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Deedy's friend says he was 'severely beaten' before shooting

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 03:22 p.m. HST, Jul 24, 2013


State Department special agent Christopher Deedy’s former college roommate testified this morning that he was slugged by Kollin Elderts and beaten by him and another man moments before Elderts was fatally shot at a McDonald’s Waikiki restaurant.

Adam Gutowski, 29, a Waikiki resident, testified he tried to stop Elderts from approaching Deedy when Elderts punched him in the head in the left temple area. Gutowski said he then fell backwards toward an exit door as Elderts’ friend Shane Medeiros got on top of him.

Watching the video images from the McDonald’s surveillance video, Gutowski said he was being “severely beaten” by the two men. Moments later, Deedy fatally shot Elderts. Deedy, 29, is charged with murdering Elderts in the shooting at about 2:45 a.m. Nov. 5, 2011 at the McDonald’s Kuhio Avenue restaurant.

Deedy, an Arlington, Va., resident, was here to provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

The prosecution is alleging Deedy was driven by alcohol and inexperience in shooting the unarmed Elderts. Deedy’s defense is that he acted as a law enforcement officer in trying to try to defuse the situation and fired in self defense.

Gutowski, who attended Tulane University with Deedy, was taking the agent around town prior to going to McDonald’s. He testified that Deedy had ordered five beers at five Chinatown and Waikiki bars, but said the alcohol didn’t seem to influence Deedy’s behavior. “He was very much in control of himself,” Gutowski said.






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Tahitigirl55 wrote:
The testimony from this Gutosdki is maybe fabricated. He mentioned early that he didn't remember much of what happened. Now he remember be nearly beaten by two guys. Was he taken to the hospital. And now Deely was in control of himself. We need to stop wasting tax dollars and use a lie detector.
on July 23,2013 | 01:18PM
GorillaSmith wrote:
What do you want to use the lie detector for - a paperweight? Lie detector results are inadmissible as evidence.
on July 23,2013 | 01:23PM
kainalu wrote:
Otherwise, I think some of us have a different definition of what "severely beaten" means. "Severely" would indicate a trip to a hospital at the least. His memory does seem to be selective.
on July 23,2013 | 05:59PM
aomohoa wrote:
I want to know if his nose is growing.
on July 23,2013 | 08:52PM
Peacenik wrote:
yeah, we should listen to a genius like you.
on July 23,2013 | 02:07PM
false wrote:
No, but you have to wonder about, "Let's go out to dinner and tour the town," then go to at least 5 bars and continue on to Nashville. What was their intent. Boozing. How intelligent is that? And with a gun. How could Deedy be job ready for duty after touring all the bars on the strip and Chinatown. Exaggeration sure but Gutowski surely paints a picture of college frat house routine in the real world.
on July 23,2013 | 07:54PM
kailua000 wrote:
you think those who will testify for Kollin wont be fabricated? each will do their best to selectively remember or alter the testimony to help their friend. I guarantee you no one is going to say Kollin was tweeking earlier on, drinking and doing drugs. No they'll say he was a good boy and innocent and never been in any trouble.
on July 23,2013 | 02:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
Really Kailua00 because Kollin's friend testified that Kollin was drinking and smoking weed. So please don't even try. Kollin is dead and not the one on trial. No one said he was an angel and never did anything wrong in his life. People make mistakes Deedy's wrong is lasting and even worse than anything that Elderts did in his life.
on July 23,2013 | 04:46PM
RandyC73 wrote:
YOU'RE SO RIGHT!
on July 23,2013 | 11:06PM
aomohoa wrote:
A little sodium pentathal would clear this whole thing up.
on July 23,2013 | 08:54PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
He was taken to the hospital. A quote from the other article. "Perry said Gutowski told a triage nurse that he might have been hit by a gun while trying to break up a fight. He found a bruise on Gutow­­ski's right cheek, a laceration and swelling commonly refered to as a "goose egg" above his left temple, and a cut on the left side of his head that was less than 1 centimeter long, he said."
on July 23,2013 | 03:36PM
gobows wrote:
so did Elderts have a gun?
on July 23,2013 | 03:44PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So Gutlesscowski was hit over the head by Deedys Glock? Only one coward had a gun that night..
on July 23,2013 | 04:44PM
RandyC73 wrote:
You got that right!
on July 23,2013 | 11:08PM
Mypualani wrote:
How big is a centimeter? How would he get hit by a gun? Did Deedy hit him? Or maybe he was setting up his story that someone else was armed that' s what his story that he can remember alludes too.
on July 23,2013 | 04:54PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Exactly. Gutless figures if he can instill "another gun" theory, then he friend Deedy might be justified. Hard to prove when all combatants had open hands except for Deedy.
