Military community split over Trump’s feud with Khans
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In this Aug. 3, 2016, photo, Jacob Jeske, 28, a commercial diver from Portsmouth, Va., stands outside the Navy Exchange near Naval Station Norfolk, Va.
NORFOLK, Va. >> Robin Starck is a retired submarine commander who still lives in the shadow of America’s largest naval base, and he’s heard all the shouting about Donald Trump and his tangle with the parents of a U.S. Army officer killed in Iraq.
Doesn’t matter. He’s still for Trump.
“Trump goes to the extreme,” said Starck, 79. “Sometimes he goes off the wall.” But he added, “I don’t see myself changing my mind.”
The Hampton Roads area of Virginia — home not only to Naval Station Norfolk, but a vast collection of defense contractors, including the shipyards that build America’s aircraft carriers — has been a Trump stronghold. The New York billionaire won most of the counties that make up the area along the James River in Virginia’s March 1 primary.
It’s the sort of place where Trump’s days of criticism of Khizr and Ghazala Khan, a Muslim-American family whose son, Capt. Humayun Khan, was killed while serving in Iraq in 2004, might be expected to alienate people, many with deep and personal ties to the military.
But Starck is one of several interviewed by The Associated Press this past week who said they have other concerns that are keeping them loyal to Trump, among them picking a conservative Supreme Court justice to replace the late Antonin Scalia and getting rid of President Barack Obama’s health care law, which Hillary Clinton pledges to defend.
The fight with the Khans was a “big mistake,” Starck said, but it was also blown out of “proportion.”
The feud was set off when Khizr Khan, his wife silent at his side, denounced Trump from the stage of the Democratic National Convention for his views about Muslims. Trump responded angrily and would not back down even as many Republicans expressed revulsion that he would fight with the family of a slain soldier.
Jacob Jeske, 28, a commercial diver from Portsmouth, said the episode was not a “big deal to me.”
“He means well,” Jeske said. “He’s just going by his emotions. He’s not sitting there and thinking about it.”
Jeske believes a Trump presidency would mean more work for him, given the candidate’s promises to invest deeply in the military. As a diver, Jeske often makes his living by helping to maintain Navy ships.
“Trump knows that the military comes first, before any refugees or anyone else,” he said.
Richard Cormier, 61, a civilian doctor on a Navy supply ship, agrees.
“If he’s going to build a strong military, all the other issues go away,” said Cormier, who is stationed in Norfolk. “That directly bears on my job. I don’t even watch the news anymore, because it’s all mudslinging and people getting shot.”
Not all said they could look past Trump’s fight with the Khans, joining with the many senior Republicans who condemned his remarks and urged him to apologize. Republican Scott Taylor, a former Navy SEAL who is running for Congress in Hampton Roads, is one.
“Donald Trump’s back and forth engagements with the Khans are counterproductive,” Taylor said this past week in a statement. “I encourage him to sincerely apologize to them and to end this issue now.”
Another is James Atticus Bowden, a retired Army officer and the president of a defense consulting company, who said Trump was “classless to fuss at a Gold Star family” and should “just keep his mouth shut.”
But Bowden, who supported Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in Virginia’s primary and is still undecided about whom to vote for in November, said his bigger concern is Trump’s lack of military service. Trump received five draft deferments during the Vietnam era, one of which stemmed from temporary bone spurs in his feet.
“He was a draft dodger when he could have served and should have served,” said Bowden, who lives in Poquoson, Virginia.
Carolyn Hersh, 52, a psychotherapist from Portsmouth, said she can no longer vote for Trump after the Khan controversy.
“He shouldn’t have taken it personally,” said Hersh, whose husband is a former Navy doctor. “Coming from a military community, that was just (too much).”
But voting for Clinton is not an option for Hersh. She said she has too many concerns about the economy, which include government spending on entitlement programs, to cast her ballot for the Democratic nominee.
“I would have voted for him a couple weeks ago — not happily, but I would have,” Hersh said of Trump. “I’ve never not voted. But that’s something that’s on the table.”
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Let us know how the military feels about lying crooked HiLIARy. Now that would be news…Benghazi – Clearly the most reprehensible lie of them all – Clinton failed to tell the truth about a terrorist attack that killed four Americans in Benghazi. She claimed for weeks, standing over the flag-draped coffins of murdered Americans, that an insensitive YouTube video had incited the violence that occurred that night. Why? Because a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 – which it was – would have destroyed President Obama’s re-election chances. But hey, at the end of the day it’s worth it to Clinton to tell a politically expedient lie, so long as her party can stay in power.
Even chelsea knew it was a Terrorist attack.
It wasn’t “weeks.” The story kept changing over the next week. That really isn’t unusual with news stories, if you’d been paying attention over the years. The first reports you hear tend to be garbled. Then you learn more info and come closer to what happened. The process is heightened now because our communications have been sped up. When I grew up a story would be in the newspaper or evening news, and you’d have to wait an entire day before there were any updates (Imagine! The dark ages!). Now news breaks and everyone runs with it even before it gets checked out thoroughly. Then new facts emerge and the story changes, and in the partisan atmosphere people say the first reports were “lies!” No they weren’t. It’s just all the facts weren’t out yet. You people need to learn to relax and not leap on things the moment they emerge. Take it easy. Take it slow. Meditate. It could help you calm down.
Except, in the case of Benghazi, the “narrative” about the video was concocted by Obama’s advisor, Ben Rhodes. Motivation: to keep the blame off the Obama administration prior to the election. By the time the Benghazi memorial service (and Obama’s speech to the UN) rolled around, it was crystal clear that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack on Americans who had been left hanging in an indefensible, obviously hostile environment. It was at that point that Clinton callously lied to the parents/family members about their relative’s cause of death.
