Many women say Trump showed too much testosterone at debate
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Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump gestures during the presidential debate with Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y.
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. >> Constant interruption. A condescending tone. Eye-rolling.
For many women, the presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump was a case study in deja vu. For more than 90 minutes on a national stage, they said Tuesday, Trump subjected the first female presidential candidate from a major party to indignities they experience from men daily, in the workplace and beyond.
Tweeted Chicago-based writer Britt Julious: “Thoughts & prayers to every woman watching the #debates & getting painful flashbacks to dudes talking over them at work, school, home, etc.”
“The sad thing,” said Christina Emery, an author from Swansea, Illinois, “is that I’m so used to men interrupting women — especially when they want to change the subject — that I didn’t pay much attention to Trump’s behavior. I was focused on Clinton and how she handled herself.”
In the course of the debate, Trump interrupted Clinton 51 times, while she interrupted him 17 times.
Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communication who is director of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania, said Trump’s frequent interruptions of Clinton conformed with research concluding that men in group meetings interrupt women more than vice versa.
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“The question for the audience — did they interpret that as an attempt of a male candidate to disadvantage a female candidate,” said Jamieson. “If so, that hurts Donald Trump.”
Speaking on her campaign plane, Clinton said Trump’s “demeanor, his temperament, his behavior on the stage could be seen by everybody and people could draw their own conclusions.”
Asked about the interruptions and whether Trump might change his style in the next debate, his spokeswoman Hope Hicks praised his showing.
“Mr. Trump gave a stellar performance and showed a comprehensive understanding of the issues voters are most interested in including trade, economic development, and job creation,” she wrote in an email.
The exchanges between the candidates underscored how different they are. Unlike previous presidential debates, where there has been a thin veneer of respectful discourse between two men, this was a stark conversational divide.
And, some said, a gender divide, one that’s all too familiar to women.
“It’s frustrating in women’s lives,” said Deborah Tannen, a linguistics professor at Georgetown University who has written several books about how conversation affects relationships. “And to see it up there in a dramatic way, it’s a little bit of PTSD. You’re seeing the things you suffered from. It brings it back.”
Clinton’s deportment is of a piece with her experience as a Washington insider, first lady, and former secretary of state.
But Trump, whose roots are in reality TV and the male-dominated construction world, has always had an in-your-face style — and not just with women, as others pointed out on Tuesday. At debates during the Republican primaries, Trump was far from mannerly in his treatment of his opponents, male and female.
Jessica Light, a sophomore at the University of Toledo from Berea, Ohio, said Trump’s interruptions didn’t bother her: “She was being harsh and he was just standing up for himself,” she said.
Others found his behavior at the debate to be unnerving.
“Many women watching Trump’s treatment of Clinton feel a sickening sense of familiarity with patronizing behavior directed at them during every work day,” said Dr. Janet Scarborough Civitelli, a vocational psychologist in Austin, Texas. “Women become exhausted by the experience that no matter how much they accomplish or how hard they work, a man with a fraction of their knowledge and achievements stands ready to critique them.”
Trump reminded Deborath Calvanicoweinstein, a homemaker in Madison, Wisconsin, of the car repairmen who talk down to her, but not to her husband.
“I’ve felt it,” she said. “Even if I did know more than the person I was speaking with. I hope the (presidential) race exposes how sexism is still alive.”
Some said Trump was condescending from the start of the debate.
“In all fairness to Secretary Clinton — yes, is that OK?” Trump said. Clinton smiled and nodded. “Good. I want you to be very happy. It’s very important to me.”
At a debate watch party in St. Petersburg at The Queenshead bar, that remark was met with groans in the audience.
“I think she looked great when she talked, and I think she looked even better when he talked,” said Trish Collins of St. Petersburg.
For others, like author Tyler King of Orlando, the debate marked a moment when a highly visible woman turned a spotlight on something that’s been happening for eons.
“Even if we don’t say it out loud, we share those looks across the conference table. We see it. And little by little, more women are reaching the limits of their patience and speaking out,” she said.