on July 23,2013 | 05:12PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Who knows. I was just pointing out that his injuries and story about being in a fight checked out. Maybe he felt like a gun hit him but it was a fist.
on July 23,2013 | 05:23PM
false wrote:
Centimeter is about width of baby fingernail. How did Gutowski get into a fight? Seems they got in their faces, meaning Gutowski joined Deedy in walking up to Elderts and Medeiros, asking for trouble. They intruded on the bruddahs who were drunk and wired. Gutowski admits they were bar hopping and drinking, who knows how many 5s there were. One 5 for every bar? What happened to just visiting and not looking for trouble? What is it about going from bar to bar? What were they looking for? Well, they found it, started it and ended it.
on July 23,2013 | 08:01PM
RandyC73 wrote:
I guess his own friend must have hit him!
on July 23,2013 | 11:07PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Exactly what I was thinking! Although polygraphs are for kicks and giggles. I would like to see one done on Deedy. And, I didn't know you could determine others state of mind. Does Gutowski have a PHD? “He was very much in control of himself,” Gutowski said. He could APPEAR "he was very much in control of himself". Gutowski, Was that before or after he attempted to kick Elderts and his slipper went flying?
on July 24,2013 | 08:55PM
Truth wrote:
So, what he is saying is a federally trained agent got beat down by a local boy?
on July 23,2013 | 01:19PM
localguy wrote:
Yep, fed was under the influence of alcohol. Basically a "Rent a Cop" for the Feds.
on July 23,2013 | 01:42PM
Fred01 wrote:
Local boys are such cowards.
on July 23,2013 | 01:56PM
lookup wrote:
i think the one who was the coward is the one who started the trouble and couldn't handle himself so he needed a gun to do his fighting. the local boy never backed down!
on July 23,2013 | 02:19PM
hapaguy wrote:
Agreed!
on July 23,2013 | 02:28PM
Fred01 wrote:
Local trash cowards.
on July 23,2013 | 02:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
Now, now Fred01. Don't be upset by the truth....
on July 23,2013 | 02:37PM
Slow wrote:
On the internet we can all go back to 4th grade, eh Fred01? Call names and hide. Ironically this is called cowardly behavior. But maybe you are one the "local trash cowards."
on July 23,2013 | 03:18PM
Nalukai wrote:
Yea, what good is a dead coward ??
on July 23,2013 | 06:34PM
mosquito96826 wrote:
Is that your IQ after your name. in my book cowards use guns in fist fights. Local boy didn't back down even if the coward had a gun. Who is the coward FredIQ?
on July 23,2013 | 04:29PM
Toneyuki wrote:
No such thing as a fair fight. The object of a fight is to win.
on July 23,2013 | 06:30PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Toneyuki wrote: "No such thing as a fair fight. The object of a fight is to win."

Win what?


on July 23,2013 | 08:11PM
stingray65 wrote:
Who is now six feet below the ground? Deedy, should not let the local boy get close two arm lenght!! That is his big mistake..He is a rookie!! Does not know enough around the street boys..
on July 23,2013 | 08:36PM
Mypualani wrote:
Fred you poor thing. I feel sorry for you.
on July 23,2013 | 04:57PM
hapaguy wrote:
lol....yeah Fred01 did a big bad local boy steal your lunch money when you was little....lol
on July 23,2013 | 05:52PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Haha, yeah, a brown boy drank his milk and he's never gotten over it (or moved away)
on July 23,2013 | 06:14PM
aomohoa wrote:
All you guys have to much testosterone. Add alcohol and you act like touch little boys.
on July 23,2013 | 09:05PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Locals aren't leaving. Maybe you should.
on July 23,2013 | 06:12PM
kelbells34 wrote:
All you do is cut people down. Making personal attacks on people stating their opinions??? You know why? YOU can't handle the TRUTH! Shut it, Freddy BOY!
on July 24,2013 | 09:05PM
MKN wrote:
@lookup: True, but the local boy is now dead because he didn't back down.
on July 23,2013 | 03:30PM
Fred01 wrote:
The local boy is dead because he didn't know how to act.
on July 23,2013 | 04:31PM
312guy wrote:
the sad thing is one human is dead and the other his life is completely changed. both made their own judgement decisions liquor drugs what ever else they ingested. and now we see what the out come will be.
on July 23,2013 | 04:45PM
false wrote:
Two mothers are heart broken. Do men every get it? Act stupid and the rest pay for it. How much is this trial costing us?
on July 23,2013 | 08:04PM
stingray65 wrote:
That Local boy wanted to be the Boss, so? he pay the cost?? If someone tells you to shut up? that means, do not try to stand up. Or else?
on July 23,2013 | 08:39PM
aomohoa wrote:
Macho bull!
on July 23,2013 | 09:06PM
kolohepalu wrote:
No, he was attacked by a coward with a gun. Ha- who is a drunk fed to tell anybody anything?