Note: Keeping calm and relaxing doesn’t mean you have to stop thinking.
10 congressional committees have participated in Benghazi investigations. 33 hearings. 13 published reports. About 7 million dollars of taxpayer money wasted on a partisan witch hunt that produced no evidence of a stand-down order. No evidence of intelligence failures. No evidence of administration wrongdoing. And yet the wingnuts just can’t accept this- because the only acceptable outcome to them would to be find evidence of wrongdoing, because they’ve already decided that there was- despite the fact that they have nothing to substantiate this but their own biased preconceptions.
Being calm and relaxed will not help wingnuts ferret out truth- they are not interested in truth, but rather, in things that will support their anti-Obama, anti-Hillary, anti-liberal, anti-immigrant, anti-minority, etc. stance. Any news story that comes out- in a Pavlovian fashion, they eagerly explore ways to spin it negatively against whomever they don’t like. It’s a sad substitute for objective thinking.
Well, kolo, I’ll ask you a question I’ve asked before with no response, namely, is Hillary a documented liar or not?
There’s those times when silence speaks louder than words.
Not everyone has as much time on their hands as you do. You don’t get an answer because it is self-evident. So here’s a simple answer for a simple person: No politician, Clinton not excluded,has not said something that was not true at some point. Go to any independent fact-checking website, and compare percentages between Clinton and Trump. But you already know the result you’re going to get, don’t you? But of course it’s because of the liberal media! It’s everyone not voting Trump that’s crazy! Cuuuccckkooo
Below we chronicle just 21 of the myriad Clinton Cash-related revelations that have emerged since the book’s publication—all of which have been confirmed and verified as accurate by national media organizations.
Huffington Post: Clintons Bagged at Least $3.4 Million for 18 Speeches Funded by Keystone Pipeline Banks
Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce and TD Bank—two of the Keystone XL pipeline’s largest investors—fully or partially bankrolled eight Hillary Clinton speeches that “put more than $1.6 million in the Democratic candidate’s pocket,” reports the Huffington Post.
Moreover, according to Clinton Cash, during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as Sec. of State, Bill Clinton delivered 10 speeches from Nov. 2008 to mid-2011 totaling $1.8 million paid for by TD Bank, which held a $1.6 billion investment in the Keystone XL pipeline.
The Clintons’ speaking fees windfall, which has infuriated environmental groups, have yet to be addressed by Hillary Clinton.
New York Times: Clinton Foundation Shook Down a Tiny Tsunami Relief Nonprofit for a $500,000 Speaking Fee
Bill Clinton refused to give a speech for a tiny nonprofit seeking to raise money for tsunami victims until the group agreed to pay a $500,000 speaking fee to the Clinton Foundation. The Times reported that the Clinton Foundation “sent the charity an invoice,” which “amounted to almost a quarter of the evening’s net proceeds—enough to build 10 preschools in Indonesia.”
New York Magazine: Clinton Foundation “Strong-Armed” Charity Watchdog Group
When “the Clinton Foundation wound up on a ‘watch list’ maintained by the Charity Navigator, dubbed the ‘most prominent’ nonprofit watchdog,” reported New York Magazine writer Gabriel Sherman, “the Foundation attempted to strong-arm them by calling a Navigator board member.”
International Business Times: Hillary Clinton’s State Dept. Gave Clinton Foundation Donors Weapons Deals
“Under Clinton’s leadership, the State Department approved $165 billion worth of commercial arms sales to 20 nations whose governments have given money to the Clinton Foundation, according to an IBTimes analysis of State Department and foundation data,” reports IBT. “That figure—derived from the three full fiscal years of Clinton’s term as Secretary of State (from October 2010 to September 2012)—represented nearly double the value of American arms sales made to the those countries and approved by the State Department during the same period of President George W. Bush’s second term.”
Salon, MotherJones, HuffingtonPost, Slate, and several other liberal publications reported on IBT’s findings.
Washington Post: Clintons Hid 1,100 Foreign Donor Names in Violation of Ethics Agreement with Obama Admin.
Clinton Cash revealed five hidden foreign donations. On the heels of the book’s publication, the Washington Post uncovered another 1,100 foreign donor names hidden in the Canada-based Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership—a Clinton Foundation initiative Bill Clinton erected with controversial billionaire mining executive Frank Giustra.
“A charity affiliated with the Clinton Foundation failed to reveal the identities of its 1,100 donors, creating a broad exception to the foundation’s promise to disclose funding sources as part of an ethics agreement with the Obama administration,” reports the Washington Post. “The number of undisclosed contributors to the charity, the Canada-based Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership, signals a larger zone of secrecy around foundation donors than was previously known.”
In a follow-up story, the Post reports that only 21 of Frank Giustra and Bill Clinton’s secret 1,100 foreign donors have subsequently been revealed. If and when the other 1,079 hidden donors names will be revealed is presently unclear—and will be the subject of forthcoming investigative reports by Breitbart News.
Donald will pump money into the military? Lol. Really?
“He’s just going by his emotions. He’s not sitting there and thinking about it.” This is exactly what I don’t want in a president! I do want someone who in a crisis will put their emotions aside and sit there and think about it before taking action.
What I don’t want is someone who “thinks about it before taking action” but then lies to and manipulates the American public and sells out the sovereignty of our country to globalists.
Exactly. He can fly into a rage over a tweet. He’s profoundly mentally ill.
