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Agent did not identify himself, witness testifies

A friend said Kollin Elderts felt threatened when asked, "You feel like getting shot?"

By Ken Kobayashi

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LAST UPDATED: 02:35 a.m. HST, Jul 26, 2013


A close friend of the 23-year-old Kailua man killed at a McDonald's restaurant in Waikiki testified Thursday that he did not hear or see U.S. State Department Special Agent Christopher Deedy identify himself as a law enforcement officer or show a badge before he fired the fatal shot.

Shane Medeiros, a longtime friend of Kollin Elderts, who was shot in the chest, also testified that Deedy repeatedly told Elderts, "You feel like getting shot? You want to get shot?"

Medeiros said Elderts became upset by the threats and replied, "Oh, you want shoot me? If you want to shoot me, shoot me."

Elderts walked to Deedy, who kicked him, Medeiros testified. Elderts then delivered an "open-hand" slap to the agent's face, Medeiros said.

Medeiros said he was fighting with Deedy's friend when he heard gunfire and saw Deedy and Elderts falling to the floor. He heard a total of three shots, he said.

Medeiros, 24, is a key prosecution witness. His testimony came on the 12th day of Deedy's trial on a charge of murdering Elderts the early morning of Nov. 5, 2011, at the Kuhio Avenue McDonald's restaurant. He will retake the stand when the trial resumes Monday for cross-examination by Deedy's lawyer.

Deedy, 29, of Arlington, Va., was here to provide security for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation conference.

The prosecution contends that Deedy was driven by alcohol and inexperience when he went to Chinatown and Waikiki bars armed with a 9 mm Glock before ending up at McDonald's and shooting the unarmed Elderts.

Deedy's defense is that he identified himself as a law enforcement officer and showed his badge when he tried to quell a potentially dangerous situation. But Elderts became upset and attacked Deedy, who fired his gun in self-defense, the defense maintains.

Medeiros, however, said he never heard Deedy identifying himself and never saw him showing any identification. He said Deedy's remarks about getting shot made Elderts "upset that he was pretty much threatened."

Medeiros said he saw Deedy's right hand reach for his hip and a "black butt" sticking out from his side. He said his first thought was Deedy was reaching for a Taser electronic weapon, but then realized it was a gun.

He said that Elderts pushed aside Deedy's friend Adam Gutowski, and Medeiros and Gutowski began fighting, punching each other. Medeiros said he heard the shots and saw Elderts and Deedy standing before they fell to the floor.

Medeiros said he had known Elderts since their days at Kailua Intermediate School. He described his friend a "great person" who was loud but liked to joke around. "He could make anyone laugh," Medeiros said.

Elderts was working for one of his uncles, building steel trusses, Medeiros said.

Medeiros said that when he and Elderts went to McDonald's and ordered food at the counter, Elderts was joking with the McDonald's workers and with another customer, Michel Perrine.

Medeiros said all he remembers from that exchange is that Perrine said, "Oh, I live in Hawaii, too; I'm from Hawaii."

Medeiros said Elderts made it clear he was joking and responded, "OK. That's cool."

Medeiros testified he later noticed Perrine staring at him and told Perrine, "You still have a f--- problem? We told you we were just joking around, but you're still staring at us."

Medeiros said Deedy appeared to be thinking Perrine was in trouble, but Deedy didn't reply when Medeiros explained they were just joking with the customer.

Medeiros said the situation was defused by another customer, Alexander Byrd, but Medeiros testified he later heard Deedy telling Elderts that acting the way he did would get him shot and asking if he wanted to get shot.

"I was shocked he would say that," Medeiros said.

According to prosecutors, the agent's kick started the altercation that led to Elderts' death.

Earlier Thursday, Brandalynn Salzbrenner, a McDonald's cashier, retook the stand and testified that Elderts was on top of Deedy on the restaurant floor and punching him when she heard two gunshots.

Salzbrenner testified she saw Deedy take out his gun and fire a shot at Elderts, who pushed the agent backward and had straddled him on the floor when she heard two other shots.

Salzbrenner said Elderts didn't "wind back" when punching Deedy.

She described the blows as "soft punches."