on July 23,2013 | 09:27PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Haha- sounds like someone's been bullied- poa' ting
on July 23,2013 | 06:08PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Federal Agents aren't trained extensively in hand to hand combat. They carry weapons for a reason. It's not like NCIS.
on July 23,2013 | 03:14PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
That's bs kailuaraised. So your saying federal agents escalate directly to a firearm when slapped.
on July 23,2013 | 05:14PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Actually it's not. Please allude to me how much force protection training you have? They don't train you to be a UFC fighter at FLETC. For some reason people think agents are like they see on TV.
on July 23,2013 | 05:25PM
false wrote:
The ones in the UK looked really beefy. Deedy looks so whimpy. Can he do anymore than gun carry?
on July 23,2013 | 08:05PM
paradiddle wrote:
Gutowski was the one getting the beat down. Is he a federally trained agent as well?
on July 23,2013 | 03:32PM
kelbells34 wrote:
No, Gutowski just made poor choices in taking DEEDY to 5 bars and then a rowdy McDonalds. And Gutowski lives near there...HE should know. It's WAIKIKI!!! Come on! Who needs enemies when you got friends like Gutowski and Finkelstein?
on July 24,2013 | 09:16PM
Truth wrote:
(Gutowski, who attended Tulane University with Elderts, was taking the agent around town prior to going to McDonald’s. He testified that Deedy had ordered five beers at five Chinatown and Waikiki bars, but said the alcohol didn’t seem to influence Deedy’s behavior. “He was very much in control of himself,” Gutowski said.) Elderts went to Tulane? I didn't think Gutowski knew Elderts prior to the night of the incident.
on July 23,2013 | 01:22PM
pakeheat wrote:
Yes, where did they come up with this? They went to college together and he beats the guy up? LOL
on July 23,2013 | 01:26PM
islandboy1562 wrote:
Yeah according to Star Advertiser story Elderts and Gutowski were classmates at Tulane - LOL and somehow Deedy got in the mix in an unfortunate chance encounter at Waikiki Micky D's at such an ungodly hour. Too bad both parties couldn't just walk away and this wouldn't have happened.
on July 23,2013 | 01:36PM
allie wrote:
agree..If the story is true, Elderts and his moco friend were both guilty of assault and battery. I still think the gun should not have come out.
on July 23,2013 | 02:04PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
The story appears to be true (from what I can see in the video).
on July 23,2013 | 03:37PM
Mypualani wrote:
Deedy and Gutowski are collage school mates. Not Elderts.
on July 23,2013 | 05:01PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
I think that was a typo, Deedy and Gutowski went to Tulane.
on July 23,2013 | 02:17PM
WF808 wrote:
Obviously, a typo, as it was earlier reported that Deedy and Gutkowski were roommates and frat brothers at Tulane. Somebody take Deedy off the hibachi already -- he is done.
on July 23,2013 | 01:41PM
gobows wrote:
typo
on July 23,2013 | 01:42PM
sailfish1 wrote:
"Gutowski, who attended Tulane University with Deedy, was taking the agent around town prior to going to McDonald’s" Some people need to learn how to read.
on July 23,2013 | 07:07PM
jess wrote:
Funny, I don't remember seeing any kind of "severe beating" on the video. He does know that a video of the fight was shown to the jury right? This guy is making stuff up.
on July 23,2013 | 01:40PM
hapaguy wrote:
Agreed!. His testimony totally does not jibe with the video evidence....
on July 23,2013 | 02:29PM
MKN wrote:
@hapaguy: There was a frame where Deedy was on the ground and the other three guys were by the glass door for about 2-3 frames before Elderts went back to Deedy. It's possible that this is the point that Gutowski was getting beaten. Right now it's that guy's word vs the prosecutor's other witnesses. If there are others that actually saw Elderts beating up Gutowski, then that might explain why Deedy confronted Elderts again. I thought it looked funny that Elderts tackled Deedy and then didn't follow through by beating him on the ground. Going to help his friend against the other guy makes sense. Case is getting interesting. I will reserve judgement until all the facts come out.