Care to comment on the mental state of a person who can’t stop lying, even after having been caught at it repeatedly? Ms. Clinton has a problem with the truth. Why wouldn’t a rational person conclude that this problem will be worse once she has the protections of the presidency?
Just like another Clinton saying “I did not have sex with that woman” on camera in front of millions. Bangin Bill’s priority was banging Monica in the oval office on the presidential desk.
saveparadise – That didn’t happen, of course. But feel free to write down your fantasies.
Klastri, Bill may not have “banged” Monica, but exactly where did she earn her “Presidential kneepads,” about she herself boasted after performing oral you-know-what on President Clinton?
Klastr: You’re bad. Everyone alive at the time saw Clinton’s taped interview in which he said exactly that.
Man, this Clinton thing of saying the obvious isn’t true is catching.
Ronin006 – You try to obfuscate and make excuses for lying. I don’t.
Yup klasless you just flat out lie.
Yes, Klastri, and I suppose you would say I was lying if I mentioned Monica’s blue dress with a drop or two of semen containing Bill Clinton’s DNA.
That would be the Chump. Outright lies! How can you mistake a smaller private jet with the hostages disembarking with a cargo plane unloading pallets of cash. The guy can Bulls–t with the best of them. I can only conclude that he’s supporters are also experts at the art of bull shi-t–ng.
Ronin006 – You would “suppose” wrong then. But you probably would not say that because it’s the truth.
That is something you are not particularly good at.
On Wednesday, Hillary Clinton stood in front of a large crowd and criticized Donald Trump for his ties not being made in America, but it turns out her entire pantsuits are generally made in Bangladesh or China.
The Hill reported: On Wednesday, Hillary Clinton stood in front of a clothing display at American-made Knotty Ties in Colorado. The image was to portray the message that Trump ties can be made in America. “So, why does Donald Trump make his ties in China?” Clinton asked.
She failed to mention that this company, Knotty Ties, predominantly hires Muslim refugees, which effectively steals all those so-called jobs from Americans.
Don’t you find it hypocritical that Clinton stands in front of a Colorado tie company (full of refugee non-American workers) to point out that Donald Trump makes his ties in China and suits in Mexico.
While she wears clothing from designers who manufacture most of theirs in China, Bangladesh, India and Sri Lanka?
There was plenty of conversation surrounding the white pantsuit Clinton wore at the Democrat national convention while accepting the nomination. We’re told it was a Ralph Lauren pantsuit. She’s also known to wear Armani pantsuits at her speeches. Ralph Lauren and Armani assemble many of their products in Bangladesh.
sarge22 – You’re all mixed up again. Like always.
It’s newsworthy to point out Mr. Trump’s decision to locate manufacturing outside the country, because he criticizes others for doing so. He’s forever talking about forcing (through some magic only he knows) manufacturers to bring the manufacturing back to the US. The reason that’s an odd thing for him to say (among a very long list of odd things) is because he is one of the people he complains about. He’s talking about himself, and his supporters (like you, for instance) don’t know what that means.
Mrs. Clinton doesn’t manufacturing clothing outside of the United States.
Can you see why your argument fell apart? Please try to think things through – even if even just a little bit.
The Obama administration is behaving like a “drug cartel” in its foreign policy dealings with Iran, Sen. Tom Cotton said Sunday, charging that a $400 million cash payment to Iran earlier this year sends a signal of weakness.
Speaking on “Fox News Sunday,” the Arkansas Republican said the exchange — which coincided with the release of four American hostages held by Iran — surely was interpreted as a ransom payment by Iranian leaders, harming American credibility in the process.
“I think it’s really shocking to most Americans that the United States government was acting like a drug cartel or a Third World gunrunner might, stacking cash on a pallet and wrapping it in cellophane and flying it in an unmarked aircraft to give to the world’s worst state sponsor of terrorism,” Mr. Cotton said. “There are still a lot of questions left to be answered and the Obama administration continues to stonewall.”
The White House maintained last week that the $400 million was not a ransom payment, though officials have not been able to say whether Iran would have released the hostages if the money wasn’t delivered.
Trump and his sad, dwindling little band of wingnuts should change their slogan to “but what about Benghazi?” They don’t have any positive, workable ideas to move the country forward- so they just keep revisiting the same old tired issue that has already been put to legal rest. They are not losing the country- of their own accord, it is leaving them behind.
You’re correct of course. And the reason that the rest of the Republican leadership isn’t in the “what about Benghazi?” echo chamber any longer is that they have actually read the Gowdy report. There’s nothing there to connect Mrs. Clinton to anything she has been accused of by the wing nuts on this comment board. Nothing.
Mr. Trump’s supporters see that his candidacy is heading toward disaster (it’s already reached that point) and they can’t do anything about it except try to divert attention away from Mr. Trump’s multiple personality defects by shouting Benghazi. His supporters share the most crippling Trump personality defect, which is a total lack of intellectual curiosity. It’s a sad and pathetic thing to watch.
Klastri, thanks for your post of issues, but they are not the real issues. The primary support for Mr. Trump is his nominations to the U.S. Supreme Court and all the Federal Courts across the Country. The nominations to the Federal Courts makes the biggest impact to our Country. Second will be the repeal of all the illegal Executive Orders not yet reversed by the U.S. Supreme court. Third, is the repeal of all the administrative rules established illegally through the Departments and their Secretaries.
Mr. Trump was asked what executive orders he thinks are illegal, and he could not name one of them. Not a single one.
Spectacularly unfit for office.
Poor, poor little wingnuts, their think parts just aren’t up to the job.
