Quantcast

Sunday, July 27, 2014         

CHRISTOPHER DEEDY TRIAL


 Print   Email   Comment | View 251 Comments   Most Popular   Save   Post   Retweet

Cashier tried to stop quarrel that led to fight

The worker said she attempted to calm Elderts, who was upsetting a customer

By Ken Kobayashi

POSTED:
LAST UPDATED: 02:34 a.m. HST, Jul 26, 2013


A McDonald's cashier testified Wednesday that she told Kollin Elderts to stop his verbal exchange with a customer at the restaurant counter before the deadly 2011 confrontation with U.S. State Department Special Agent Christoper Deedy.

Brandalynn Salzbrenner said Wednesday that Elderts repeatedly said to Michel Perrine in a joking manner, "Can I help you?"

Perrine told him, "No, I got it," and at one point asked Elderts if he was trying to be "racist" because Perrine was "white," according to Salzbrenner.

Perrine testified earlier in the trial that he had a verbal exchange with Elderts at the counter, but said he doesn't recall much after drinking a pitcher of beer and three shots of tequila.

He said the only word he recalled Elderts saying was "haole" multiple times.

Salzbrenner testified she told Elderts to stop because Perrine was getting upset.

Salzbrenner testified as a prosecution witness in the 11th day of Deedy's trial on a murder charge of shooting Elderts at the McDonald's Kuhio Avenue restaurant about 2:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2011.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., was here to provide security at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

He is accused of shooting the unarmed 23-year-old Kailua man after visiting bars in Chinatown and Waikiki.

Elderts had been celebrating his friends' birthdays and also was at the First Friday festivities in Chinatown the previous night before ending up at McDonald's.

The prosecution contends Deedy was driven by alcohol and inexperience when he instigated the physical altercation by kicking Elderts in the knee.

The defense, however, maintains that Deedy fired in self-defense after he checked on Perrine, which angered Elderts and led to Elderts attacking him.

On the witness stand Wednesday, Salzbrenner did not mention the word "haole" in recounting what she heard.

Salzbrenner said after the verbal exchange, Perrine gave Elderts' friend Shane Medeiros the "stink eye," which led to Medeiros asking Perrine why he was staring at him.

At that point, Deedy went to Medeiros and told him to leave Perrine alone, but Medeiros told the agent not to get involved and that it wasn't his problem.

Deedy and Elderts later got into a physical confrontation, which Salzbrenner said started with the agent kicking Elderts.

Circuit Judge Karen Ahn called a recess when Salzbrenner broke down and wept after she was asked about Deedy reaching for his gun.

She later testified she was "scared."

"If he could have shot one person, he could have shot us all," Salzbrenner said.

Dr. Kanthi De Alwis, retired city medical examiner, testified earlier in the day that Elderts died from a gunshot wound in his chest, with alcohol and signs of marijuana and cocaine in his system.

De Alwis, who performed the autopsy, said the fatal bullet ended up lodged under the skin in Elderts' back.

She said that partially burnt and unburnt gunpowder went through Elderts' plaid shirt, white undershirt and onto his skin, which meant the gun was fired anywhere from a half inch to 10 inches away.

She said Elderts' blood alcohol content was 0.12. Under state law, 0.08 is the legal threshold for drunken driving.

De Alwis said Elderts' blood did not show any signs of methamphetamine or PCP.

———

Star-Advertiser reporter Sarah Zoellick contributed to this report.






 Print   Email   Comment | View 251 Comments   Most Popular   Save   Post   Retweet

COMMENTS
(251)
You must be subscribed to participate in discussions
By participating in online discussions you acknowledge that you have agreed to the TERMS OF SERVICE. An insightful discussion of ideas and viewpoints is encouraged, but comments must be civil and in good taste, with no personal attacks. Because only subscribers are allowed to comment, we have your personal information and are able to contact you. If your comments are inappropriate, you may receive a warning, and if you persist with such comments you may be banned from posting. To report comments that you believe do not follow our guidelines, email commentfeedback@staradvertiser.com.
Leave a comment