on July 23,2013 | 03:37PM
hapaguy wrote:
MKN your comments makes sense. I still say that it appears Gutowski attacked Elderts because at frame 27m31s you can see Gutowski and Deedy confronting Elderts by the table where Perrine is sitting. At 27m34s you can see West pushing Deedy back towards the counter and in the background you can see Gutowski and Elderts scuffling by the ATM. Elderts back is to the ATM so he must have been backing up to go from Perrines table to the ATM. At 27m36s they are scuffling right in front of the ATM so Elderts backed up some more. Medeiros can be seen standing by Elderts original table watching. At 27m37s you can see Elderts still by the ATM and Gutowski by the side door. At 27m38s you can see Elderts and Gutowski scuffling in front of the ATM again so Gutowski must have charged Elderts again because Gutowski was by the side door a second earlier. Elderts never moved from in front of the ATM. Deedy can be see getting around West while Medeiros is still standing to the left watching. At 27m40s you can see Elderts fighting both Gutowski and Deedy by Perrines table! 2 against 1! Medeiros can be seen still standing on the left by Elderts original table. At 27m41s Medeiros must have charged in to help Elderts because you can see Medeiros and Gutowski going out the side door and Elderts knocking down Deedy in front of Perrine. At 27m45s You can see Elderts by the side door helping Medeiros and Deedy is getting his sorry self off the ground. So yeah this is the point in the video where they are putting the smack down on Gutowski.
on July 23,2013 | 05:37PM
Mypualani wrote:
It was ms. West and Gutowski was on Mr Medeiros after Deedy went down he turned to help his friend, then went back to Deedy by then Deedy has his gun and shooting at the counter. For those saying that Deedy is innocent or justified in the eyes of the law, Yeah sure. If that was the case we wouldn't even be here discussing this case as it unfolds in the court of law.
on July 23,2013 | 05:41PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Did you even look at the pictures accompanying the article? He's reviewing the video in front of the court. The DR who examined him also testified he had facial wounds so his story appears to check out.
on July 23,2013 | 03:38PM
Mypualani wrote:
What 1 centimeter laceration? A goose egg and a bruise ? Severely beaten is the guy who died after being arrested by a policeman in Waimanalo.
on July 23,2013 | 05:43PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Yeah, sounds like he took a punch... in the fight his friend started, but "severely beaten" sounds a little drama queen.
on July 23,2013 | 08:21PM
kelbells34 wrote:
Sounds like he got pushed and then fell into the corner of the rubbish. Why did he get "severely beaten"? Something must have started that.
on July 24,2013 | 09:18PM
Usagi336 wrote:
Sorry but looks like a 10 year old could put a beat down on this guy.
on July 23,2013 | 01:41PM
biggerdog wrote:
Yeah. A sucker punch helps wit dat.
on July 23,2013 | 02:43PM
gobows wrote:
all them names look alike....lol
on July 23,2013 | 01:43PM
TheMajority wrote:
Ken Kobayashi, FINALLY, you write one balanced sounding story about this incident. Have you read the ignorant comments that you fuel with your biased articles? I wonder how disappointed you'll feel when Deedy is found not guilty. I'm sure you'll express your feelings when that time comes though.
on July 23,2013 | 02:07PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm sure he'll post a sob story similar to the Zim verdict reporters on the mainland to stir the pot some more.
on July 23,2013 | 03:39PM
Denominator wrote:
If Gutowski was getting beat on it could provide Deedy with the vital justification to use his weapon. All this chatter about whether Deedy should or should not have been carrying is perhaps irrelevant as it appears he was legally carrying. If he was legally carrying a weapon and legally used his weapon in the face of bodily injury to himself and others, well, you might not like it but where's the crime?
on July 23,2013 | 02:16PM
hapaguy wrote:
You can't start a fight like Deedy (become the assailant) did then when the assaulted person (Elderts) defends himself and starts to get the better of the assailant, the assailant can't then pull out a gun and shoot and kill the guy defending himself then turn around and say it was self defense.....
on July 23,2013 | 02:33PM
TheMajority wrote:
and den...
on July 23,2013 | 02:49PM
Mypualani wrote:
Yeah especially when Gutowski threw the first punch, he and miss west his used to be girlfriend, were both on Medeiros, that is when Elderts turned to help his friend after knocking Deedy down. All you gloating people claiming that Deedy will get off like Zimmerman, all I can say is we will see not all the testimony is out yet especially from the defense. This is what I am most interested in seeing. Because I want to see how Deedy justifies his way out of stealing a mans life.
on July 23,2013 | 05:08PM
false wrote:
Where is the national media on this story?
on July 23,2013 | 08:13PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Gutkowski never went to the ground. Looks like he was holding his own. All frames show him in a upright position all the way till after the shooting.
on July 23,2013 | 05:17PM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
Let me get this correct, Is this a Prosecution witness?
on July 23,2013 | 02:18PM
biggerdog wrote:
Neg. A defense witness. Prosecution rested.
on July 23,2013 | 02:48PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I didn't see that they rested. Where did you see that?
on July 23,2013 | 03:41PM
Mypualani wrote:
Prosecution did not rest.
on July 23,2013 | 05:13PM
squidman22 wrote:
Gutowski is obviously being coached and directed in his statements.
on July 23,2013 | 02:21PM
primo1 wrote:
All attorneys coach their witnesses.