On the other hand, what do we call the Clinton supporters who so easily ignore the herd of pachyderms (elephants) and apes (800 pound gorillas) in the room regarding their candidate? I say we call you folks Obliviosites, as in a person oblivious to the obvious.
For example, Obliviosites are congenitally oblivious to the following:
Clinton’s failure as Secretary of State
Clinton’s direct/obvious ties to the Wall Street bankers through her speaker fees payola and huge campaign contributions
Clinton’s blatant conflict of interest, probably direct corruption, through the Clinton Foundation
Clinton’s seeming inability to actually tell the truth
Clinton’s casual willingness to put her personal interest ahead of national security in the email scandal
Clinton’s hubby, an alleged rapist, disbarred, serial sexual harasser.
There’s plenty more
So easy to ignore this stuff if you’re an Obliviosite, I guess. You and Klstr should form a club where you can ignore/be oblivious to stuff together. One thing is sure, for personal sanity, such a club would grow by leaps and bounds if Ms. Clinton is elected—the need to not know/think about silly little things like presidential honesty and competence will be HUGE.
The good news is that there aren’t enough poorly educated men to elect Mr. Trump. He’s done.
Get used to eight more years of a Democrat in the White House. At least you’ll have something to whine about.
Do you have small hands?
sarge22 – What happened to you that makes you act always like a 12 year old?
Does Ike know you are out of the parrot cage?
That is exactly correct.the math doesn’t lie.
Hahaha,all I know,without reading all these comments is HILLARY is up double digits in the polls.
You are only wasting your time. The republicans are slamming the Chump. If you are still a Chump supporter then you belong to a sub species that soon will be extinct.
Wow! That’s an impressive list. I had no idea. You’ve convinced me … we should have an unprepared, unstable nut case running the country.
What?
Ha- exactly.
It’s also amusing to hear that military employees and military retirees are trying to overturn Obamacare, when they themselves – and their families – are protected by an absolute form of socialized medicine. They are not subjected at all to the risks of being uninsured – the DOD and VA provides full socialized medicine – but yet they want others to run the risk of medical bankruptcies. Thanks a lot, folks!
Hmmmmm. Could it be that those thinking military people see Obamacare as an unfundable, failing, illconceived mess populated only by sick people vs. the military healthcare system which is none of those things.
The military system is full fledged socialism.
The Republicans wouldn’t have allowed that to be expanded to other folks.
Spoken like a true commie. When were you brainwashed?
Great illustration of the problem with your demographic sarge- these kind of feeble responses.
sarge22 – A “true commie?”
The issue with you is that you don’t know anything. Nothing. The military medical system is absolute, rock solid socialized medicine. So is the VA. Socialized medicine.
Khan’s son is certainly an American hero but that does not make his father automatically immune from criticism for his political views. Khan threw down the gauntlet when he asked Trump if he has read the Constitution. The very same question should be asked of Mr. Khan and how as a Muslim he can be loyal to both Sharia law and the US Constitution. As a devout Muslim he cannot pledge allegiance to both.
How did you manufacture and write that Mr. Khan is beholden to sharia law?
What is gained from lying like this?
Ask HiLIARy. She is an expert on lying. She has taught you well.
Make sure to change the subject if you have no idea what you’re talking about. That tactic always works for you.
Time to change the subject—Koskinen has aided and abetted the Obama administration in covering up a scandal of monstrous proportion and severity –the chilling Obama administration scheme that involved former IRS employee Lois Lerner to deploy the awesome power of the IRS in order to cripple conservative groups and target conservative individuals and help President Obama win re-election in 2012.
Whereas, IRS Commissioner Koskinen has abused his office through dereliction of duty, failure to comply with court orders, and breach of trust. Documents forced out of the Obama IRS by Judicial Watch lawsuits prove that this program was directed from IRS headquarters.
Whereas, IRS Commissioner John Koskinen continues to stonewall Judicial Watch, the courts and Congress in their investigations of this chilling conspiracy! Mr. Koskinen’s persistent unlawful “high crimes and misdemeanors” require impeachment.
Koskinen? Obama? Are these people running for President this year?
Didn’t think so.
sarge22 – If you’re trying to make me feel sorry for you, it’s working.
Just more corruption practiced by the d-rats. Will it ever end? Mr Trump will fix the problem. Be very afraid. “If you’re trying to make me feel sorry for you, it’s working” Lies, lies and more lies.
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Hillary Clinton’s Top 10 Lies & Exaggerations
Secretary Clinton’s claim that she tried to join the Marines in the 1970s is coming under fresh scrutiny from the media. As Chris Cillizza highlighted yesterday “this isn’t the first time that Clinton might have been caught exaggerating the details of her past life.” Far from it. While her campaign tries to prevent the Marine recruitment story from joining the all-time ranks of Clinton’s lies and exaggerations, here’s a refresher on the top ten lies and exaggerations of Secretary Clinton’s career in politics.
Clinton Claim 1: During the 2008 Presidential campaign, Clinton claimed she landed in Bosnia “under sniper fire” during the 1990s.
The Facts: Videos uncovered of then-First Lady Clinton’s arrival in Bosnia showed “a calm scene without any obvious danger”.
Clinton Claim 2: In an interview, Clinton stated that she “came out of the White House not only dead broke, but in debt”.
The Facts: PolitiFact rated Hillary Clinton’s claim “Mostly False” that she was “dead broke” when she left the White House.
Clinton Claim 3: Secretary Clinton claimed her e-mail server set up was in “accordance with the rules and the regulations in effect.”