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Just vote for Gary Johnson and have a clear conscience. Mr. Johnson’s chances are slim but miracles happen all the time!
For Donald –
“First they ignore you, then they mock you, then they fight you, then you win.” M. Gandhi
It didn’t matter cause she kicked his butt.
It was humiliating for Trump, which is why he’s been whining all day about conspiracies against him. What a load.
Yep, every time he falls behind, tosses around conspiracy theories, blaming everyone but himself.
What a LOSER!
Ladies and gentlemen, this year’s winner of the funniest use of a Gandhi quote! PRICELESS!
The truth hurts – Doesn’t it?
I first her the term yobo in a Korean bar in 1966. Lol.
Dishonest Donald seeing Dr Arakaki at Universal Men’s Clinic for his, uhm, problems?
Trump and Hillary are both equally reprehensible in their own ways. One doesn’t hide the fact the he’s insulting you, the other hides the fact that she’s insulting you through her deception – not sure there’s a huge difference.
there’s the AP spinning again that liberal press, don’t believe anything they print bad about trump is all lies, many women, I only read about 3 to 4 women making comments the other 50 or more women liked trump, but the Liberal mental disorder AP won’t tell you that.
Deep State’ Getting More Desperate
The ludicrous headline today is on the front page of the New York Times and it states, ‘With pay rising millions climb out of poverty; economic tipping point, more and better, jobs blacks and hispanics gain the most.’ What utter crap. The Deep State is getting so desperate to create an environment in which their candidate, Hilary Clinton, can be elected that they will apparently resort to anything.
There Is Still Time
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Another cut and paste from a website.
Can you ever write your own words? About anything?
Are you sight, hearing, or cognitively impaired? Trump tells a lie every 3 minutes! He boasts of being sexist! As an admirer, you know that. He also hides his tax returns, which you misguidedly support. (Ask him to show YOU his taxes.) He talks as if most Mexicans are rapists and murderers. He pushed the paranoid birther theory for years, then tried to take credit for “putting it to rest.” etc.
When you say and do the things Trump has done, the NORMAL media will pick on those things. NORMAL people don’t like it. It only takes NORMAL thought to understand that.
And don’t change the subject, don’t talk about his opponent. Address the things Trump has said and done. Don’t let him mislead you!
It’s amusing because Trump cannot admit making any mistake of any kind. It’s not that Trump performed terribly; knew nothing about the subject matter; and babbled incoherently, but his disgraceful performance was because of conspiracies.
Right. Exactly.
September 27, 2016 at 3:54 am
Hmmmn, a leopard that practices misogyny will always have difficulty changing his spots. So, you say it is being taken out of context, then let’s do a brief history of a Trump of sexist remarks and actions.
These are just some of the names that Donald Trump has called women over the years. Yes, a man who’s hoping to become President of the United States and presumably persuade a few women to vote for him, too.
The billionaire has been widely called out for his objectification of women – he has a tendency to criticise them for their looks – and sexist remarks.
From saying no one would vote for his former rival Carly Fiorina because of her face to saying women should be ‘punished’ for having abortions and ‘joking’ that he’d date his daughter, you couldn’t make this stuff up.
Well, if you just can’t get enough of Trump-grade sexism, you’re in luck. We’ve rounded up some of ‘The Donald’s’ most sexist remarks over the years.
To include them all might have broken the internet, but we’ll keep updating the list as more emerge. Promise.
Brace yourself…
1990: When he belittled his wife
In an interview with Vanity Fair, while he was still married to Ivana, Trump said:
“I would never buy Ivana any decent jewels or pictures. Why give her negotiable assets?”
1991: When he called women ‘beautiful pieces of ass’
Back when George HW Bush was US President, Trump spoke to Esquire magazine about the media: “You know, it doesn’t really matter what [they] write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass.”
He is currently married to 45-year old former supermodel Melania.
