05:24PM
Jmhata wrote:
Inexperience and getting your behind kicked can fuel the urge to use a weapon that makes you feel invincible, bad enough we have to bring these guys in from the mainland for protection when they cannot handle their alcohol while off-duty, he should do the moral thing and just admit his guilt. We don't need to have to pay for his defense and let him go on serving to protect the people, kick him out now and terminate him before anymore money is spent!
on July 25,2013 | 05:39PM
false wrote:
why were the bruddahs so uncool to the kid at McDonalds- thats our problem with punks like this- accountability for your actions- you never know how things will turn out when youre trying to moke out on somebody, so dont. If youre cool and you show respect- pretty garrunds you'll do alright in life- nuff said
on July 25,2013 | 06:56PM
POG808 wrote:
Deedy's action- Murder is the ultimate disrespect. Yes let's take responsibility. Stuff like this happens when individuals with privelage, status, arrogance, and biased towards 'the other,' go out drinking with loaded weapons, and "craziness." Is it open season, in the name of Federal justice?
on July 26,2013 | 06:29AM
BigOpu wrote:
Did he give any warning or ID before the shot? I would think that matters because if not, Deedy is just another stranger with a gun. At close range, logic says charge full steam ahead and try to restrain the gunman, because you got a better chance at living then running and getting shot in the back. In this scenario, Elderts is at self defense. With no warning, Deedy's first shot was solely to do some damage. Not a warning shot. I'm guessing a warning shot is not in the direction of a person.
on July 25,2013 | 07:27PM
POG808 wrote:
This intoxicated stranger already initiated confrontation. Threatened to shoot him. Kicked him. And had his hand on a loaded gun! Sounds like Kolin is the one who was defending himself. All over Chicken Mc nuggets and drunk banter. Unbelievable.
on July 26,2013 | 06:32AM
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