The Facts: Federal Judge: Hillary Clinton “violated government policy” when she used a private server to store official State Department messages.
Clinton Claim 4: When talking about immigrant stories, Clinton asserted that “all my grandparents… came over here.”
The Facts: PolitiFact says it’s “very clear” that Clinton’s claim is “False.” In truth, only one of Clinton’s grandparents immigrated to America.
Clinton Claim 5: Secretary Clinton emphasized the famous Situation Room Bin Laden photo captured her reacting to the helicopter crash.
The Facts: In actuality, Secretary Clinton said “early spring allergic coughs”, not the helicopter crash, are responsible for her reaction in the photo.
Clinton Claim 6: Passing DOMA was a “defensive action” to prevent further action against same-sex marriage.
The Facts: Independent observers say that “any fair historical analysis” shows DOMA to be “a campaign tactic” by the Clintons.
Clinton Claim 7: Hillary Clinton claims concern over the cost of college is the impetus for her college affordability plan.
The Facts: While Secretary Clinton claims she has a plan to lower college costs, her family has “received millions” from universities across the country.
Clinton Claim 8: Hillary Clinton’s campaign has said they will go carbon neutral.
The Facts: Months after that pledge there have been no records that show Clinton moving to live up to this pledge, all the while she continues to fly around in private jets.
Clinton Claim 9: In an interview, Hillary Clinton declared that the Veterans Affairs scandals are not “as widespread as it’s been made out to be”.
The Facts: Clinton’s campaign was forced to immediately walk back the statement.
Clinton Claim 10: In response to questions about her tenure at State, Hillary Clinton claimed that there was “a long list” of her accomplishments.
The Facts: Given multiple chances, Secretary Clinton has been unable to name a “marquee” or “proudest” achievement from her four years as Secretary of State. Finally giving her something in common with Iowa voters.
More accurate would be “Hillary Clinton’s Top 10 Lies & Exaggerations As Told by rush limbaugh, bill o’reilly, & the rest of the fox news truthiness crew.” The dems don’t need to hairsplit, resurrect non-issues,or twist the facts of historical events to suit their narrative- the donald provides daily, current fare to demonstrate his ineptitude and prejudice. That he is a woeful excuse for a presidential candidate is now beyond question- those that still spring to his defense only expose their own lack of intellect and/or character.
HiLIARy is being exposed for what she really is. The tide is turning and we have to help in getting the story out. For the second weekend in a row, a movie Hillary Clinton probably does not want you to watch is being released. Based on the book of the same name by Peter Schweizer, who also narrates the film, the “Clinton Cash” documentary delves into the finances of the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Global Initiative, initially founded in 1997. What’s most disconcerting — and what should prove to be a huge eye-opener to the tunnel-vision Clinton faithful — is the nature and timing of these connected events. They include dictators of oppressed nations, countries pursuing nuclear weapons, graft-riddled nation states in search of U.S., taxpayer-funded aid and those doing extensive environmental harm — all flying directly in the face of entrenched, long-acknowledged, Democrat party and supposed Clinton (then and now) platform positions.Watch the movie free…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM
sarge22 – The “tide is turning?” What tide? Mr. Trump drops more in the polls every single day.
He’s losing now and that isn’t going to change by election day. Get used to it. He’s a terrible candidate – probably the worst ever – and he’s going to lose in a landslide. The more Republicans he can take down with him in the whirlpool he created, the better.
What’s to be gained from being oblivious? Oh, an Obliviosite. Never mind.
Meanwhile, why Did Khizr Khan Delete His Law Firm’s Website, a law firm engaged in an immigration program which Homeland security deems a risk for ” [being} used by Iranian operatives to infiltrate the United States. The memo identifies seven main areas of program vulnerability, including the export of sensitive technology, economic espionage, use by foreign government agents and terrorists, investment fraud, illicit finance and money laundering. ”
Not to imply Kahn’s guilty of anything, but if not, why disappear the website?
As to Sharia, here’s Mr. Kahn in 1983, old but germain:
“Khan wrote “Juristic Classification Of Islamic Law” in the Houston Journal of International Law in 1983. In it he breaks down different levels of Islamic law. Khan writes that the Quran and the Sunnah which were both directly created by the Muslim prophet Muhammad were the only sources in Muhammad’s lifetime that “were recognized as binding.”
“The Shari’ah-was completed during the lifetime of Prophet Muhammed, in the Quran and Sunnah. This brings up an important fact which is generally overlooked, that the invariable and basic rules of Islamic Law are only those prescribed in the Shari’ah (Quran and Sunnah), which are few and limited,” Khan continues to write. “ALL OTHER JURIDICAL WORKS WHICH HAVE BEEN WRITTEN DURING MORE THAN THIRTEEN CENTURIES ARE VERY RICH AND INDISPENSABLE, BUT THEY MUST ALWAYS BE SUBORDINATED TO THE SHARI’AH AND OPEN TO RECONSIDERATION BY ALL MUSLIMS. [emphasis added]”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/01/khizr-khan-has-previously-written-extensively-on-sharia-law/#ixzz4Ga3Q0Eov
Now, unless you’re a true Obliviosite, the question is does Mr. Kahn still believe this?
Glad to see that you’re following Mr. Trump in his successful campaign to smear a Gold Star family.
Good luck with that.
Uh, I see you miss the point. Your choice, I guess. Sort of like missing the point with Cindy Sheehan a few years back when she cozied up to Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez and spoke at anti-American rallies. When you separate the respect and shared grief for the family from their political activism, it’s fair to examine their motives as an instrument used by the democrats to attack Trump. The same could be said of Pat Smith, whose sone was killed in Benghazi. The difference is that her only motive is to reveal Clinton’s character and competency.