on July 23,2013 | 03:08PM
gobows wrote:
Arent ALL witnesses coached and directed? A lawyer should be disbarred if they allow a loose cannon on the stand, without knowing what and how testimony will be given.
on July 23,2013 | 03:12PM
false wrote:
This guy must have his own lawyer so that he isn't included in the liabilities.
on July 23,2013 | 08:14PM
312guy wrote:
everyone is coached, they are told to answer yes or no and not to add anymore than what is required
on July 23,2013 | 04:51PM
hapaguy wrote:
His testimony does not jibe with the video at all. It appears in the video that Gutowski attacked Elderts and Deedy was going to jump in. When Gutowski was scuffling with Elderts you can see Medeiros way over to the left and not involved. Medeiros only became involved when Deedy AND Gutowski were 2 on 1 against Elderts.....
on July 23,2013 | 02:27PM
gobows wrote:
Here we GO!.....Defense time!!
on July 23,2013 | 03:13PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I see something completely different. It looked like Eldert's friend started punching on Gutowski and Deedy kicked Elderts to get to his friend. I didn't see 2 on 1 at any point. How would it be 2 on 1 if immediately after kicking Elderts, Deedy gets tackled by him?
on July 23,2013 | 03:46PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Kailuaraised, check the video again. You must be blind. Deedy kicks Elderts while Gutkowski is getting free catsup at the service counter. On the video, it looks like Gutlesskowski is milking the catsup cow.
on July 23,2013 | 04:47PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I looked. Deedy's friend and Elderts friend appear to be fighting. If he was getting free catsup like you claim, why is he not in this frame? http://imgur.com/K7bqvCr He's being pushed out the door and has Medeiros on top of him.
on July 23,2013 | 05:32PM
hapaguy wrote:
NanakuliBoss is correct. He is talking about when the fight started, when Deedy kicked Elderts and started the fight, Gutowski was at the counter getting catsup or napkins or something. It appears that Gutowski never saw Deedy throw the first blow....
on July 23,2013 | 08:33PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Where do you see Gutowski in this picture? It looks like he is already fighting? http://imgur.com/Xc1PkIE
on July 24,2013 | 01:47AM
MKN wrote:
@hapaguy: So wait, you're saying that Gutowski started this? I thought you said in previous statements that Deedy started this whole fiasco by attempting to attack Elderts first? What happened to your original story?
on July 23,2013 | 03:51PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Mkn, Deedy instigated a physical attack by kicking Elderts with a sucker kick.
on July 23,2013 | 04:48PM
hapaguy wrote:
NO I never said that. Deedy started it by throwing the first blow a front kick to Elderts. If you look at the video when Deedy is kicking Elderts Gutowski is doing something at the counter and does not see Deedy throw the kick. Then Gutowski comes over and confronts Elderts, etc...
on July 23,2013 | 05:40PM
312guy wrote:
where is this video that you all are talking about
on July 23,2013 | 04:52PM
hapaguy wrote:
Here it is 312guy: http://www.staradvertiser.com/newspremium/20130711__Video_shows_fight_shooting.html Click on the top video as that one is the complete 1hour49minute video....
on July 23,2013 | 08:27PM
hapaguy wrote:
I think that Gutowski's problem is that he didn't see his friend start the fight by throwing the first blow, a front kick to Elderts. He testified he didn't see it and If you watch the video Gutowski was way over by the counter and he had his back to Deedy and Elderts when Deedy assaulted Elderts. He had no idea his friend was the one that started it. So in his mind he was defending his friend when in reality he was trying to defend the assailant....
on July 23,2013 | 02:36PM
false wrote:
Gutowski was to drunk to recall any of the events with integrity. How does he count?
on July 23,2013 | 08:16PM
Mei mei wrote:
is there a "Stand your ground law" in Hawaii?
on July 23,2013 | 03:13PM
Slow wrote:
No we do not. You have to have a better reason to murder here than Florida.
on July 23,2013 | 03:23PM
eoe wrote:
Exactly. Were this a stand your ground state Deedy wouldn't even be on trial, as we saw from the Trayvon case where you can instigate an encounter that leads to a physical encounter, "get scared and stand your ground" and then gun someone down in cold blood. Pretty much exactly what happened here.
on July 23,2013 | 04:05PM
false wrote:
Thank you, eoe, for Trayvon.
on July 23,2013 | 08:17PM
Recce wrote:
Sorry, eoe, but you're wrong. First, you say that were this a stand your ground state Deedy wouldn't be on trial and you point to the Trayvon case as your proof. Excuse me, but didn't Zimmerman stand trial in Florida even though Florida is a stand your ground law state? So much for your logic. Second, had you paid attention to the Trayvon case, you would know that the stand your ground law was not invoked at all in the Zimmerman trial. Only the ignorant or the disingenuous continue to claim that the stand your ground law was material in the Zimmerman trial. Which are you?