Please login to leave a comment.
Kailuaraised wrote:
So Elderts and Medeiros were being punks to a guy minding his own business. Where is her testimony about Deedy's intoxication because it had to have come out?
on July 25,2013 | 01:59AM
kailua000 wrote:
isnt that the norm though, local drunk, stoned mokes being punks to tourists or even other locals? im sure there will be more testimony on the deedy intoxication but not everyone can testify to every single detail. she already stated what deedy did, she may not have heard everything he said so maybe cant say if he were drunk and be honest, maybe she just doesnt know.
on July 25,2013 | 02:25AM
1local wrote:
get the Caucasion version of the NAACP involved (The Aryan brotherhood) so they can march just like the mainland does...If Deedy had not been there the Caucasions in the restaurant would have had no defense...
on July 25,2013 | 09:57AM
lee1957 wrote:
Whaaat?
on July 25,2013 | 12:10PM
kolohepalu wrote:
No. It's not the norm. Sounds like you've had run-ins your ego never recovered from.
on July 25,2013 | 04:29PM
Mypualani wrote:
Sounds about right.
on July 25,2013 | 08:18PM
scooters wrote:
So you know all about Deedy's intoxication? SO you were there and know this to be true? WOW
on July 25,2013 | 04:03AM
false wrote:
The problem was somebody giving "stink eye". Somebody gave stink eye yesterday because we were talking loud about locals fighting with slippah for weapon. He didn't like the conversation about slippah vs. gun, so gave him one "wink". Big deal, "stink eye". Notice she said Elderts was "joking" with Perrine but then it's all a matter of perception. Looking at the video, the two, Medeiros and Elderts were just happy when ordering their food.
on July 25,2013 | 05:41AM
cartwright wrote:
Drugs & guns. Same like Zimmermann/Martin: Drugs & guns. If we would have more guns in Hawaii on top of our drugs, situations like this would be happening every night. If supposedly trained concealed carriers like Deedy can't control the trigger when drunk, the Elderts & Medeiros wouldn't either.
on July 25,2013 | 06:30AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
That's quite a stretch.
on July 25,2013 | 09:06AM
nearby wrote:
No stretch. Concealed carry and drunks with a seething dislike of others--where would that lead?
on July 25,2013 | 05:42PM
false wrote:
Wait until Medeiros tells the details. Deedy will be huli huli papa`a.
on July 25,2013 | 06:19PM
Psyche wrote:
Nice agenda switch, but sorry you're wrong. Yes there will always be instances such as these, but if there a CCW law here there would be much LESS violent crime and more mutual respect.
on July 25,2013 | 10:06AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Psyche is far from the truth.
on July 25,2013 | 11:59AM
allie wrote:
agree
on July 25,2013 | 06:48AM
silvangold wrote:
you go girl......yikes.....hon.....agree.....................................das all you know........???????? YUP!
on July 25,2013 | 07:58AM
silvangold wrote:
irt false: FALSE!
on July 25,2013 | 07:56AM
false wrote:
Medeiros is going give it to Deedy, all wrapped up in pink and red ribbons.
on July 25,2013 | 06:20PM
gobows wrote:
Sounds like Elderts and Mederios started off feeling good and joking around. Then Perrine wasn't giving "stink eye", must've been more like "drunkard eye". He was so wasted he didn't even remember much of that night.
on July 25,2013 | 09:42AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Let's be realistic. Everyone probably knows what Elderts and his friend were doing. If they were just happily ordering their food then why are they calling a guy a H_OL_?
on July 25,2013 | 01:24PM
gobows wrote:
they assessed the situation and knew they could "take" Perrine if he tried to fight them. Deedy played into their hands, so to speak, and the situation just went from bad to worst.
on July 25,2013 | 02:09PM
saywhatyouthink wrote:
It's pretty obvious Eldert's and his friend were up to no good, trying to pick a fight with a skinny haole guy. it's unfortunate for them that Deedy walked in on it and shut them down. Deedy didn't handle this situation properly but there's no doubt the incident would never have happened if Eldert's and Medeiros had left Perrine alone to begin with. But I guess it's not illegal to be an a**hole.
on July 25,2013 | 04:55PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
No I wasn't. I was asking about her testimony because I'm sure it was brought up. What are you talking about?
on July 25,2013 | 01:23PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
That first disorderly arrest in Kailua? Wonder if raised was there?
on July 25,2013 | 02:43PM
Fred01 wrote:
So many "local" kids are such ignorant cowards. Don't know how to act, and always running their mouths and starting fights. Elderts got what he deserved!
on July 25,2013 | 10:46AM
Mrs_G wrote:
Why such a broad statement, Fred? It definitely portrays ignorant cowardice. HE WAS UNARMED. . .PERIOD! Get a grip!
on July 25,2013 | 02:45PM
312guy wrote:
he was not unarmed if he can put deedy on his butt with his brut strenghth he was armed, hands arms legs can be used and caused serious bodily harm or death. after viewing the video i say he should be aquitted of all charges
on July 25,2013 | 06:20PM
Mypualani wrote:
Why?
on July 25,2013 | 08:23PM
Mrs_G wrote:
UNARMED: Lacking weapons or armor. Sorry for confusing you, 312, I was not referring to his limbs.
on July 25,2013 | 11:00PM
kolohepalu wrote:
The mainland is so much better, yeah? You should go.
on July 25,2013 | 04:31PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Freddie Boy, you have a lot to learn!!! I hope you are commenting from the mainland...If not, LEAVE HAWAII NOW!!! Is "running their mouth" too mellow for you? You'd rather be with the "white boys" shooting up schools and theaters!!! Or the bombings, mass suicides, abductions, serial killers, serial rapists, and whatever else you encountered in the mainland. We are such ignorant cowards? It seems you love the fact that a "local" died for "running their mouth". YOU are the CRAZY guy!
on July 25,2013 | 06:04PM
false wrote:
And you know this because you are "expert in residence". Case closed.
on July 25,2013 | 06:21PM
shoalshonu wrote:
Salzbrenner did in fact testify about deedy's drunkenness. The StarAd, it seems to me, has been slanted in favor of deedy and deedy's defense ever since the incident occurred; and simply fail to mention the following exchange: [Salzbrenner]: Are you asking if Deedy and the girl were intoxicated? [Prosecutor]: Yes. [Salzbrenner]: Yes. [Prosecutor]: How do you know that? [Salzbrenner]: I could smell them when they talked as well. (http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/deedy-trial-testimonies-provide-eyeopening-details/-/8905354/21156814/-/u87aac/-/index.html, with video.}
on July 25,2013 | 11:48AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Where is Jessica West?
on July 25,2013 | 12:00PM
Mypualani wrote:
She testified to that yesterday you may wanna go back.
on July 25,2013 | 08:17PM
Mypualani wrote:
She testified to that on the stand the day before. It was reported. She stated that Deedy was drunk and so was Ms. West, when asked how she knew this she said she could smell the alcohol on their breath, when they placed their orders.
on July 26,2013 | 05:18AM
MKN wrote:
Very interesting testimony from a prosecution witness. Like I said, the real story of what exactly happened is somewhere in between the prosecution's version and the defense's version of the story. Now which way it skews is going to determine the outcome of the case. Bottom line is this whole incident was just plain senseless actions from both sides. No one had to die or even get hurt if everyone (including both the defendant, victim, and their friends in this case) had just minded their own business.
on July 25,2013 | 02:26AM
Mythman wrote:
Censor would not let me post comments - try again here: Scenario prosecution is trying to use to convince jurors. Two Tulane frat boys prowl C town and kiki trying to find some local boys to abuse and harm because local boys hate on the US of A because the US of A "illegally" occupies Hawaii. The two Tulane frat boys are loaded for bear in their hunt for locals to show who is boss. The frat boys get boozed up and pick a fight with the locals so the locals can react and get hurt by the two Tulane frat boys. Can you imagine what kind of kid goes to Tulane?
on July 25,2013 | 05:24AM
false wrote:
Your story is too much fantasy. Frat boys were just out on the town. Deedy had been front loaded with seeds of prejudice by Fein....... Elderts and Medeiros were celebrating birthdays contrary to this report? Yes or No? They were celebrating. While Elderts and Medeiros were happy drunks at the McD's as seen in the video, not everyone appreciated their tone. Frat boys decided to get involved in local style posturing, only the Frat boys had a gun and locals came with slippahs. Now that is story that needs to be broadcast on the national network. Yeah, we don't like stink eye and you gonna get it! How many slippahs get?
on July 25,2013 | 05:47AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
which false are you? cuz you funny, and hit it right on.
on July 25,2013 | 08:32AM
gobows wrote:
I like false's fantasy more than the mythman's one.
on July 25,2013 | 09:49AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
That's a lot of suppositions and conjecture. Just trying to be fair here.
on July 25,2013 | 09:08AM
allie wrote:
I am, like her, a cashier at a busy Waikiki restaurant. I have had the same things happen many times late at night. Belligerent, inebriated men of all races come in. Before we got security I had to try to keep men calm from fighting. Mainly, it was one local challenging another local from another school or neighbourhood. Finally, our owner got a large guard at the door and the trouble stopped. McDonald's should have done that. They were trying to save money and now they may get sued for not providing adequate security. You can expect a cashier to keep count of money and orders while trying to control angry men. I did while telling small jokes and even humming traditional Mandan songs. That helped but not for long. The anger just increased with the drinks they had. Yikes!
on July 25,2013 | 05:41AM
silvangold wrote:
AAAHHHHH you are ONLY a cashier.....I thought you were more than that. HA. WOW === you should be a ref in the boxing ring....you seem so in control..........you go girl.........you get em......you can calm down anybody from what you wrote..... GOOD FO U.
on July 25,2013 | 08:38AM
allie wrote:
giggle...
on July 25,2013 | 10:14AM
honopic wrote:
Can't even tell when someone mocks you, huh allie? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 25,2013 | 12:48PM
lynnh wrote:
No, she is just above the jack@ss mentality of people like you.
on July 26,2013 | 01:23AM
toad103410 wrote:
"ONLY a cashier? What a demeaning comment to all the people who work as cashiers throughout the state. It's a low paying and difficult job Bet you also put down refuse workers and animal control agents. No matter what our jobs we all deserve respect.
on July 25,2013 | 12:47PM
toad103410 wrote:
"ONLY a cashier?) Cashiers work hard for lowly wages. I bet you make fun of refuse collectors and animal control agents. What is your occupation?
on July 25,2013 | 01:23PM
Malani wrote:
HIred help in the work place should never get involved in trying to stop anyone elses' plikia. If it looked like it was getting, or, already out of hand the police should have been called.
on July 25,2013 | 09:11AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
People do so many things that they would not ordinarily due when they are under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. I think all Police departments would agree with this one. Also, I really don't think that McDonald's should be held responsible for the actions of their customers. ANYONE can come walking through that door, and to hold McDonald's liable for their actions is ludicrous. Do bank customers hold the bank responsible when the bank is robbed?
on July 25,2013 | 09:13AM
allie wrote:
wrong..they could have had adequate security! Many Waikiki places do at night!
on July 25,2013 | 10:15AM
gobows wrote:
Yup! MYOB
on July 25,2013 | 09:48AM
RichardCory wrote:
I can hardly wait for Deedy to be acquitted. The amount of tears and rage that will flow from the SA comments are going to be so delicious.
on July 25,2013 | 05:27AM
allie wrote:
It should be manslaughter in my opinion.
on July 25,2013 | 05:42AM
toad103410 wrote:
I tend to agree with you. Elderts did not deserve to die like that, but based on his past history, maybe something like this was inevitable.
on July 25,2013 | 08:33AM
Fred01 wrote:
He had it coming.
on July 25,2013 | 10:50AM
false wrote:
Really? Male posturing happens in every culture. It's just words. Outsiders don't know the rules and the game. They should be quiet and learn. Oh, but they had a badge and a gun. Who got up and into whose face, saying "Want to be shot?" Deedy just got buried by Medeiros. This is going to be worth the wait. It's not about race, it's about excessive force in response to male chatter. Posturing. Too much T.
on July 25,2013 | 06:30PM
lynnh wrote:
Outsiders? You are a racist B@stard!
on July 26,2013 | 01:24AM
false wrote:
If you to some other country and pull off this kind of bullying, you think you won't get a couple slaps? Watch your language, it doesn't make a pretty picture of you. `Nough said. You said it all.
on July 26,2013 | 04:37AM
silvangold wrote:
HA....your opinion NO COUNT HERE OR THERE.
on July 25,2013 | 08:39AM
honopic wrote:
In my opinion, nobody cares about your opinion, allie. Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 25,2013 | 12:49PM
false wrote:
That isn't going to do you well. The bitterness over the lack of justice for us all will turn around and bite YOU.
on July 25,2013 | 05:48AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Deedy made his LAST kick in McDonald's. He will NOT do that in OCCC or Halawa.
on July 25,2013 | 06:10AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
eh, why no organize one protest march like they did for zimmerman, when deedy is acquitted of all charges?
on July 25,2013 | 08:39AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Actually, the boys in OCCC and Halawa LIKE it when chosen victims fight back. It only turns them on more.
on July 25,2013 | 09:15AM
lee1957 wrote:
I'll take your word for it.
on July 25,2013 | 12:17PM
false wrote:
That's not going to happen. Feds will take care of him because it will be too dangerous, excessive abuse while incarcerated.
on July 25,2013 | 06:32PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Why in the world would you want him sent there where they get kalua pig, really good food, exercise equipment and TV? He belongs in Arizona where he can dine on peanut butter and jelly sandwiches three times a day.
on July 25,2013 | 09:41AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Deedy stays in prison here, where he will be stared at and given the stink-eye while he tries to eat.
on July 25,2013 | 09:54AM
false wrote:
and wear pink unda panties.
on July 25,2013 | 06:32PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So Richard,it's just about your lust for sweet revenge? Wow.
on July 25,2013 | 07:34AM
Porkchop wrote:
I agree, acquit Deedy.
on July 25,2013 | 07:55AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I gotta say, a lot of these "Prosecution" witnesses are helping the defense. They got Elders portrayed as a punk. Deedy had some drinks but he got involved when Elders was hassling some other dude. Pau already, all the Prosecution can say is Deedy had some drinks, he may or may not have been drunk (remember the ER doctor said he looked OK), Elders and his buddy were being punks, Deedy intervened, bang bang. Acquittal.