Winston – I didn’t miss the point. You’re smearing a Gold Star family. Keep it up, please. That strategy has been VERY successful for Mr. Trump.
Oh …. wait …
A family honored for their son’s sacrifice can also hold odious political beliefs and be wrong on the facts. This involves zero “smearing”, just facts and logic.
It’s not a complicated concept. Try think.
Mr. Kahn is honored for his son’s bravery. He is wrong on the facts regarding the constitutionality of a border wall and Trump’s immigration proposals, both of which are clearly constitutional.
Winston – You’ve proven over and over again that you know absolutely nothing about the Constitution or federal law. Nothing. Not once, ever.
So forgive me if I don’t accept your opinion of what is and what is not “clearly constitutional.”
klastri – I assume you have enough intelligence to figure things out for yourself but Since it appears you lack those basic analytical skills, allow me to spell it out for you. First of all, I did not claim that Khan is “beholden to sharia law.” That is a fabrication on your part. What I did ask is how can Khan who claims to have read the US Constitution be loyal to BOTH the constitution and sharia law. Any devout Muslim such as Khan will tell you that they abide by Shari’a which is the legal system which governs the Islamic faith. Islam as a religion cannot be separated from Shari’a as Shari’a governs how its adherents live. Thus a devout Muslim is bound to follow the dictates of Shari’a. Therefore, I’ll ask you klastri – how can a devout Muslim such as Khan pledge allegiance to both Shari’a and the US Constitution when these two legal systems are diametrically in opposition to each other? It is either one or the other…I’ll wait for your answer.
Don’t hold your breath, she is utterly vacuous.
Your entire argument is founded on the lie that Mr. Khan is loyal to sharia law. When did Mr. Khan say that? The correct answer is never. You made it up to lie about him for some bizarre reason. Like you make up just about everything you write here.
You are unable to be truthful. Ever.
oh klastri – your depth of not understanding knows no bounds does it? A devout Muslim such as Khan has no choice but to uphold Sharia law. That is what makes him a Muslim. A devout Muslim cannot ignore Sharia any more than a devout Christian can ignore the Bible. Are you still dull of understanding. I would not be surprised if you are.
Just like all American Catholics follow the tenets of their religion so strictly that we can’t trust them to be loyal to our government vs the Vatican. Nice Trump logic- go drink more kool-aid and go down with your ship.
Really kolohepalu? Are you really comparing Catholics with Muslims now and you claim to be logical? Unlike Catholicism, Islam involves civil law as it is a theocracy. A devout Catholic does not dictate the imposition of civil laws over everyone else according to his/her Catholic beliefs. A devout Muslim by contrast does believe in the superiority of Shari’a over any other civil laws regardless of the countries they reside in. Thus your feeble comparison is baseless.
d_bullfighter – Even by your low standard, this is sad.
You – someone who obviously knows absolutely nothing about Islam – are going to teach someone here about the difference between Canon Law and Sharia Law? That makes about as much sense as anything else you write!
Please, Professor …. continue!
Let’s just ask the Muslim Obama.
alas klastri, asleep in class again! Even someone like you should be able to understand the difference between Canon law and Shari’a law. Unlike Shari’a which dictates how countries should govern their people through civil law, Canon law does not impose such mandates. So for example, Ireland which is by all appearances and statistics a Catholic country – passed a law allowing abortions despite the Catholic church being in opposition to its passage.
And since you always evade my pointed questions to you, I’ll answer my question for you since you are either too lazy to do your own research or by your own choice choose to remain ignorant.
Mr. Khan has already written that he considers Shari’a law to be superior to all other legal frameworks. In 1983, he wrote a scholarly paper entitled “Juristic Classification of Islamic Law” in which he wrote: “The invariable and basic rules of Islamic law are only those prescribed in the Shari’ah….All other juridical works which have been written during more than thirteen centuries are very rich and indispensable, but they must always be subordinated to the Shari’ah and open to reconsideration by all Muslims.”
Class is over klastri; you can go back to sleep.
It is not a question of dogma- it is a question of degree of strict adherence to the literal interpretation of the printed word. I wonder if your long-winded tangent comes from your fountain of knowledge on religion or rather, your dexterity with google. Impressive. Go Trump U!
hi kolohepalu – you appear to be an intelligent person so let me appeal to your sense of intelligence. I would disagree with your assertion that it is not a matter of dogma. I quoted directly from Mr. Khan’s writing where he himself wrote that it is a matter of dogma. Mr. Khan wrote that Shari’a law – which is Islamic dogma – is superior every other form of civil law. I’ll requote what he himself wrote w/caps for emphasis:
“ALL other juridical works which have been written during more than thirteen centuries are very rich and indispensable, BUT they must ALWAYS be SUBORDINATED to the Shari’ah.”
All means All including the US Constitution which must be SUBORDINATED
You are correct, d_bullfighter. The Khan’s lost their immunity from attack as
Gold Star parents when they made their son’s death a political issue and attacked Trump who had absolutely nothing to do with it. And don’t let Klastri tell you otherwise.
If Mr. Trump had a whit of common sense, he would have heaped praise on the family while firmly restating his position. That’s what any person with any humanity (obviously not you either) would have done. But Mr. Trump has no self control at all. None – because he’s obviously mentally ill. So he lied about the mother (silent not out of grief but because she is a Muslim) and then went after the father.
Mr. Trump is mentally ill. He has the attention span of someone who has had a severe head injury. You think his strategy was correct, despite the fact that what he did turned the public even further against him.