1997: When he said all women are goldiggers
From seminal tome, Trump: The Art of the Comeback on prenuptial agreements:
“There are basically three types of women and reactions. One is the good woman who very much loves her future husband, solely for himself, but refuses to sign the agreement on principle. I fully understand this, but the man should take a pass anyway and find someone else. The other is the calculating woman who refuses to sign the prenuptial agreement because she is expecting to take advantage of the poor, unsuspecting sucker she’s got in her grasp. There is also the woman who will openly and quickly sign a prenuptial agreement in order to make a quick hit and take the money given to her.”
2004: When he said he was irresistible to women (take away his inherited money and he would be monger of the first order)
Back in 2004, Trump told the Daily News: “all of the women on The Apprentice flirted with me – consciously or unconsciously. That’s to be expected”.
2005: When he told a woman she’d ‘make a great wife’
According to one woman who appeared on the show, Trump told her: “I bet you make a great wife”.
The comment never aired on TV. Can’t imagine why – standard job interview stuff, right?
March 7, 2006: When he cracked an incest gag
According to ABC News, back in 2006 Trump said “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
A spokesman later said it was a ‘joke’.
2006: When he slagged off Rosie O’Donnell part one
It’s no secret that there’s no love lost between Trump and comedian O’Donnell. Perhaps his most notorious rant against her came on American TV show Entertainment Tonight in 2006, when he said: “Rosie O’Donnell is disgusting, both inside and out. If you take a look at her, she’s a slob. How does she even get on television? If I were running The View, I’d fire Rosie. I’d look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers and say, ‘Rosie, you’re fired.’
“We’re all a little chubby but Rosie’s just worse than most of us. But it’s not the chubbiness — Rosie is a very unattractive person, both inside and out.”
He also took a job at her love life and managed to offend the LGBT community at the same time: “Rosie’s a person who’s very lucky to have her girlfriend. And she better be careful or I’ll send one of my friends over to pick up her girlfriend, why would she stay with Rosie if she had another choice?”
2007: When he compared women to architecture
This appears in his bible of business wisdom, Trump 101: The Way to Success:
“Beauty and elegance, whether in a woman, a building, or a work of art, is not just superficial or something pretty to see.”
At least our beauty isn’t superficial, eh ladies?
2007: When he called Angelina ‘not beautiful’
On Larry King’s CNN show, Trump addressed Jolie’s falling out with her father Jon Voight, saying:
“I really understand beauty. And I will tell you, she’s not—I do own Miss Universe. I do own Miss USA. I mean I own a lot of different things. I do understand beauty, and she’s not”.
June 2007: When he pitched ‘Lady or a Tramp?’
Yes, really. This was reported to be a reality show, in which ‘out of control’ party girls were sent to charm school to learn some manners. Because, God forbid a woman should be anything but demure.
Tragically, it was never made.
2008: When he called Anne Hathaway a goldigger
When the actresses marriage broke-up, following her husband Rafaella Follierei’s financial and legal troubles, Trump told Access Hollywood:
“So when he had plenty of money, she liked him. But then after that, not as good, right?
2009: ‘The Trump rule’
Beauty queen Carrie Prejean wrote about the ‘Trump rule’ in her book, referring to the Miss USA pageant, of which Trump is co-owner. She claimed that the billionaire had the girls parade in front of him, so he could separate those he found attractive from those he didn’t.
She wrote: “Many of the girls found this exercise humiliating. Some of the girls were sobbing backstage after [he] left, devastated to have failed even before the competition really began . . . it was as though we had been stripped bare.”
November, 2010: When he asked men to rate women
According to a report in the New York Post, former female contestants on the show complained that Trump consistently objectified women.
Mahsa Saeidi-Azcuy claimed: “So much of the boardroom discussion concerned the appearance of the female contestants—discussing the female contestants’ looks—who he found to be hot.
“He asked the men to rate the women — he went down the line and asked the guys, ‘Who’s the most beautiful on the women’s team?’ ”
Gene Folkes, a 46-year-old financial adviser, said: “I think it was most uncomfortable when he had one [female] contestant come around the board table and twirl around.”