on July 25,2013 | 08:04AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Bang, bang for Deedy in the prison showers.
on July 25,2013 | 08:21AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
you sick.
on July 25,2013 | 08:40AM
hanalei395 wrote:
My stalker, the lonely stalker, wants a bang-bang.
on July 25,2013 | 08:55AM
lynnh wrote:
Sounds like you have experience?
on July 26,2013 | 01:26AM
toad103410 wrote:
Just look at Elders' past run ins with the law. Not a model citizen. BTW, with that name didn't he have some Caucasian blood in him? As I posted earlier, he should not have died that way but it doesn't look like he was completely blameless. Deedy should be punished for at the least carrying his firearm while drinking.
on July 25,2013 | 01:00PM
false wrote:
Vigilante action is a defensible response for unknown history. Males do have history. They do grow out of it. They have families who change them for the better. Elderts doesn't have a chance for wife, children, business success etc. Deedy took that all away, all over a conversation that didn't involve him. Gutowski went looking for trouble and Deedy finished it. What's Gutowski's payoff?
on July 25,2013 | 06:43PM
false wrote:
Elderts wasn't a punk. He was joking with Perrine. They were both smashed. They were using words. Elderts was obviously euphoric. It fell apart for Elderts when Gutowski and Deedy went to their table and threatened with "shooting". How does that make Elderts a punk. He was just joking around. It's just a local clowning. Why did Deedy get all huffy when Perrine was just relaxing waiting for his food. Elderts and Medeiros were waiting for theirs. Deedy was the punk.
on July 25,2013 | 06:37PM
lynnh wrote:
I saw this punk in action many times in Kailua. Yes, he was a punk.
on July 26,2013 | 01:27AM
lynnh wrote:
And, as federal agent, or police, it is his job to intervene even if he is off duty.
on July 26,2013 | 01:26AM
false wrote:
Especially when he is drunk.
on July 26,2013 | 04:41AM
Mypualani wrote:
lynh "as federal agent, or police, it is his job to intervene even if he is off duty" really by going up to someone and threatening to shoot that person? because you didn't like how they were acting or words that were said. Then kicking that person? are you that stupid? if that was the case all along then we wouldn't even been here, Deedy would not have been indicted by the grand jury. The moment Deedy pulled his gun and shot is the moment he sealed his fate. Here in Hawaii our laws state you can pull a gun and protect yourself/ family "in your home or place of work. two places Deedy was not. You don't Drink and conceal/ carry/ and use this when you get slapped. Deedy's defense dose not RISE TO THE LEVEL of self defense. I get that you hated or disliked the victim and his past punk actions but c'mon now. Was Elderts armed? nope Did Deedy Mean well I believe he did. Here in Hawaii you cannot go around threatening to shot people in the face and then assault the said person and say hay I was defending myself. Our laws don't work that way not here in Hawaii anyways.
on July 27,2013 | 09:52PM
Mythman wrote:
lets just stop hating on each other please
on July 25,2013 | 08:56AM
false wrote:
You first. Put the slippahs away. Your's are too big. Nah, das awright, I get taro patch, bambutcha one. One only.
on July 25,2013 | 06:44PM
lynnh wrote:
Just shut up you uneducated loser.
on July 26,2013 | 01:28AM
false wrote:
After you.
on July 26,2013 | 04:42AM
Mypualani wrote:
funny you calling someone else and uneducated loser. here read this dimwit since you are oh so smart. Hawaii laws state deadly force is only allowed when a person believes it is the only way to prevent death, serious injury, kidnapping, rape or sodomy. "If you can safely retreat, you don't have the right to use deadly force," said attorney William Harrison. In Hawaii, you are not required to safely retreat when you are threatened in your “home or workplace”. "If someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, you don't know what they have in their hands, and they are an aggressor you may be entitled to use deadly force," said Harrison. Self-defense with deadly force has been successfully used for cases of home invasions. Keith Kuraoka was not charged after shooting and killing one of five armed intruders who started shooting inside his Waianae home in 2007. In a number of assault cases, self-defense will be claimed by one or even both sides. Hawaii law does not gives self-defense protection for those who are responsible for the violence. In a number of assault cases, self-defense will be claimed by one or even both sides. Hawaii law does not gives self-defense protection for those who are responsible for the violence. "You can't be the aggressor in that situation. When someone is trying to assault you, commit a crime against you and you feel the immediate need to protect yourself you may be able to claim self-defense," said Harrison. A person doesn't have to wait until an aggressor attacks in order to defend himself. They may be justified in striking first and still claim self-defense to get rid of the threat. Read more: http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/a-look-at-hawaiis-selfdefense-laws/-/8905354/20894262/-/bxg9f3/-/index.html#ixzz2aJA55HkN Hopefuly your reading and comprehension level is above that of an 5th grader.
on July 27,2013 | 10:12PM
Shh wrote:
I don't think he will be acquitted because he did shoot his gun that killed a man. He didn't have to shoot the gun at all and it would of probably just ended up being a fight, but instead he used a gun and a man is dead because of him.
on July 25,2013 | 10:38AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Acquitted or not, Deedy is already suffering emotionally, financially and career-wise by going thru this trial. He will also suffer throughout his life. In my opinion, he's paying for it now. If acquitted, it's already been delicious to see him suffer. If found guilty, it'll be even more delicious.
on July 25,2013 | 11:26AM
lawman1175 wrote:
And, just wait until the wrongful death suit comes up...
on July 25,2013 | 12:07PM
false wrote:
It's a lesson for all who want to play cop and carry a gun. It's called responsibility. Lesson for many as the news confirms everyday.
on July 25,2013 | 06:46PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
agree with lawman. Deedy doesn't need to go to jail to suffer. He's feeling it now. I can't even imagine being on trial, knowing there is a chance of spending years of hard time for stupidity. Deedy should've called 9-1-1 when he saw a stranger being harrassed. Regardless of THIS trial's outcome, Deedy's got a lawsuit coming up that'll put even more stress on him and his family.
on July 25,2013 | 08:24PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
RichardCory, I am deliciously enjoying Deedy's predicament. Win or lose, he's suffering emotionally, financially and career-wise. A conviction would be gravy, as will his wrongful death lawsuit.
on July 25,2013 | 08:27PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
bottom line is..if you see a guy with a gun..don't try to attack him..back off..maybe the cocaine in his system made him think he was superman
on July 25,2013 | 05:31AM
false wrote:
So is that why Trayvon took Zimmerman on? He was looking down the barrel of a gun drawn? No one knows for sure because Zimmerman has a story to tell. So what's Deedy's story?
on July 25,2013 | 05:49AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
hanabatadayz wrote: "bottom line is..if you see a guy with a gun..don't try to attack him..back off..maybe the cocaine in his system made him think he was superman"