Salzbrenner testified the first shot hit Elderts, but city prosecutors in pretrial filings said the first shot narrowly missed him.

The defense contends it was the third and final shot that hit the Kailua man in the chest.

The fatal bullet was recovered from Elderts' body. Police found two bullet holes in the restaurant walls.






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MalamaKaAina wrote:
This juror has reached a verdict!
on July 26,2013 | 02:27AM
Rivergrouch wrote:
This comment has been deleted.
on July 26,2013 | 05:29AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
Rivergrouch is a Loser!
on July 26,2013 | 05:54AM
UhhDuhh wrote:
Loser because?
on July 26,2013 | 10:05AM
control wrote:
malama is the loser, he/she has to get up early just because he/she wants to be the first person to post on a topic. to me that's the mark of a true loser.
on July 26,2013 | 11:40AM
MalamaKaAina wrote:
lol....wrong....wrong.....and wrong!
on July 26,2013 | 03:27PM
aomohoa wrote:
Stupid reason. That makes you look like a loser that likes to trash people.
on July 26,2013 | 08:51PM
Recce wrote:
Said the guy who doesn't need to hear all the facts before proving what bias really is. MalamaKA, better you should take Abraham Lincoln's wise advice: "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
on July 26,2013 | 07:39AM
saveparadise wrote:
Absolutely correct Recce! The problem is determining just what is fact. I want to hear Deedy testify. Even to read his testimony in the SA can be bs. The reporters leave out key portions to bias the public.
on July 26,2013 | 08:30AM
Mypualani wrote:
Save on this a really agree with you, the reporting is Nailz to say the lest.
on July 26,2013 | 09:28AM
Shh wrote:
hehe I like the nailz part! More like Nailzzz! But yes I agree as well.
on July 26,2013 | 10:09AM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL
on July 26,2013 | 06:28PM
gobows wrote:
lol.....they only presented ONE SIDE of the case so far.........you not that gullible ARE YOU??
on July 26,2013 | 09:39AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Gobo, the defense cross examined all witnesses. That means two sides were presented. Maybe a video expert by the defense will say that what people perceive in the video and what they remember in their memory are two different conceptual processes. In other words confusion. A use of force expert will say that the stance Deedy took prior to his first kick, and the use of the kick, created a space in which the shooter could maximize a full frontal "center mass" shot. Problem is Jessica West is between them. And from there it was de- escalated by West,Gutkowski and the marine.
on July 26,2013 | 02:09PM
control wrote:
another broken record, this person keeps saying that every day. what a joke, just go away malama.
on July 26,2013 | 11:39AM
BigOpu wrote:
No ID or badge before the first shot makes Deedy a stranger with a gun. Especially with one shot in the direction of Elderts, that first shot, hit or not, was meant for damage. I would think a warning shot does not go in the direction of a person. Elderts is now in the position to defend himself. For all he knows, if he holds up or runs, he risks getting shot while retreating. Elderts doesn't know this dude is Fed. Just an alcohol induced gunman.
on July 26,2013 | 02:46AM
kailua000 wrote:
alcohol/drug induced moke/victim and alcohol induced gunman/cowboy .,..just asking for trouble in waikiki that time of the morning.
on July 26,2013 | 04:05AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Deedy tells Elderts, a local guy, that acting like that would "get you shot". ... It was once (or still is) said to a black person in the South that ..... "Acting like that will get you lynched".
on July 26,2013 | 04:50AM
Grimbold wrote:
A Brown guy once cut me off going up Pali HWy and i honked my horn. He pulled aside and called out: In Hawaii you can get shot for that. Local culture same as Deedy.
on July 26,2013 | 08:41PM
Mypualani wrote:
What does that have to do with this case? Are you dead? Dang grim please stop trying to insert your personal experiences in this trial. I am by no means discounting the horrible treatment that you have had to endure ( no sarcasm here) no one likes mean people of any race or creed. Have a happy Aloha week-end
on July 27,2013 | 07:14PM
Shh wrote:
I don't care if the guy was purple, yellow or green. If you did something toopid on the road then most likely you going here something from someone no matter where you at!