2011: When he called breastfeeding ‘disgusting’
Trump was in court testifying in a deposition over a failed Florida real estate project, when lawyer Elizabeth Beck asked to take a break to breastfeed her three-month old daughter.
Trump and his team objected, so she pulled out her breast pump to prove it. In an incident that the Republican presidential candidate ‘does not dispute’, he walked out of the room, telling Beck she was ‘disgusting’.
2011: When he called a female journalist a ‘dog’
After New York Times columnist Gail Collins wrote about rumours of Trump’s bankruptcy, he sent her a copy of her own article, with her picture circled and ‘the face of a dog!’ scrawled across it.
April 3, 2012: When he joked about his penis
In 2012, transgender Miss Universe contestant Jenna Talackova was kicked out of the contest for not having declared her trans status in her entry (the pageant does now accept trans people). Talackova’s lawyer, Gloria Allred, angrily said that no one had asked Trump to ‘prove’ he was a man by showing his anatomy.
In response, Trump called in to TMZ Live and said of his penis: “I think Gloria would be very impressed”.
May 11, 2012: When he criticised Cher
In 2012, the singer criticised Trump’s friend and right-wing politician Mitt Romney. His response? To attack her appearance, of course.
August 28, 2012: When he insulted Arianna Huffington
Huffington Post editor and co-founder, Arianna Huffington is a regular target of Trump’s. But instead of attacking her liberal views, he tends to criticise her looks and make jokes about her divorce.
March 3, 2013 : When he made an oral sex joke
Former Playboy playmate Brande Roderick was a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice in the US. During a tense boardroom battle, she knelt in front of Trump – who takes the Alan Sugar role – to ask him whether she could be the next project manager.
After a six second silence (an eternity on TV), during which Trump presumably willed some blood to return to his head – he said: “It must be a pretty picture. You dropping to your knees”.
Because isn’t that woman’s place in the boardroom – on her knees?
May 7, 2013: When he blamed sex assault on cohabitation
Rather than, say, questioning why so many assaults go unreported or why so few perpetrators are brought to justice. Nope, it must be down to the fact that women and men just can’t share the same living quarters.
2015: When he did a u-turn on abortion
Having previously supported the pro-choice lobby, Trump has now changed his stance on abortion to fit in with the Republican party.
He’s also said he’d be willing to shut down the US Government to defund non-profit reproductive health organisation Planned Parenthood.
He told the Des Moines Register in April: “In thinking about it over the years, I’ve had instances, and one instance in particular, a friend had a child who they were going to abort, and now they have it, and the child is incredible. And the man, he changed his views also because of that.” telegraph
Sort of a Howard’s Zinn People’s History of Ugly Sexist Remarks and Actions by the Donald, huh??
Should have known, a Howard Zinn disciple. That explains a lot. Ike’s trying to demonstrate his fashionable, hip, and with-it bona fides by name dropping an America hating, self-loathing socialist (who is no longer with us). For some unexplained reason progressives have chosen to bash the American founding and our system of government where individual liberty is prized. The only explanation I have is that liberalism is a mental disorder.
So liberalism is a mental disorder, but all white supremacists, racists and bigots are conservatives?
You are one remarkable social scientist! Is you scholarly work published?
You make the common mistake of linking racists and bigots to conservatives. A clear cut case of projection if there ever was one. I urge you to seek help while you can still manage your illness.
CEI – It’s not projection, (like you just made up out of thin air using your fake degree) it’s fact.
Look who is supporting Trump. White supremacists, racist, bigots and imbeciles. Who self-identify as being conservative. You can lie and deny it if you want. I don’t care. It’s fact.
You left out deplorables. Was that intentional?
Ever heard of Bill Clinton? Geesh!
Here’s a better headline: Many men say Clinton showed too much pant-suit at debate. Mrs. Clinton wanted to thank Omar the tent maker for the dazzling red suit she sported.