If you watch the video, you will see Seedy pulling drawing his pistol from it's concealed location behind his back. If you listen to the testimony, you will hear that Deedy started firing immediately.

Unless Elderts had x-ray vision, he didn't know Deedy had pulled his gun until it started firing.


on July 25,2013 | 07:17AM
Fred01 wrote:
Maybe his local parents should have taught him how to act years ago? He got what he had coming.
on July 25,2013 | 10:52AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
We all must know, Freds not "local". Just wonder what part of Dixie's he's from?
on July 25,2013 | 12:07PM
Fred01 wrote:
Definitely not from trashville Nanakuli! It must totally suck to be "local" and have to overcompensate for your ignorance and inadequacy all the time.
on July 25,2013 | 02:16PM
false wrote:
Now you have pushed the wrong button. Don't you ever breathe that trash talk and expect to be respected. Nanakuli is heaven. Kids have respect and families work hard. "Uncles" and "Aunties" stand up with us everyday. Teachers scrub floors along with custodians. Ministers preach and walk the talk to bring HOPE. We have every thing other Americans have, great, good, fabulous and struggling. Just show up at Nanakuli and ask for a mean tutu. A whole bunch of us will come out to give you some Aloha. Look in the mirror, you are what you speak.
on July 25,2013 | 06:54PM
Mypualani wrote:
Fred01 what an ignorant rotten thing to say. Then again it's your right to be a pilau piggy.
on July 27,2013 | 10:06PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Your parents are the ones who failed. Move (back) to a red state.
on July 25,2013 | 04:35PM
false wrote:
Medeiros related that Deedy walked up to their table saying something about "shooting" at them. "You wanna get shot?" Is that what Deedy used to introduce himself? Sounds pretty threatening as an introduction. What "local" wouldn't go loco over that kind of verbal assault? I would have come unglued and the words would have cut his heart out.
on July 25,2013 | 06:49PM
silvangold wrote:
BEST comment EVER......
on July 25,2013 | 08:40AM
Mythman wrote:
earlier he raised his shirt to show the gun.....
on July 25,2013 | 08:57AM
Shh wrote:
To me it seems as if Deedy is the one being the punk by showing the gun. What was the reason for that?? To egg on or threaten Elderts?
on July 25,2013 | 10:42AM
gobows wrote:
no to intimidate
on July 25,2013 | 11:40AM
gary360 wrote:
You wouldn't get Deedy's BAC from the retired M.E., you'll have to get from either the Prosecutor, Defense Atty. or HPD. Booze and dope don't mix. What's the old saying, "Dope is for Dopes".
on July 25,2013 | 05:51AM
W_Williams wrote:
Why couldn't this just have been a fist fight, some dirty lickens' and both walking away all bus' up? I guess it's because one guy had a gun, and he decided that he should shoot the other guy so he could win the fight. This is so senseless. Kolin Elderts didn't have to end up dead. Deedy is a coward.
on July 25,2013 | 06:00AM
8082062424 wrote:
those days are gone. these days some one starts a fight when they find out they can not win the use a gun or knife. sad
on July 25,2013 | 06:13AM
allie wrote:
the hatred behind the gun or fist is more sad.
on July 25,2013 | 06:49AM
saveparadise wrote:
al, i actually agree with you. Nice comment. Respect for the aina and respect for people. What has happened to our children?
on July 25,2013 | 08:53AM
8082062424 wrote:
most of the time it not hatred just anger a very normal emotion. not to long ago two people got mad at each other got in a fight both got bruised and banged up and that was it. worst thing they both spent the night in jail. now it pick a fight and when you can not handle pull a gun or knife. let hope Hawaii does not become like state side
on July 25,2013 | 08:58AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Unfortunately, it's already well on it's way. Sad.
on July 25,2013 | 09:43AM
Mana07 wrote:
Elderts, AKA drunk racist druggy punk, attacked an armed federal agent...and you are surprised that he was shot?
on July 25,2013 | 06:17AM
8082062424 wrote:
you seem to forget drunk armed federal agent attacked him first. you can even add bully to it
on July 25,2013 | 06:24AM
Shh wrote:
haha with a kicking problem.
on July 25,2013 | 10:45AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Mana wins first prize for being a double-dealing twister.
on July 25,2013 | 06:35AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
da prince win first prize for being the poster with the most ignorant comments.
on July 25,2013 | 08:45AM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Whatever the result, this case is about two losers. Both drunk and playing "macho" men. Perfect scenario for a bad ending. One might have his career end and go to jail, the other one is 6 feet under. Will they ever learn?
on July 25,2013 | 06:54AM
hanalei395 wrote:
One won't go to jail, he'll go to prison. And the "welcome" he'll receive there, might make him wish that he too was 6 feet under.
on July 25,2013 | 07:02AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
you're correct! he won't go to jail, he will be acquitted of all charges.
on July 25,2013 | 08:50AM
Shh wrote:
nuhhh a man's life is gone because of his inexperience and drunken state of mind to fire his gun and take a life. He had arms to use his fist. I think he was trying to be punchy knowing he had a gun.
on July 25,2013 | 10:51AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Public, totally agree with you.
on July 25,2013 | 07:18AM
Songoboy wrote:
The best comment i have heard, Publicbraddah. Like i posted weeks before, drunk/stoned/punk action (Elderts)and drunk/stoned/with a weapon (Deedy) doesnt mix.
on July 25,2013 | 07:52AM
inverse wrote:
You are probably right. An honest assessment is BOTH Elderts and Deedy contributed to this situation that lead to Elderts Death; Deedy did violate rules that a federal agent does not conceal carry during his off duty hours and "party"; Deedy as a Federal agent that supposedly is trained to NOT run away from conflict or trouble, attempted to intervene between the conflict between Elderts group and Perrine. This is not 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. The quality of legal representation has yet to come into play. Brook Hart is one of the best attorneys and usually prosecuting attorneys tend to be lower paid where the better ones leave for private practice. This is also a bait and switch situation. Like Caldwell claiming he and other mayors were not given an opportunity to speak out against HPD raises to the arbitrator, going for 2nd degree murder or manslaughter will appease the public and make everyone feel good that Deedy will "get what he deserves" , like the Zimmerman case, the facts in evidence do NOT support conviction of murder and will be acquitted. Prosecutors will pull a "Caldwell" and claim the acquittal is not their fault.
on July 25,2013 | 07:19AM
inverse wrote:
Never mind the negative political ramifications if Deedy is found guilty of murder. He was a federal agent for the purpose of serving Obama in Hawaii to sell APEC, which was pushed by all Hawaii State govt officials and big business officials like Bank of Hawaii CEO Peter Ho and others. The negative ramifications on Hawaii's visitor industry if a Caucasian federal agent, allegedly trying to protect others is convicted of murder of a “local acting like a bully”, a lot of Caucasian visitors from the US, ESPECIALLY if someone like Bill O'Reilly takes Deedy's side advocate boycotting Hawaii, would be a tremendous negative hit to Hawaii's visitor industry. All that should NOT matter but it does. Elderts did NOT deserve to die, but he was high and drunk and he was acting like a bully and troublemaker in the early morning hours in the visitor district of Waikiki and he and his friends unfortunately met up with the wrong guy who actually fought back with a gun, who himself had issues as well. These situations can easily go bad quickly as HPD themselves will find out when they go to trial for the wrongful death of W side Oahu resident Dinaan who was killed with a chokehold by a fireman helping that HPD officer apprehend Dinaan.
on July 25,2013 | 07:23AM
allie wrote:
Totally agree and Is aid the same 18 months ago and was blasted for it by "men" in here. The media went along with the shibai of a conference and Peter the Ho claimed his arrogance was warranted. Fact: NOTHING was accomplished by this nothing conference except a ton of wasted money and the death of a human being. Shame!
on July 25,2013 | 07:58AM
honopic wrote:
I doubt even you understand what you're trying to say here, allie. You just can't keep your fingers off the keyboard, huh? Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform.
on July 25,2013 | 12:56PM
tiki886 wrote:
So it's Obama's fault? I like that.
on July 25,2013 | 03:43PM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Disagree with your comment about O'Reilly. I took no offense at what the man said. Instead, Hanabusa, in fitting form, tried to turn this into an issue just to score cheap political points. If I didn't already have a negative opinion of that Empty Suit (Hanabusa), her little political stunt sealed the deal for me.
on July 25,2013 | 09:22AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
There goes a republican using the Oreilly threat. Actually nobody listens to him.
on July 25,2013 | 12:12PM
kolohepalu wrote:
O'Reilly is a bigot- the only people who listen to him are losers we don't want here anyway- he should repeat his request.
on July 25,2013 | 04:39PM
false wrote:
Takes one to no one. People who like O`Reilly look and think like him. Obviously we are not of the same ilk.
on July 25,2013 | 07:00PM
Heinbear wrote:
Glad someone is looking at that stupid conference...A chain link fence in the middle of the street and officers with machine guns..looked like marshall law had been declared..many frightened tourists. I am sure Deedy received a briefing which made him think he was all powerful, not just a security guard for a conference.
on July 28,2013 | 08:10AM
pcman wrote:
IRT inverse on honest. If both guys were equally contributory, then Deedy had no business to draw his weapon. Being called names and being harassed by a drunk are no reasons to kill someone. Deedy went to town to drink and raise hell with his friend. My guess is that Deedy goes to jail for 20 years for 2nd degree murder. If we let tourists or federal agents with conceal and carry permits in their jobs or their states to kill locals for being called names or for being drunk, we will invite many future killers to use Hawaii for the same reason because the precedent will be set. Remember when hitmen from the mainland would come to Hawaii to knock of debtors because Hawaii was soft on shooters? We don't want that to occur again, even for one more killing.
on July 25,2013 | 07:56AM
false wrote:
Wow. Must have been really young. Never heard that story. Scary. pcman, your analysis resonates with my thinking. We have to have a fair settlement.
on July 25,2013 | 07:02PM
palolo2001 wrote:
Thank God Deedy didn't go to the Pro Bowl. There were lots of drunk locals making trouble to the tourists and military haloes. Deedy would need a machine gun.
on July 25,2013 | 07:33AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Palolo still mad for being slugged in Palolo.
on July 25,2013 | 08:06AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
what you mouthing about? you don't know anything.
on July 25,2013 | 08:56AM
palolo2001 wrote:
Act wise on the blog. Hanalei this is a small island.
on July 25,2013 | 09:12PM
lynnh wrote:
Wish he did go!
on July 26,2013 | 01:30AM
soundofreason wrote:
The flavor of yesterday's comments was that, out of pride, it's okay for a "local" boy to not have to back down. NOW, when the altercation started much earlier BY the "local" boy, the haole is at fault for not backing down?
on July 25,2013 | 07:34AM
yhls wrote:
Allie sounds like a frustrated, transplanted elderly man suffering from diarrhea of the mouth compounded by a complete lack of higher education.
on July 25,2013 | 08:12AM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Leave her alone. She has something to contribute to the discussion, unlike you and your ignorant comment.
on July 25,2013 | 09:25AM
Iuki wrote:
Never saw so many people drunk all at once in one small place. Add to that someone with a gun (who's also drunk), and someone or more than one will end up dead. I can't imagine how horrible it is to work in a fast food place like that in the middle of the night and have to endure all these types of idiots.
on July 25,2013 | 09:01AM
allie wrote:
agree but Waikiki is just too wild at night. That is why I recommended that McDonald's get a legitimate security team in place at night. Yes, it costs more but that is the price of doing business at night.
on July 25,2013 | 11:30AM
gobows wrote:
but, how many incidents did McDonald's have before this one? Not economically feasible to pay for a hired gun to watch over my chicke nuggets.
on July 25,2013 | 11:42AM
Maili2 wrote:
It's a scary world we live in when you get killed just for looking at somebody wrong. Keep your eyes down and mind your own business, and you've got a better chance.
on July 25,2013 | 09:03AM
iwanaknow wrote:
Nothing good happens after 2am in the morning?
on July 25,2013 | 10:20AM
saveparadise wrote:
Alchohol= The magical elixir, the great fountain of youth, makes people feel super human. You run faster than a speeding train, drive like Richard Petty, high school dropouts become Einstein, makes your panties fall off, dance like Madonna, you become kadaoke champ of the night, challenge BJ Penn, run for Mayor, run for Governor, run for President, score with all da chicks, stop bullets, commit murder, get killed ...............all in one night and change the rest of your loved ones lives forever.
on July 25,2013 | 09:13AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
agree with saveparadise
on July 25,2013 | 11:33AM
whatzupwitdat wrote:
Too bad they didn't test Deedy also to see what was in HIS system! I'm sure it wasn't just "alcohol"!
on July 25,2013 | 09:25AM
false wrote:
Finally someone else gets that assumption. Deedy isn't all the "clean". Anyone who doesn't think twice about packing drinking wouldn't dismiss a puff or a whiff. Whatever. Deedy is not Ivory Soap Squeaky Clean.
on July 25,2013 | 07:06PM
Macadamiamac wrote:
Alcohol, drugs and a gun. A guaranteed recipe for someone getting hurt. Eldirts apparently acting like the drunken bully picked on the wrong guy. Maybe he didn't deserve to die, but he got what he asked for.
on July 25,2013 | 09:34AM
gobows wrote:
yes, if Elderts backed off, he wouldnt have gotten shot.
on July 25,2013 | 09:54AM
false wrote:
No, Deedy would have shot someone else because he wanted to shoot his gun. He said that when he introduced himself. Elderts saved some innocent people in McD's.
on July 25,2013 | 07:07PM
ryan02 wrote:
According to witnesses, the fight began when Deedy kicked Elderts. Elderts responded to a kick with his fists, which is not unreasonable. Deedy then responded with a gun. And Deedy was either totally incompetent, or impaired by alcohol, or possible both, that he missed Elderts at first and endangered everyone in McDonalds, before he was finally able to kill Elderts. This will cost Deedy his freedom and the rest of us millions of tax dollars in lawsuits.
on July 25,2013 | 10:19AM
gobows wrote:
all true. but howabout this?. Deedy kicked Elderts. Elderts knocked Deedy down. End of fight. Eye for Eye. Even Steven. Right?
on July 25,2013 | 10:32AM
hapaguy wrote:
I wish that had been the case. Elderts would be alive today. It's too bad that Deedy had to get up and shoot Elderts.
on July 25,2013 | 12:04PM
gobows wrote:
Sad day.......I hope he's found guilty of something....but will play devil's advocate for now, cuz I can see it going Deedy's way too.........auwe!
on July 25,2013 | 12:11PM
lynnh wrote:
He performed a public service.
on July 26,2013 | 01:32AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Elderts should have stopped. Instead he choose to swing at the guy who had a gun and got shot for it.
on July 25,2013 | 01:43PM
false wrote:
He took a bullet for the patrons taken by surprise.
on July 25,2013 | 07:08PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yeah Kailua it's all on Elderts right? He's dead, all pau, mak'e. Elderts isn't here, he left a lot of loved ones behind.so lets put this WHOLE THING on the victim right, I am sure Agent Deedy did everything by the book right? all this would have should have and could haves will not change the Facts of this case. Deedy's actions were not above board at all that night. especially when he reached for his gun, he was following through on his threat just a few seconds before to shoot Elderts. Deedy's actions does not rise to the level of self defense when he pulled his gun. it's there in black and white on the Hawaii Revised Statutes. You cannot be an aggressor and then kill someone and use self defense. I am sure that the Judge will give her instructions to the jury. there will be points for the jury to ponder. This Judge has shown that she is much smarter than Hart, he wanted those videos released before a jury could be picked. As for hart trying to get this trial anywhere but here. Fail ! Deedy couldn't go fed why? because he would have to face the music on the stand, in Federal court there are no games.
on July 27,2013 | 10:43PM
gobows wrote:
playing the If game.....if Elderts backed off, and Deedy shot him, Murder 2, guaranteed.
on July 25,2013 | 09:55AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
But Elderts didn't back off. So he'll be acquitted.
on July 25,2013 | 01:44PM
Mypualani wrote:
Wrong wrong and wrong, Hawaii Law states that you cannot be the aggressor and kill someone, and claim "self defense". also didn't Deedy threaten Elderts first? that is a class c felony here in Hawaii " Terroristic threatening" this is how they got Murder 2 , makes sense while Deedy was committing a class c felony in the state of Hawaii, he took another human beings life. You like to come on here and say this or that does not matter, oh yes it does! if not then it would not be bought forth in this criminal case and Mr. Deedy would be home living happily ever after. His employer is running an internal investigation, they won't even support him with his defense or expenses. and then last but not least comes the wrongful death lawsuit. I went to this Mans support sight and gave what I could. Because it is my belief, that at that moment from testimony and video. that he meant well. but what he did was not the best way to go. I think that Deedy was an up-right and decent honorable guy, he got to where he is through hard work and a lot of loving family and friend support. I don't wish anything ill towards this man, at first I was just angry still am al little. But that night ruined a lot of hopes and dreams, on both sides of this coin.
on July 27,2013 | 10:57PM
gobows wrote:
Medeiro's testimony should be INTERESTING.............
on July 25,2013 | 10:12AM
lynnh wrote:
And packed full of bias lies.
on July 26,2013 | 01:32AM
false wrote:
perhaps Elderts was going for the gun as well- 2 shots fired as they were wrestling for it and 3rd one got him- If Deedy was shot instead of Elderts- would Elderts have administered CPR? hmm?
on July 25,2013 | 10:12AM
gobows wrote:
Probably.
on July 25,2013 | 10:33AM
Mypualani wrote:
Well perhaps Deedy should not have threatened to shot Elderts in the face and follow through with pulling out and using his gun. According to this young lady, the first shot hit Elderts. There goes the defense.