You would make one great campaign manager!
How do you know? Only a Muslim would truly know. It amazes me that some people appoint themselves as judge and jury when they don’t agree with someone’s race, religion and sexual orientation.
You are cowards. Bottom line is that a Muslim devout or not gave his life defending his country. Those of you who continue to argue on behalf of the Chump suffer from the same condition that he has. Th the ability to shut up and move on when you are wrong. That is the reason that he is now reading from cue cards. A presidential candidate reading from cue cards and struggling to keep his temperament in check.
Inability
That is like when Obama reads from his teleprompter right?
… and here I am thinking that ANYONE that supports Trump is out of their mind.
Why don’t you have similar thoughts about Hillary?
Nobody knows what it feels like to sacrifice your life for your country than the men and women actually serving in the military. That’s why they usually are the ones who respect their fallen comrades the most, especially the ones who saved the lives of their fellow soldiers in the line of duty.
The simple truth.
Trump fans, your response?
Carolyn Hersh might change her mind if she looks into the Khantroversy a little deeper.
The Clintons have made millions selling immigrant visas with the Shariah lawyer Khan through the Dubai based GEMS schools. GEM qualifies Muslim immigrants as investors.
Bill was chairman of GEMS which teaches Shariah law, for three years. Very lucrative Trojan Horse, 5.6 million in speaking fees alone. The Saudi Wahabbists are in this as well. More Muslim “migrants” means more $$ for the Clintons.
Kahn’s son had to have been a secular Muslim, or he wouldn’t have been an American soldier. Islam is not compatible with anything American.
Bottom line is Trump was right again.
I’m sorry that you’re actually allowed to vote.
Nice of you to chime in with your usual condesending, attitudinal arrogance schmendrell.
Is it getting a little redundant in the HuffPo for you?
Thanks!
I’m just pointing out that smearing an entire religion is the mark of an imbecile.
Welcome to America in the age of Donald Trump.
and the next President of the USA.
You tag is so appropriate but again there are not enough of you elect the Chump. Game over.
The late Senator Inouye who won military honors and lost an arm in WWII must be shaking his head! I wonder what he’d say today, if he were alive?
He’d probably look at the polls showing Mr. Trump heading toward a historic landslide loss and feel relief.
Mr. Trump is dragging down Senator Ayotte, Senator Portman and Senator Johnson, too. Good riddance to them. Senator Kirk is hanging on to his seat by getting as far away from Trump as possible. He’s radioactive now. Having an R next to your name this year is a dangerous thing with a racist at the top of the ticket.
Senator Sanders wants to make Trump’s loss so humiliating, that his brand is destroyed and he is silenced forever in the political arena. Thanks, Bernie!
Bernie’s voters turning to Trump. Just too many HiLIARy lies and Bernie caved to the elites. They are so ashamed of the DNC that rigged the primaries. It’s time to even the score..
Indeed it’s sweet to see Drumpf throwing the Senate — and possibly the House — straight into the hands of worthy Dem candidates.
It’ll break the logjam of Supreme Court and Federal judgeship appointments that the GOTP has tried their best to bottle up.
They go to this one military-dependent corner of the country, interview 3 idjiots who can’t think, plus a couple of people who can think, and make an article to balance out all the negative (and true) recent Trump story lines. Trump himself is not capable of complex thought, cannot even comprehend that what he says now will have an effect on what happens later in the day.
His talent is as a promoter of casinos, pageants, and himself. He is a horrible hands-on manager, even his fans have to agree. After he loses (and forgets everything he promised to his fans), he’ll do fine following in the footsteps of wiser people like Paris Hilton and the Kardashians. Trump was made for reality tv. Or was reality tv made for Trump?
Who let the monkeys out?
So you agree that Trump has ZERO ongoing management skills? And that he gives no thought to a promise after he makes one? You agree.
What’s a good nickname for your dude? Dumb Donald? Temperamental Trump? Bombastic Billionaire (more likely, Melodramatic Millionaire)? Keeping Up with the Trumpdashians? Orange You Glad You Don’t Have Trump’s Hairstylist? WALL-e? Hero Basher? Draft Dodger Donald? Teleprompter Trump? Groveling Donald (crawling on his knees now, begging for Ryan’s graciousness)?
Stick a fork in your Trump steak, ’cause it’s way overdone!
Just answer the question.
The question is, what’s a good nickname for your bumbling leader?
Herman Cain hit on the bullseye when he said people in his Republican party dislike Donald Trump because they are failing to change the character of this fine American. Donald trump is Donald trump and he speaks the truth.
He is a staunch military backer. In fact he critized the liberal Obama administration for cutting the military at its dangerous level. If elected President, Donald trump will build the military up again with a lot of care for veterans who has been badly neglected by this Muslim President, Barack Hussien Obama.
Because of the liberal political correctness that has also spread to the military (unfortunately) you find a divided military in the support of Donald Trump.
But yet he accused former and active military people of stealing cash (with no proof of any kind, of course) and said a former decorated Marine was a “failed general” for disagreeing with Mr. Trump’s madness.
And then he smeared – over the course of six days – a Gold Star family.
That’s what you consider a staunch military backer. You have quite the mind!
It’s too easy to come up with a few clever ideas that sound neat. To convert those ideas into reality–and to follow up in the real world–is a completely other thing. I can see agreeing with a few of his concepts, but to think that this bumbling millionaire can actually run the country is a ridiculous, dangerous idea.
