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Kaine says Catholic Church might change on gay marriage

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    Democratic Vice Presidential candidate, Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. speaks during a rally at the J Douglas Galyon Depot in Greensboro, N.C.

WASHINGTON >> Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine is predicting that the Roman Catholic Church may eventually change its opposition to gay marriage.

Kaine is a devout Roman Catholic as well as a U.S. senator from Virginia and a former governor of that state. He told the Human Rights Campaign during its national dinner Saturday in Washington that he had changed his mind about gay marriage and that his church may follow suit one day.

“I think it’s going to change because my church also teaches me about a creator who, in the first chapter of Genesis, surveyed the entire world, including mankind, and said, ‘It is very good,’” Kaine said. He then recalled Pope Francis’ remark that “who am I to judge?” in reference to gay priests.

“I want to add: Who am I to challenge God for the beautiful diversity of the human family? I think we’re supposed to celebrate it, not challenge it,” Kaine said.

While he pledged to fight for increased rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer Americans, Kaine admitted that he had opposed gay marriage until 2005.

“For a long time while I was battling for LGBT equality, I believed that marriage was something different,” he said. Virginia’s lieutenant governor when state lawmakers pushed for a constitutional amendment to keep marriage between one man and one woman, he recalled speaking to amendment supporters who said they hoped LGBT people would feel so unwelcome that they would move out of Virginia.

“When I heard the proponents describe their motivations, it became clearer to me where I should stand on this,” he said.

Voters approved the amendment in 2006. The U.S. Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in all states in June 2015.

Before introducing Kaine, Human Rights Campaign President Chad Griffin called Republican nominee Donald Trump the “gravest threat” the LGBTQ community has faced in a presidential election.

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        • IRT CelloDad, Ms Hillary placed a few Democrats into the basket of “Deplorables” for what they believe, and it will impact supporters who may be voting for she and Mr. Kaine. Then comes Mr. Kaine’s statement on the Word of the Church that marriage is between a man and a woman could change. That statement also placed more Democrats in that basket of “Deplorables”. What’s going on with the Clinton/Kaine campaign?

  • Yes! and this will be a truly historic election should Hillary and Tim win. Historic not only as the first women to be president,but the first President and Vice President to be both Homosexual/Bisexual. Truly Historic!

  • I doubt it! And No I am Not Catholic. & I don’t think the Catholic Church will change it’s stance on LGBT.Maybe change the Popes mind,but not the Catholic Church!…..
    And why do you think, according to the Bible, why Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out? For all it’s wickedness? Yeah! And what were the kinds of “Wickedness”?
    I think what Tim Kaine is saying in regards to the Popes statement” Who am I to Judge”. This was an exact quote taken of what Jessus said about Cesar’s Money…remember? “Who am I to Judge” what is Cesar’s and what is Not. hmmmmm….two different subjects.
    Reports have been surfacing, that the Vatican are keeping close tabs on the Pope,in regards to what he is saying in public,in relation to what the Catholic Church’s beliefs are and the Values of Christianity.

    • Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out because they did not show hospitality to God’s Angels. What would you say if the president sent an ambassador someplace and that person was publicly raped?

      • Boots, Correction: Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out because the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous”.

        • Here are 4 reasons besides homosexuality that played into its destruction:

          Were uncharitable and abusive to strangers, the poor, sick, and disadvantaged. In that society, a person had a very strong obligation to protect any guests in their home. Many liberal Christians believe that this is the meaning behind the story of the destruction of Sodom. This belief has considerable support in the many other references to Sodom in the Bible and Jewish literature.

          Wanted to humiliate their visitors by engaging in “an act of sexual degradation and male rape…These are acts of violence that are committed by parties seeking to show their hatred for those they are degrading. It is not an act of love or of caring” 1 Some theologians suggest that the sin of Sodom was the threat of mass rape.

          Wanted to engage in bestiality — having sex with members of another species. The mob may have wanted to rape the angels; angels are not human beings; they are of a different species. This would be consistent with the frequently mistranslated verse in Jude about the men of Sodom going after “other flesh” or “strange flesh.”

          Wanted to adsorb the power of the angels: In ancient times, sacred sex was very common. People would engage in sexual intercourse with temple prostitutes who represented a god or goddess. By doing so, the people believed that they would receive a blessing from the deity. If the people of Sodom realized that angels sent by God were present in their city, the men of Sodom may have concluded that raping the angels might give them supernatural powers.

        • Boots, read the scriptures before you quote them: The Angels were on their way to and set on destroying Sodom and Gomorrah well before the men attempted to rape them. Genesis 18. “When the men (Angels) got up to leave, they looked down toward Sodom, and Abraham walked along with them to see them on their way. Then the Lord said, “Shall I hide from Abraham what I am about to do?”

      • ….and NO I am not Jewish. Boots.Where did you come up with idea,US sending an ambassador someplace and that person got raped! Brah! I had to step back from the game! We’re not talking about angels are you? Good because the angels possessed so some much power that no body or crowd would be able to “Rape them! No Body!

        In reference to the Bible. God promised to spare Soddom and Gomorrah IF,at the first,they could find fifty righteous people.Right? Wrong. Nope ,Nada. And thus went all the way down to TEN, and again Nope, Nada.
        Now i don’t read Jewish Literature, or believe in mere suggestions of a few Theologians interpretations. I just read the Bible ,that all,though your “interpretation” may be different from mine? ie: “The Angels are not Human,they are of a different Species”hummmmm…
        This part loses me greatly,simply for the Fact that the Angels were actually Sons Of God,not a different species as you say ,maybe not mere Humans correct.But The Angels were indeed Sons of god!
        So in conclusion to the 4 reasons are you suggesting or saying (lol) that indeed Soddom and Gomorrah were wiped in part of their Homosexuality misdeeds?

  • “in the first chapter of Genesis, surveyed the entire world, including mankind, and said, ‘It is very good,’” Kaine said”

    After this quote in Genesis, came the fall, and according to Genesis mankind has been living in a state of sin since then.

    The story of the fall was one of mankind going its own way, in rebellion against the natural order that was created in that “very good” world.

    Regardless of your position on these matters, Caine appears to be remarkably ignorant, having never got past the first few pages of the book.

  • Many churches have been sold and those remaining are, for the most part, empty. The Catholic church has alienated many of the faithful. My family hasn’t been to Mass in years. Their position on divorce, etc., the molestation of innocent little boys by Catholic priests and bishops with the following cover up, has cost the church dearly. The majority of newly-arrived immigrants seem to remain faithful but it’s probably just a matter of time. The once powerful church appears to be in decline.

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