Better headlines for you, fictional college degrees are the most affordable as they do not cost anything and you can makeup the degrees to suit your posts.
Ike, I’d love to engage you in a war of wits, but it’s clear you are unarmed.
I got two degrees from the college of Elihu, what are you packing besides fictional sci-fi degrees?
OK … so you hate women. You’ve made that clear many times.
Interesting that you don’t comment on Mr. Trump’s gigantic girth. He is morbidly obese, and orange.
How’s your PHD?
It’s meaningless to me whether Bill’s wife is a woman, man or otherwise. What frightens me is her Marxist-Leninist leanings. You know, the whole communist international thing better known as Comintern for those in the know. Of course now they call themselves progressives. After all who is against progress? The trouble is progress means an uneven distribution of political power i.e. world government. So I’ll roll the dice of an obese orange dude with really bad hair before I support Karl Marx in a pant-suit.
The good thing for the United States is that Trump is going to lose. So get used to four years and probably eight years of a President who wears a pant suit.
“I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
Too bad for her she’s a terrible liar. Now Bill on the other hand is the textbook definition of a convincing liar. Even though you know for sure he is lying you are still inclined to believe him. Hillary just can’t pull it off. She has the full force and power of the media behind her and she’s still lagging in the polls. What went wrong?
You’re making up that Mrs. Clinton is lagging behind in the polls. She’s ahead in the polls and has a big advantage in the electoral college. And that was before the Trump disaster last night.
Facts are stubborn debate opponents.
Uh, no. It’s not “too much testosterone. It’s not enough Serotonin. (look up “5HTTLPR”) Levels of this neurotransmitter are correlated with self-blame and impulsivity behaviors. See the DSM IV for diagnostic indicators based on behavioral characteristics then look at the research on neurotransmitter levels in populations exhibiting those characteristic behaviors.
Not to quibble, but I believe the DSM-5 superseded DSM-IV-TR as the latest encyclopedia of psychobabble.
The sparring between Ikefromeli and CEI on this page are much more interesting that Clinton and Trump!! Care to run for President?
Only if Ike promises not to wear a pant-suit.
And you not to make up more fictious degrees and careers; they are hard to keep track of, due to the large number.
Trump whined all day about his defective microphone – an obvious lie – and Mr. Holt’s lack of fairness.
It’s a sure bet that when a debater throws conspiracy theories all around, that he lost the debate. Trump was destroyed last night. It was a merciless pounding by Mrs. Clinton.
Trump is a psychotic.
Hillary did fine, but the credit goes to Donald, who came in unprepared (because he’s too cool to study)!
The further down he goes in the polls, and the worse he does in the following debates, the more psychotic behavior we’ll see. Even some of his current followers (those who are not psychotic) might start saying “What a loser! I’m not voting for that weirdo!”
He may very well make the decision to not participate in the next two debates. Not showing up at all would probably do less damage than he did to himself last night.
Charges of psychosis, ridiculing a man because of his hair style, calling him out because he’s carrying a few extra pounds. Have you ever stopped for one minute to consider that you may have hurt the Donald’s feelings? How uncaring can you be?
Trump is fair game because he constantly comments on how people look. One would expect that a person who looks like a morbidly obese off-duty undisciplined circus clown would not mock women. It’s like he doesn’t have any mirrors spaced between the gigantic portraits of himself that his foundation buys illegally with tax-exempt money.
American society has given us two of the worst human beings possible to choose from. It says alot about how bad we are as a society. We have no one to blame but ourselves.
I’ve noticed that no Hillary supporters have anything good to say about their own candidate…just bad things about Trump.
From the Canadian Toronto Globe and Mail.
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I will never understand how any moral person in good conscience could vote for this woman.
maybe too much testosterone, but lacked knowledge, ability, demeanor, and intelligence to be president, maybe janitor. is there an opening in the white house for janitor?
That is a ridiculous sexist statement to make about testosterone.