on July 24,2013 | 01:49AM
stingray65 wrote:
Hawaii, is not even close to Florida Guns laws..First they have Conceal to Carry permit. If we have that in State of Hawaii, we have much less crimes here. If you are at home, yes, you have the right to stand on your ground with no retreat! But, again, because of Hawaii stupid laws, Criminals here have more rights than local Citizen. Therefore, if you are not armed, you are nothing but just a Target!! In Arkansas, gun laws changed now. With in the property of homeowner that you tresspassed, that is now considered justifiable homicide..means, you are finished? Dead on the spot..specially if you got shot 32 times to make sure you are completely dead by natural cause.
on July 23,2013 | 08:56PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Stinkray,move to Florida,mahalo.
on July 23,2013 | 09:22PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Yeah- more guns, that model has worked out great thus far. I second the motion: stinkray begone.
on July 23,2013 | 09:29PM
TheMajority wrote:
Whether or not the state has a "stand your ground law" is irrelevant. Law enforcement officers, federal, state and county, do not run away from anyone. Deedy is a law enforcement officer and had a duty to intervene between the bully and the other kid. Elderts sealed his own fate when he snubbed off Deedy's badge, assaulted Deedy's friend, and then assaulted Agent Deedy who was lawfully armed. It's also apparent that Elderts was grabbing for Deedy's gun. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND ACTS THE WAY ELDERTS DID THAT NIGHT? Its a tragedy for those who knew Elderts but he could have avoided his own death if he had just put the brakes on his behavior when Deedy intervened and identified himself.
on July 23,2013 | 05:15PM
Mrs_G wrote:
@TheMajority. When were we told that Deedy flashed his badge? I missed it.
on July 23,2013 | 06:11PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm sure the prosecution won't call a witness that will say that. We'll see what the defense says.
on July 24,2013 | 01:39AM
Mrs_G wrote:
Mahalo, Kailua. . .Just wondered because Majority is adamant in his statements, i.e. ". . .snubbed off Deedy's badge" and ". . .Deedy intervened and identified himself"; as if we've heard it from a witness. Hmmm. . .a forked tongue?
on July 24,2013 | 07:46AM
stingray65 wrote:
Majority, BINGO!!!!
on July 23,2013 | 08:59PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Wrong. Deedy forfeited any authority he had when he started drinking. Furthermore, he is a law enforcement officer in only a technical sense- meter maids enforce the law too. Deedy is a wussy who unfortunately didn't get issued good judgement or cojones with his badge.
on July 23,2013 | 09:33PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Deedy is a sworn Federal Agent. It's not in a technical sense at all.
on July 24,2013 | 01:39AM
51butterflies wrote:
Deedy was drinking alcohol , carrying a firearm, and acting under the influence of alcohol. He too was a bully. Deedy was not thinking rationally or he should not have escalated this situation to a death by gun shot. I do not consider Deedy to have been enforcing any laws. After Deedy's huge mistake of killing another man, his career of being a law enforcement officer are over. A death by gun shot could have been avoided by Deedy, if he had not carried a firearm while he went out partying the "crazies".
on July 23,2013 | 11:19PM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Frat rats always claim to be severely beaten.
on July 23,2013 | 03:45PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Looks like a valid self defense case. From what I could see in the video and took from this guys testimony is that Eldert's friend got physical with Gutowski when he was trying to break up Deedy/Elderts. Deedy kicks Elderts to get to his friend who's getting pummeled. They start fighting and Elderts goes for the gun. The medical report backs up Gutowski getting beat up.
on July 23,2013 | 03:49PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Here's what I could find in the video. http://imgur.com/sVdB8bW In this clip it looks like a fight is starting with Gutowski/Medeiros and Elderts is right next to him. Deedy and the girl are away from the fight. Seconds later in this frame you can see Medeiros mounted on top and pushing Gutowski out the door. You can also see Elderts and Deedy fighting. http://imgur.com/K7bqvCr It could go either way but I think Deedy has a strong case for self defense.
on July 23,2013 | 04:00PM
Mypualani wrote:
Well those three as swipes should have ate their mcnuggets and called the police. No they go and instigate a fight and kill a man.
on July 23,2013 | 05:24PM
hapaguy wrote:
You got the players in your picture ( http://imgur.com/sVdB8bW ) all wrong. The people in the background that are scuffling are Elderts and Gutowski. Gutowski has a cap on and shorts. Medeiros is wearing all black with pants on. Medeiros can be seen on the left in front of the security guard. Prior to this picture Elderts and Gutowski were standing in front of Perrine. So that's why I am saying that Gutowski is attacking Elderts because Elderts is backing up all the way to the ATM. And your next picture conveniently skips over about 3-4 seconds where Deedy gets around West and is 2 against 1 on Elderts. Medeiros can still be seen on the left standing by the security guard. Then Medeiros jumps in to help Elderts and you get your second picture http://imgur.com/K7bqvCr Good try Kraised but no dice!