on July 27,2013 | 10:59PM
ryan02 wrote:
That kick started the fight. It will cost Deedy his freedom and the US taxpayers millions of dollars in lawsuits. I'm tired of paying for the wrongs committed by government workers.
on July 25,2013 | 10:15AM
gobows wrote:
Was it the KICK? or Eldert's and Medeiro's mouths harassing Perrine?
on July 25,2013 | 10:41AM
hapaguy wrote:
Mouthing off is not a crime. Striking someone 1st is. It's called "assault"....
on July 25,2013 | 12:03PM
gobows wrote:
yes, mouthing off is not a crime. But, a crime would not have been committed, had everyone just kept their mouths shut and eyes forward. don't you think?
on July 25,2013 | 12:13PM
hapaguy wrote:
Agreed!
on July 25,2013 | 12:18PM
false wrote:
Well, we had a major discussion at breakfast about fighting with slippahs and one guy didn't like the discussion. Does he have a right to pull a gun on our chatter?
on July 25,2013 | 07:10PM
lynnh wrote:
Yes, a crime would have been committed.... that punk would still be on the street.
on July 26,2013 | 01:33AM
Mypualani wrote:
Did Elderts do something to you? just asking maybe you can get some of that wrongful death money. If you were one of Elderts many victims.
on July 27,2013 | 11:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
We shouldn't be paying period. But that's a stretch huh.
on July 27,2013 | 11:00PM
Peacenik wrote:
Finally someone who actually heard the conversation and wasn't drunk. Elderts was harassing Perrine, using the H word multiple time. Medeiros got involved and started harassing Perrine. Cashier saw fit to tell Eldert to stop it. Deedy being a Law Enforcement Officer saw there was a problem and did what he as an law enf. officer vows to do, even at cost of getting injured. At last some clarity.
on July 25,2013 | 10:15AM
gobows wrote:
Deedy picked the wrong two guys to try and reform.
on July 25,2013 | 10:30AM
gobows wrote:
i thought it was Perrine giving Medeiros the stink eye. not the other way around.
on July 25,2013 | 10:43AM
false wrote:
It Gutowski givng Medeiros the eye. Perrine was getting the chatter, introduction, "Can I help you?" Elderts was just hamming it up. Harassment is taken from the perspective of the receiver and Perrine chose to ignore it. So Deedy should have too.
on July 25,2013 | 07:12PM
lynnh wrote:
Umm, Elderts picked the wrong "announced" law enforcement to assault.
on July 26,2013 | 01:35AM
Mypualani wrote:
umm shut up. you picked the wrong board to come on and spew your filth.
on July 27,2013 | 11:06PM
ryan02 wrote:
Did you even read the article? The non-drunk witness heard Elderts say "Can I help you?" in a joking manner, then Perrine got upset because he assumed it was because he was white. Then Medeiros gave Perrine the stink eye. Yet somehow Deedy thought it was within his right to go over and kick Elderts.
on July 25,2013 | 10:31AM
gobows wrote:
Perrine said he never felt threatened. He was drunk and cant remember half the stuff that went on.
on July 25,2013 | 10:42AM
Peacenik wrote:
The word H--le was used over and over. Funny how you guys say stink eye no reason to fight, but Medeiros get all huhu what he perceive is a stink eye from Perrine. Of course Perrine gonna say, I didn't feel threatened, I don't remember anything that was said, he like Gutkowski lives in Hawaii. Read Facebook comments or even comments here, where veiled threats are made if you speak against Elderts. Eldert approached Deedy in a threatening manner which is why he got kicked.
on July 25,2013 | 11:00AM
gobows wrote:
I dont think Perrine ever got hit. it's posturing by the local looking for a fight. they first assess if they can "take" down a person. two on one is better than two on two. Perrine wasnt going to fight, he was out numbered. Deedy getting involved was the problem. he made it, two on two.
on July 25,2013 | 11:52AM
hapaguy wrote:
Stink eye is no reason to fight. Maybe Medeiros got all "huhu" when Perrine was giving him stink eye but did Medeiros assault Perrine for that? NO. And regarding Elderts approaching Deedy in a threatening manner, the video does not back that up. To the contrary Deedy was trying to get at Elderts, so much so that Deedy had to get around West who was trying to stop him. You can't throw the first blow and claim it was self defense. It's called "assault"..
on July 25,2013 | 11:59AM
gobows wrote:
calling out a "stink eye" is posturing. local style. Its how a person responds that determines if fight will ensue. Perrine was drunk. He was probably staring at Medeiros, but probably didnt even know he was doing it. I think he was concentrating on standing up straight and not falling down, more than who he was looking at.
on July 25,2013 | 12:16PM
false wrote:
Well got one really mean stink eye over slippah fighting from one non local. Smiled and winked at him. Probably pissed him off. He didn't stay for breakfast. Yeah. I had shoes on anyway. Neva had slippah.
on July 25,2013 | 07:16PM
lynnh wrote:
Watch the video, from the second Perrine walked up to the register, Elderts was staring him down, well before Perrine even looked at him. Elderts was a punk.
on July 26,2013 | 01:37AM
Mypualani wrote:
What? are you fo real? um no Deedy approached Elderts in a threatening manner, this is why he has another count against him, Deedy committed a felony by making a terroristic threat, you cannot go around threatening to shot people drunk or sober.
on July 27,2013 | 11:14PM
false wrote:
How does this get so confusing. Perrine was drunk and said he didn't pay attention?
on July 25,2013 | 07:13PM
Mypualani wrote:
You forgot that he also offered to shoot Elderts in the face and asked do you wanna get shot? you know people get shot for acting the way you are. Then after the kick Elderts gives him a slap to the face, Deedy pulls his gun, why would he pull his gun? was he following through on his threat? Then he goes to his slipper looks around then realizes hey I shot a punk, do I stay or do I go? oh what the heck the police will be here soon I may as well put my fingers in that hole I caused and wait for the cops. then I will be the hero.....just my conjecture here.
on July 27,2013 | 11:11PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Special Agents with the State Dept are NOT tasked with involving themselves in drunken arguments. No one was in danger or threatened until Mr Deedy started making physical threats, kicking at Elderts, flashing his gun and then shooting it in a crowded restaurant.
on July 25,2013 | 10:36AM
gobows wrote:
all true. But, Deedy didn't fire, until Elderts tried grabbing his gun. No one was in danger, UNTIL, Elderts made his move.
on July 25,2013 | 10:45AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Elderts tried to grab Deedy's gun after Deedy told Elderts, "I'm gonna shoot you in the face". And Deedy tried to, but he missed with the first two shots because of Elderts trying to grab the gun. On the third shot, Deedy missed Elderts face but got him in the chest.
on July 25,2013 | 11:18AM
gobows wrote:
ok....but, sticks and stones.....Deedy didn't fire until Elderts tried to grab the gun, right?
on July 25,2013 | 11:45AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Right. That's like you saying that if somebody tells you "I'm gonna punch you in the face", you do nothing, you stand there and you wait for that punch in your face. Regardless if Elderts tried to grab Deedy's gun OR NOT, Deedy was still going to shoot Elderts ...ANYWAY. And Elderts TRIED to keep that from happening.
on July 25,2013 | 12:08PM
gobows wrote:
yes, i can see how you can think that. but cause and effect. we dont know, for positive, that Deedy was going to shoot Elderts no matter what. We will never know. All we know, is Elderts went for the gun, which caused Deedy to fire it.
on July 25,2013 | 01:01PM
Mypualani wrote:
actually one witness the McDonalds Cashier stated that the first shot hit Elderts. The second and third came after they were down.
on July 27,2013 | 11:18PM
8082062424 wrote:
But he did keep saying want me to shoot you in the face.
on July 25,2013 | 11:32AM
gobows wrote:
isnt that a intimidation technique? Worked in training class, but how come not working in real life?
on July 25,2013 | 11:47AM
hapaguy wrote:
I've seen you and others try to claim that Deedy did not fire until Elderts grabbed at his gun. Can you show me anywhere where there was testimony to that fact. The only testimony about the shooting came from Bryd and he said Deedy shot first then they struggled....
on July 25,2013 | 12:02PM
gobows wrote:
its coming.
on July 25,2013 | 12:18PM
false wrote:
That's not what the witness said today. Sounds like the first shot hit its target before Elderts grabbed at the gun. His will propelled him to finish his onslaught before succumbing to the loss of blood. His reptilian brain was still in charge.
on July 25,2013 | 07:18PM
hanalei395 wrote:
And this, no doubt, is what is on the jurors' minds, and will be part of the bottom line in their verdict. ........Guilty.
on July 25,2013 | 10:54AM
gobows wrote:
true....now. lets' play "what if".....what if the judge tells the jury, they have to base their verdict only on when Deedy pulls the gun out. Nothing that was said or done before can be used to determine innocence or guilt. I'm afraid if this happens, all heck will break out in that courtroom. riot!
on July 25,2013 | 11:49AM
Mypualani wrote:
Is it part of law enforcements job to be drinking and carrying, threatening to shoot someone in the face and then kicking that person? if this is what you are saying then I better go tell my relatives and friends in law enforcement that they can go around killing people they don't like. They would laugh at me and I would get a swift kick in the butt.
on July 27,2013 | 11:05PM
Bully wrote:
Poor lady is traumatized for life. PTSD.
on July 25,2013 | 10:21AM