Making up childish lies about the $400 million to Iran–and coming back to it right after admitting he lied? Getting into a public, unwinnable spat against a Gold Star family? Balking on endorsing key fellow GOP candidates? Starting off with a fantastical promise to build a Big Wall–and make Mexico pay for it?
You may agree with a few of Trump’s random thoughts, but you also must be aware that he is incapable of running any organization. You, and the rest of the loyal Republicans, wish you had a different candidate.
The Iranian “media” just released a video showing the January arrival of the plane with pallets of stacked bills. I saw it in the UK Daily mail.
Mr. Trump says that if you repeat a lie often enough it will magically become true. Keep trying that strategy.
Klastri,
Does that go for Crooked Hillary too?
How can he build the military when as commander in chief he cannot tell the difference between a small private jet and a cargo plane. Even my four year old grandnephew knows the difference. Sheese!
This election is like having to choose between dog shit and cat vomit mixed with fur…
“Military community” isn’t “the military”. Active military are prohibited from making public statements pro- or con- political candidates, which is just as it should be. And none of the individuals quoted in this piece are active military, so this article really tells us nothing about what those folks think or whom they support.
Nevertheless, two of the three actual retired military are critical of Drumpf to the point where they don’t plan to vote for him. If that’s any indication of how active military feel, Drumpf’s going down deeper than that sub commander ever did.
All the other folks quoted are civilian hangers-on, so whatever their position, it tells us nothing about what our actual military thinks or how they plan to vote.
I guess the news media are supposed to present balanced views, and this is the best they can do for Trump. A retired geezer and a couple of civilians whose income is dependent on military spending.
Trump fans suddenly feeling they might be left out in the cold. And like their interesting leader, time to start considering the consequences of one’s behavior.
Vaccillating between Trump and Clinton is a waste of time and breath! None of these two are worth it! The other two alternatives aren’t known as nearly as the GOP and Democratic nominees, but they are the possible choices to ponder as worthy replacement .
“But Bowden, who supported Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in Virginia’s primary and is still undecided about whom to vote for in November, said his bigger concern is Trump’s lack of military service. Trump received five draft deferments during the Vietnam era, one of which stemmed from temporary bone spurs in his feet.”
And how much military service did Hillary, Bill and/or Obama have ?
“He was a draft dodger when he could have served and should have served,” said Bowden, who lives in Poquoson, Virginia.”
How soon we forget Bill hightailed it to Canada to avoid the draft.
You’re lying again, of course. As you always do. Always.
Mr Clinton did not go to Canada to avoid the draft. His birthdate was chosen as number 311 in the lottery, after he withdrew his Reserve Officer enrollment. Mr. Trump cannot now remember which foot his deferment was for. That’s because he made it up.
And you may have been in a coma or something, but Mr. Clinton is not running for President. Just saying …
As one of countless others that left college temporarily to serve, I’m offended when you try and call Bill Clinton anything other than a well connected draft dodger. Yes, we’re not electing him to office, but trying to minimize the facts by mentioning only one calculated move he made while avoiding the Vietnam war is simply wrong. “http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/felon.asp”
Marauders_1959 said that Mr. Clinton fled to Canada. That is a lie and I pointed it out.
I don’t really care about what you think of my comments. I’ve told you that before. I wasn’t joking. I don’t care.
If I happen to read a comment where you’ve manipulated the truth to paint yourself a favorable picture, I’ll be there. Whether you approve or not is meaningless to me…
hawaiikone – If that’s how you want to spend your time (as weird as that sounds – and that sounds really, really weird) then go for it.
Like I said, meaningless…
hawaiikone – You must not have understood what you wrote.
I wasn’t approving or not. I was pointing out a bizarre statement.
There certainly are some odd ducks on here.
If you can’t handle the heat..
You guys are kidding, right? “He means well, he just goes with his emotions?” That’s the guy you want as commander-in-chief with his emotional thumb on the nuclear button? You want the government to be run by a guy who created a fake “university” that scammed thousands of people trying to improve their lives?. It’s OK with you if a guy who refuses to release his personal tax returns sets the tax policy that affects you? Have you actually, seriously, calmly thought about any of this? Just don’t ever again try to tell me you love this country … not if you’re ready to turn it over to Donald Trump.
I took the course and it was great. I made a lot of money. I now live in the Penthouse at Trump International.
Come up and visit me. I’ll be glad to show you around. Granted, there are some people who didn’t get it but that s life, right?
Thumps up JimLoomis wholeheartedly agree. Problem is that with his supporters we might as well talk to the trees. As the saying goess”lights on but nobody home”.
So, the military gets 56% of our tax dollars and entitlement programs get what, 30%? And, you all are worried about military getting shafted?
Bill probably doesn’t care about Crooked Hillary’s dishonesty. I feel sorry for her daughter Chelsea.
What difference at this point does it matter.
What I’d like to know? Where was the Commander in Chief on 9/11/2012 when Benghazi was going down? Was he more interested in civil rights or world peace. What was and is his priority. Think about it.
Lie three: Obama calls himself a constitutional law prof to imply that he loves the Constitution. Obama gives the lie to this himself. He is on record – literally, a radio interview done when he was a lecturer – slamming the Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Constitution because they never tried to invent a right to “redistribute wealth” – a failing he describes as a “tragedy of the civil rights movement.” Obama laments the constraints on government power (what we would call liberty) imposed by our Constitution. Obama himself contrasts following the Constitution with being a community organizer, creating “coalitions of power,” which could “redistribute wealth” and create “economic justice.”
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/01/heres_what_constitutional_scholar_obama_really_taught_at_law_school.html#ixzz4GbjspPXu
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