on July 23,2013 | 05:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I don't see it. Where do you see Medeiros in this picture? http://imgur.com/Xc1PkIE It looks like Gutowski/Medeiros were already fighting when Deedy kicks Elderts.
on July 24,2013 | 01:46AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
The medical reports shows Gutlesskowski "Refused Treatment". Walked out on his own.
on July 23,2013 | 04:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
So? What does that have to do with anything? Does that change the DR's report that he had injuries to his face?
on July 23,2013 | 05:29PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Well, "severely beaten" men aren't usually able to walk out on their own. A drunk who took a shot to the face and wants to go home and sleep it off do it all time.
on July 23,2013 | 08:32PM
niimi wrote:
I believe Elderts was being a punk, beat on Deedy's friend, then turned to confront Deedy so I believe Deedy should have been tried for manslaughter. Now I believe Deed will be acquitted.
on July 23,2013 | 04:02PM
Mypualani wrote:
What evah's
on July 23,2013 | 05:25PM
redassbaboon wrote:
I want a McRib !!!!
on July 23,2013 | 04:22PM
gobows wrote:
chicken nuggets...it was all for chicken nuggets
on July 23,2013 | 04:29PM
gobows wrote:
doesnt look like Deedy was the aggressor now. he was defending his friend. The mad pit bull came charging him.
on July 23,2013 | 04:31PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Oh so the original witness who said that Elderts did not threaten him, and who did not feel threatened was not the guy Super agent was rescuing? But in fact super agent was rescuing a drunkard Gutlesskowski, who in fact came with him?
on July 23,2013 | 04:53PM
gobows wrote:
all gutless wanted was some chicken nuggets
on July 23,2013 | 05:09PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Well, to be fair, we haven't heard the prosecution's side yet. Just because the guy did not feel scared does not mean that Deedy could not intervene. The video also backs up Gutowski getting into a fight.
on July 23,2013 | 05:30PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "The video also backs up Gutowski getting into a fight."

Yes it does.


on July 23,2013 | 08:33PM
hanalei395 wrote:
The defense got fooled. They thought they had the perfect alibi, the perfect reason to say Deedy had to "rescue" that original witness and that's where it all started. But, after finding out that the witness didn't need any rescuing, the alibi had to change. So it's now Gutowski (another drunk besides Deedy) who needed the "rescuing".
on July 23,2013 | 06:01PM
false wrote:
That makes sense but how did Gutowski get close to Medeiros? They were sitting by the wall and then the fight was by the door and condiments? How did the guys with the gun get to the guys without the gun?
on July 23,2013 | 08:22PM
Mypualani wrote:
Selective drunk memory. Severely beaten!!! Yeah was severe alright
on July 23,2013 | 05:27PM
Mypualani wrote:
I don't get it! Five beers? But I don't remember.
on July 23,2013 | 05:29PM
Anonymous wrote:
“He was very much in control of himself,” Gutowski said. Apparently not.
on July 23,2013 | 05:41PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
If you want to see the full video of what happened from the beginning to the end, check this out on "you tube"---start it at 24:00. http://youtu.be/K_CDhTH_EgE
on July 23,2013 | 05:46PM
Anonymous wrote:
I keep reading about how Deedy is a federal agent, that he was acting in the capacity of a law enforcement officer. Yet, NOWHERE do I see where he identified himself as such. Can anyone refute that?
on July 23,2013 | 05:49PM
Peacenik wrote:
The video has lapses in it. Lots of things weren't seen or heard. If anything the security co. should be sued for providing such worthless service to their customer. Gutkowski was punched in the temple, a deadly blow, by Eldert, confirmed by examiner in report of goose egg. He thought it was a gun, because of the impact. No one is disputing that the Feds were getting their buns kicked. They felt their lives were in danger, so Deedy used his gun. This manslaughter at it's best, not murder.
on July 23,2013 | 06:21PM
xxNOTxx wrote:
All of the videos from their security cam are like that, lapses, but at least you can see how things progressed from the beginning to the end.
on July 23,2013 | 06:45PM
false wrote:
Except there were many patrons with cell phones. How is it those videos haven't surfaced? Money?
on July 23,2013 | 08:50PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
You would think someone has it on video from their cell.
on July 24,2013 | 01:53AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Interesting- a couple of frat boys from the Deep South. Particularly in the South, the fraternities are bastions of racism. Not a surprise that they have a problem with brown people that "don't know their place".
on July 23,2013 | 06:21PM
hanalei395 wrote:
With an attitude that "inferior" locals showing no respect to the "superiors" ....."is not correct".