Shh wrote:
Deedy was here as a man of high authority as a FBI agent for security reasons not to come down here and abuse that authority to go out on the town waving his gun around in public, getting into fights and then killing a local. What kind of people is our nation hiring to be FBI Agents that allows that kind of behavior?! Come on!
on July 25,2013 | 11:04AM
gobows wrote:
is he really a FBI agent?
on July 25,2013 | 11:50AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Irt Shh, shhhhhhhhh ,he was State Dept. Man are you following this?
on July 25,2013 | 12:20PM
gobows wrote:
State Dept = FBI agent?......NOT!
on July 25,2013 | 01:03PM
shoalshonu wrote:
Salzbrenner did in fact testify about deedy's drunkenness. The StarAd, seems to me, has been slanted in favor of deedy and deedy's defense ever since the incident occurred, and the article simply failed to mention the following exchange: [Salzbrenner]: Are you asking if Deedy and the girl were intoxicated? [Prosecutor]: Yes. [Salzbrenner]: Yes. [Prosecutor]: How do you know that? [Salzbrenner]: I could smell them when they talked as well. (http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/deedy-trial-testimonies-provide-eyeopening-details/-/8905354/21156814/-/u87aac/-/index.html, with video.} You'll find other notable omissions in the StarAd coverage of this matter on occasion, so it helps to check other sources as best you can; though none of them, KITV, Civil Beat, Hawaii News Now, etc., seem particularly dedicated to full factual coverage. As I asked on one of these threads before, how is it that a guy can shoot up a restaurant and murder, er, kill someone at 2:45AM while by all accounts drunk, and yet the HPD does not impose a BAC test? I saw a reply from the poster "false" which suggests it might be "constitutional protections" (the US constitution?, which does not seem correct, nor would forcing a test at the hospital seem to be an "unreasonable" search under the circumstances), or "SOP for Federal members". If that last is correct, that a Fed can simply refuse and it is SOP to allow him to simply refuse, regardless of circumstances, that seems to be a real travesty. Were an HPD officer to be involved in a similar shooting under similar circumstances, I feel rather confident that he would be ordered to submit to a BAC. But some apparently drunk malahini, federal employee / "agent" or not, gets to simply refuse? A good bit of this case, as many commenters have pointed out, seems to rest on real proof that deedy was drunk. Why should witnesses and the jury be forced to guess?
on July 25,2013 | 11:39AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Shoalshonu, Deedy refused to take the bac test. Simple. He understands how the system works. Bet you he also requested an attorney before making any statements.
on July 25,2013 | 12:24PM
false wrote:
HPD didn't BAC test the police person who was involved in a bus off the road accident sometime ago. Insider's treatments. Deedy refused until he could talk to his supervisor but it's for sure he lawyered up asap and Hart was right there. He must have a scanner.
on July 25,2013 | 07:23PM
51butterflies wrote:
The StarAd NEEDS to BE FAIR and present the FACTS, never a slanted version. That's the disadvantage of one publishing company.
on July 25,2013 | 11:15PM
yhls wrote:
Eh Carang da Buggaz, sounds like you need some of that education too, starting with your name. One of Allie's problem is he/she has something to contribute to anything and everything. Hence, the diarrhea. And his/her ignorance on anything local is self-explanatory.
on July 25,2013 | 11:40AM
hapaguy wrote:
For all you Deedy supporters that keep claiming that Deedy never fired on Elderts until Elderts grabbed for the gun when they were struggling. Testimony today that refutes that: "Salzbrenner testified she saw Deedy pull out his gun and fire a shot at Elderts, who then pushed the agent backwards. That first shot hit Elderts, the cashier said."
on July 25,2013 | 12:16PM
Peacenik wrote:
Elderts punched Gutkowski and Medeiros tackled him. This attack would make one feel their life may be in danger.
on July 25,2013 | 05:07PM
honopic wrote:
The best part of your response, silvangold is "you go girl." As in don't let the door hit her on her way out!
on July 25,2013 | 12:47PM
Mythman wrote:
I think I read the Agent Deedy saw combat in Libya prior to coming here - that he was involved in the incident that resulted in the killing of our ambassador in the Benghazi incident. This would contradict the prosecution's assertion that he is "inexperienced". He was a frat boy but he was acquainted with combat. I dunno, once you are in combat, it just gets easier to kill again - this is a reality......sorry.....
on July 25,2013 | 01:23PM
lynnh wrote:
Where the "F" did you get that? Just shut up already.
on July 26,2013 | 01:40AM
Mypualani wrote:
No wonder you got beat up,
on July 27,2013 | 11:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
Mythman you read right, I read that too. He was a part of the team to set up house in Benghazi/ Libya. But had left the place before the slaughter of the 3 special agents and the diplomat? that was there, please correct me if I am wrong about the Benghazi incident, Deedy was there but left before the loss of life, I bet those men were his friends and comrades May they all rest in peace..
on July 27,2013 | 11:26PM
wiliki wrote:
Yes... definitely not a joking Eldert and Medeiros. They were harassing the customer and looking for a fight with somebody in the restaurant.
on July 25,2013 | 02:36PM
toad103410 wrote:
Based on his past experiences with the law, does anyone on this site believe Elderts was a model citizen. Did not deserve to die in this fashion but it looks like he was a train wreck waiting to happen and it did.
on July 25,2013 | 03:28PM
false wrote:
When "Harry" the "spare" acts up, is he a train wreck? Men! They are all train wrecks from time to time.
on July 25,2013 | 07:26PM
Mypualani wrote:
Who here even said he was a model citizen. He wasn't humble that's for dang sure. But like you said he didn't deserve to die. No one deserves to die the way he did. just imagine if it was one of your kids, family member or friend. I shudder the thought. My son's work at a place in Kailua and I asked them about Elderts, my eldest said he did not deserve to die, he was kalohe that means rascal always joking around. is that a reason to die because your personality is such that you might rub someone the wrong way? eh put um up if not call the cops that is what they are there for.
on July 27,2013 | 11:34PM
slc3755 wrote:
Saltzbrenner asked Elderts if he was being racist? Of coarse not. Hurling the "Haole" multiple times is par for the coarse in Hawaii. Well I guess Elderts picked the wrong Haole to mess with that night.
on July 25,2013 | 04:02PM
CriticalReader wrote:
You should not be entitled to use the self-defense defense if you kill using a gun while under the influence of alcohol. PERIOD. The policy expectation should be that anyone carrying a gun LOSES the right to use the gun for self defense legally once they are under the influence. The law should require a gun carrier to simply go home and go to sleep if they happen to drink while armed. In fact, drinking while armed should be a crime in an of itself. We criminalize drinking and driving, and a gun is at least equally as dangerous as a car.
on July 25,2013 | 06:12PM
konakeoni99 wrote:
Well said!! Abuse of his "power" since he's a Federal Agent
on July 25,2013 | 08:45PM
51butterflies wrote:
well phrased, critical reader! Deedy is a SICK person and I find it despicable if my tax dollars pay him in any way!
on July 25,2013 | 11:12PM
312guy wrote:
not guilty period! watch the video
on July 25,2013 | 06:22PM
Maunawiliboy wrote:
a tragic turn or circumstances that maybe could have been avoided. my condolences.
on July 25,2013 | 09:11PM
51butterflies wrote:
1. this article incorrectly headlines "quarrel"- there was NO quarrel - just drunks exchanging words2 2. there was no physical harm when words were exchanged 3. DEEDY should have minded his own business of eating 4.intoxicated Deedy exchanged bully words that instigated a negative reaction from drunken Elderts and Medeiros 5.Deedy should not have carried a gun the same night he partied- the "crazies" as he texted 6. Deedy should not have thought he could solve his prejudicial issues by carrying a gun to protect himself 7. Deedy was not protecting others when he drew his loaded gun, he endangered all in that McDonald's 8. Deedy is guilty of ignorances- prejudice toward locals, drinking and packing a gun, taking an unarmed person's life
on July 25,2013 | 11:06PM
lynnh wrote:
The only thing Deedy is guilty of is not shooting Medeiros to.
on July 26,2013 | 01:44AM
false wrote:
You are sick. Go somewhere else on the planet and get Happy!
on July 26,2013 | 04:57AM
Mypualani wrote:
or you for that matter.
on July 27,2013 | 11:48PM
HAJAA1 wrote:
Another little punk acting tough to only those whom he knows he can get away with it. Well looks like he got his! Lessons learned the hard way no?
on July 25,2013 | 11:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
"The defense, however, maintains that Deedy fired in self-defense after he checked on Perrine, which angered Elderts and led to Elderts attacking him" Like I said earlier, who are you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes? That's from an old Groucho Marx movie. Te defense has a lot of spraining to do.or spinning to do.
on July 26,2013 | 05:15AM
mynah wrote:
manslaughter
on July 26,2013 | 02:50PM
IN OTHER NEWS
Latest News/Updates
Blogs
Political Radar
On policy

Warrior Beat
Apple fallout

Wassup Wit Dat!
Can You Spock ‘Em?

Warrior Beat
Meal plan

Volley Shots
Fey, Enriques on MJNT

Political Radar
Wilhelmina Rise, et al.

Court Sense
Cold War