on July 23,2013 | 06:47PM
sailfish1 wrote:
There's plenty of racism and animosity in Hawaii against white people, mainland people, and Asian people (especially tourists). When you get that mix, there's going to be big trouble. And, that is what happened.
on July 23,2013 | 07:37PM
Grimbold wrote:
Agree. Euroamericans are blamed for all ills of society . Locals of the lower classes of Hawaiian-Polynesian-Hispanic-Portuguese-Phillipino mix have that attitude not too rarely.
on July 23,2013 | 08:16PM
hanalei395 wrote:
Grimbold, on another post, admitted that he stares at low life locals ("Hawaiian-Polynesian-Hispanic-Portuguese-Phiilipino mix"). But then he complained that once, he received back, a "physical action".
on July 23,2013 | 08:39PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Euoramericans are by and large responsible for the fallout from 400 years of slavery, land thieving, and genocide. So yeah, the descendants of the victims are a little disgruntled. The best thing the Euroamericans can do for starters is stop being in denial.
on July 23,2013 | 09:51PM
Mrs_G wrote:
OMG. . .Now I'm from "lower classes". . .only in your mind, Grim, only in your mind. . .
on July 24,2013 | 07:43PM
false wrote:
Racism is part of the planet. It's called cultural pride. However, history has allowed some to think they have a superior destiny and they play it out. In Hawaii such arrogance is not allowed. However, man's inhumanity to man knows no ethnic boundaries. We are not far from the violence of animals on the plains. We have progressed to some social conventions to control lawlessness but it doesn't always balance out in our favor, whether it's war, Trayvon Martin, Kollin Elderts or Danin. When we meet up with a lawless person we are dead. Words and stink eye don't kill. Video shows that Elderts and Medeiros were in good spirits. Deed and Gutowski escalated the conflict by getting into Medeiros' and Elderts's spaces and faces. They brought this down. Justice needs to include Gutowski and Fein..... for his racial provocation prior to the evening.
on July 23,2013 | 08:56PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"There's plenty of racism and animosity in Hawaii against white people, mainland people". ...Yeah, sure. However, at the same time ... There's plenty of racism and animosity in Hawaii from white people, mainland people.
on July 23,2013 | 09:47PM
kolohepalu wrote:
There are very strong foundations in Hawaii for lingering resentment against caucasians. It's only exacerbated when they act like they can't understand why. Several hundred years of exploitation and the illegal overthrow of a monarchy, for starters. If you want to understand the roots of racism, start by taking a realistic look at the historical foundations behind it. It's not going away, any more than history is going away.
on July 23,2013 | 09:47PM
Grimbold wrote:
If someone would investigate where that racism comes from we could resolve it.
on July 23,2013 | 08:17PM
Peacenik wrote:
Maybe if you can reverse that and instead of Deep South. substitute Waianae, and substitute Brown people with hauolis, and it'll still make sense. It was Eldert who initiate the conversation, using race baiting language.
on July 23,2013 | 08:27PM
Kapaho wrote:
Too much guns and too much drugs, both out of control. Both were at fault, unfortunately one died. The only people who really know what happened are those who were at McDonald's when the fight/shooting took place. After all their testimonies, then the jury will have to decide. Should be interesting.
on July 23,2013 | 07:27PM
false wrote:
There are a lot of witnesses and probably more videos.
on July 23,2013 | 08:57PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
"Very much in control of himself." And he shot and killed a fellow human being. I'd had to see him when had more than 6-8 or 10 drinks and was not in control of himself, armed, and impressed with being a federal gunman.
on July 23,2013 | 08:30PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
Early, didn't Gutowski say he didn't recall much? How come all of a sudden he remembers everything. What a guy! Didn't Deedy hit Elderts first and fired the weapon before Deedy got to him. Didn't Deedy approach Elderts table two times? Hellooooo, who is the liar? All I know and everyone else is this, Elderts was unarmed and this guy who was drinking had a gun. Now who is wrong? Elderts isn't coming back, so the gotta punish the guilty one.
on July 23,2013 | 08:38PM
aomohoa wrote:
From no memory to a very detailed memory. Interest and not very believable. My other comment was sent for approval. You can only imagine why. LOL
on July 23,2013 | 08:51PM
51butterflies wrote:
I don't find Gutowski's testimony credible. He goes from 'fuzzy" recollections to so called detailed. If he felt "severely beaten" then why did he turn down a CT scan at the ER. He tells the triage nurse "he may have been hit by a gun."Deedy was the only one with a gun and handling a gun. I think Gutowski has had legal counseling as to what to say, in the time that has lapsed before this trial came to be. Is this what is called fabricated? My Major questions about this Deedy Case is what was said, or what acts led to the start of all this scuffling? Did the men come into McDonald's having already encountered each other earlier? Why were they so angered with each other from the start?
on July 23,2013 | 11:45PM
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