on July 28,2013 | 03:53PM
kolohepalu wrote:
God, broken record. What is asking for trouble is being drunk and carrying a gun, and mouthing off to locals in a strange place. Only one person is on trial.
on July 26,2013 | 06:14PM
Shh wrote:
I believe mederios that Deedy did not identify himself as an Agent. I can also see what Deedy was doing to seem as a threat as well. So I can understand Elderts getting upset and saying shoot me if you going shoot me. Sounds like the truth.
on July 26,2013 | 10:12AM
Pocho wrote:
That's what punks get thinking they all that. Going in there thinking you're King of McDonald's harassing the white tourists.
on July 26,2013 | 01:30PM
Shh wrote:
Yeah I guess. Because if Deedy did show his ID and said what he said. I don't think Elderts would of said what he said.
on July 26,2013 | 02:15PM
Mythman wrote:
In other words, the agent tried to assert control by threatening to shoot the perp instead of asserting his authority as a federal law enforcement agent - yeah, right, this is really believable testimony.....
on July 26,2013 | 05:39PM
Mythman wrote:
Naive witnesses often lie thinking no one will see through it - as this witness is obviously doing....
on July 26,2013 | 05:37PM
kailua000 wrote:
um, how could he see all this when he says he was fighting with deedys friend when the gun went off?
on July 26,2013 | 04:04AM
mitt_grund wrote:
It was the McDonald's clerk who testified she saw the shot that hit Elderts and that it was the first shot. Medeiros said he turned when he heard the shots, but did not witness the shooting.
on July 26,2013 | 04:30AM
kolohepalu wrote:
two words: peripheral vision
on July 26,2013 | 06:15PM
MKN wrote:
Interesting testimony. If Medeiros saw what looked like a taser or gun, why didn't he tell Elderts to back off? Common sense would tell you that if the guy your friend is arguing with has a gun, you tell him to back off and try to get out of the situation as soon as possible. Of course if what Medeiros said is true, Deedy should have never threatened or kicked Elderts. Like I keep saying, lots of stupidity on both sides since neither side seemed to want to back down. Really curious as to how the defense is gonna explain their version of events and the witnesses that they have. This trial will probably last another week or two at this rate.
on July 26,2013 | 04:12AM
Mypualani wrote:
MKN your post says it all. Common sense? looks like there were none that morning for both sides. Joking or not I can see how Deedy sensed danger when Mederios asked what Perrine was looking at. Deedy is not from here he would'nt have known about the joking part. As far as he's concerned Parrine could have been a target of two mokes. Add Ms West and his friend Gutowski to this only god knows what they told Deedy before the threats started. On the video west and Gutowski position themselves at different places in the restaurant before the confrontation even starts. Not taking sides on this but it is pretty clear after Mederios testimony what fueled this. Deedy had to be under the influence to have acted the way he did, a non drunk sober agent would not react the way he did, I don't care about test, look at the actions.of the agent.
on July 26,2013 | 04:44AM
false wrote:
Now we read some common sense. Lets get this over with already. Deedy is guilty.
on July 26,2013 | 05:42AM
PCWarrior wrote:
Deedy is as sad an excuse for a federal agent that I have ever seen in my life. Most of the federal agents I've known are sharp by the book stand up guys, but Deedy is a pathetic loser who I hope spends many a year in Halawa prison with all the bruddahs and the fun that such an existence would entail.
on July 26,2013 | 09:38AM
Fred01 wrote:
Deedy is a sad excuse for an agent. Meanwhile, Elderts was typical standard local trash, who had it coming one way or another.
on July 26,2013 | 09:54AM
copperwire9 wrote:
You're still at it, I see. NOBODY deserves to be murdered.
on July 26,2013 | 11:43AM
false wrote:
yup. no one deserves to die. Everyone's got to be a tough guy eh?
on July 26,2013 | 12:21PM
yrusodz wrote:
Fred-allie if loud jer*ks deserve to be shot why are you still around?
on July 26,2013 | 07:42PM
jimbone wrote:
Spot on correct..
on July 27,2013 | 06:36AM
false wrote:
Not taking sides but let the jury decide.
on July 26,2013 | 12:20PM
PTF wrote:
I agree. That's what the jury is there for to make the decision.
on July 26,2013 | 11:35PM
saveparadise wrote:
Mypualani, How can you believe the believe the Medeiros testimony when Gotowski said that he was already getting beat up by both Kolin and Shane? Who's testimony do you believe? Nothing is fact at this point. More forensic evidence is needed and probably yet to come. Don't be biased by the news till all the evidence is in!
on July 26,2013 | 08:43AM
Mypualani wrote:
True dat save I get your point. For me it's about the testimony and the video. As for believing no I don't believe in feelings or emotions, for criminal case it's about facts and evidence. How each side puts this together is what the jury will decide on, along with instructions from the judge. We still haven't seen/ heard what the defense will bring. I would rather wait for that to even form a whole opinion on this case.
on July 26,2013 | 09:35AM
false wrote:
Let's hope that some who comment don't ever sit on a jury since they are not able to hear all of the evidence.
on July 26,2013 | 12:23PM
Mypualani wrote:
LOL false, I can say with all honesty I would not make a good juror, I am too EMO. I can come on here and blah blah but this is just palace where people can come to vent talk and share opinions and me I learn a few things here and there.
on July 26,2013 | 06:34PM
wiliki wrote:
I suspect Medeiros has some remorse over harassing Perrine over stink-eye and provoking Deedy into acting. Deedy may have actually thought the Medeiros was the more violent one and that proved valid when Medeiros started beating Deedy's friend. Eldert might have thought that he should take on Deedy while Medeiros was busy beating up Deedy's friend.
on July 26,2013 | 02:10PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
My experience over all the years, is the most intoxicated combatant gets the worst beating.
on July 26,2013 | 02:50PM
Mypualani wrote:
Mine too Nanakuli mine too.
on July 26,2013 | 06:35PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Where is Jessica West? She could clarify more then Gutkowski. She was with these two the whole night. She seems to be the most level headed of the three. She could also confirmed if her two " mysterious" girlfriends drank off of Deedys last bar tab. This is what gutkowski claimed. This ex girlfriend has disappeared? Hmmmm. To me she did her very best to defuse and hold Deedy back. Gutkowski was constantly floating to the napkin dispenser.
on July 26,2013 | 02:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
I think the reason we have not seen Jessica West yet is she will be called as a defense witness. It will be interesting to hear her version of events....
on July 26,2013 | 03:19PM
Mypualani wrote:
Indeed very interesting.
on July 26,2013 | 06:36PM
jess wrote:
I agree with you that there was an extreme lack of sense on both sides. However, from the time Medeiros saw the gun to the time Elderts was shot was merely seconds.
on July 26,2013 | 08:02AM
Mypualani wrote:
Exactly! Everything happened with in mere minutes.
on July 26,2013 | 08:34AM
hapaguy wrote:
Actually from the first kick thrown by Deedy to Elderts to when Deedy shoots Elderts and they both fall to the ground, only 35 seconds!
on July 26,2013 | 09:50AM
Mypualani wrote:
Dang.
on July 26,2013 | 06:37PM
Shh wrote:
I agree. Too fast for his friend to be warned.
on July 26,2013 | 02:17PM
Shh wrote:
I would think because everything was going to fast for him to warn his friend.
on July 26,2013 | 02:16PM
LittleEarl_01 wrote:
"Agent did not identify himself, witness testifies." And who was this witness? None other than Shane Medeiros, a longtime friend of Kollin Elderts. Besides Medeiros was busy beating up Gutowski. I would place odds that Medeiros would have tested positive for drugs and alcohol, the same as Elderts. Two local mokes trying to act bad.Score, 1 dead.
on July 26,2013 | 04:36AM
Mypualani wrote:
Well the same could be said for Deedy's little severely beaten buddy, Gutowski, with his selective memory. So no act.
on July 26,2013 | 05:31AM
Rivergrouch wrote:
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on July 26,2013 | 05:43AM
Mypualani wrote:
River grouch, such a lively and funny kind of person, taking glee and happiness in others sorrows, wow your family / friends must be so proud of you! Well assuming that you have any.
on July 26,2013 | 06:26AM
hanalei395 wrote:
River hates locals with a passion. And he's extremely happy that Deedy did what he always wanted to do.
on July 26,2013 | 06:48AM
Mypualani wrote:
Hanalei beautiful place BTW, I guessed that, I feel sorry for riverrat, all that hate can eat you up.
on July 26,2013 | 08:36AM
Usagi336 wrote:
That's why he's a grouch.
on July 26,2013 | 09:18AM
AmbienDaze wrote:
hanalei in kauai is a beautiful place, that's the incongruity, the prince is not without bias and prejudice based on the comments s/he posts. should pick a more suitable screen tag.
on July 26,2013 | 03:06PM
Fred01 wrote:
Local trash!
on July 26,2013 | 09:56AM
dsl wrote:
no...white trash:)
on July 26,2013 | 11:29AM
Mypualani wrote:
LMBO at riverrat you too funny
on July 26,2013 | 06:38PM
ryan02 wrote:
Yep, any local who DARES to fight back after being kicked and threatened deserves to be killed. Deedy was doing us all a favor by eliminating the world of someone who fights back after being kicked. We don't need people like that in the world. I think we should have more federal agents going out and kicking people, just to see who fights back. Then they can kill them all.
on July 26,2013 | 09:40AM
bumba wrote:
Nope. Elderts was a drunk and a bully. Tried to act tough and got killed. Whop his jaws.
on July 26,2013 | 11:43AM
false wrote:
There a lot more out there throwing their chest out.
on July 26,2013 | 12:29PM
false wrote:
Macho males come in all colors and heights. Deedy is as much a punk as Elderts, only he had a gun and Elderts had slippahs. Time for tee shirt "Got Slippah?"?
on July 26,2013 | 03:50PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
ryan, that makes no sense at all. Many men of all cultures WOULD fight back after being kicked and threatened, especially if the kick was weak. Try to let common sense override your bias. You kick me weakly, buddy, you going down, lol.
on July 26,2013 | 06:24PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Haha- I love these keyboard warriors. Think typing in capitals is a substitute for having the sack to say what he thinks in public. No wonder you support Deedy, you're the kind of wuzzy that's scared of brown people and would carry a gun to a fistfight- it's the only way you'd have the courage to start a confrontation. Well, the brown people are still out there tough guy- keep typing away- and consider a move- far away- you don't fit.
on July 26,2013 | 06:25PM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
No other person heard Deedy identify himself as a LEO. Deedy claims he did, but it's obvious that this is just fabricated damage control now. Regardless, I think the Federal Government is going to make the Elderts family very rich one day soon.
on July 26,2013 | 05:44AM
soundofreason wrote:
NOT identifying himself is not illegal. Just makes him a liar.
on July 26,2013 | 07:09AM
saveparadise wrote:
Sound, but what if he did?? How do we really know?? Deedy has yet to testify and then who do you believe if he says he did? Who is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Justice can be blind if we rely totally on testimony of witnesses that were under stress and under the influence. I spend time in meetings where I am paying attention and for whatever reasons I don't hear everything.
on July 26,2013 | 08:49AM
Mypualani wrote:
Save you just described me. Even when they hand out what we are discussing I still need to write, this is how I pay attention to things and I still miss...go figure my mind is getting old.
on July 26,2013 | 09:38AM
false wrote:
Deedy doesn't have to testify and his lawyer isn't going to let him.
on July 26,2013 | 03:51PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Not identifying himself is not illegal, just makes him look like a liar and murderer.
on July 26,2013 | 12:21PM
Shh wrote:
May not be illegal but killing someone and being a liar is illegal!
on July 26,2013 | 02:19PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
soundofreason, it's not illegal. However, it makes his case awfully weak. If Deedy had identified and shown badge, this trial would be already over.
on July 26,2013 | 06:27PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
LittleEarl_01 wrote: "Agent did not identify himself, witness testifies." And who was this witness? None other than Shane Medeiros, a longtime friend of Kollin Elderts.

To be fair, there have been what? Six witnesses so far, and none of them heard Deedy identify himself as a special agent with the State Dept when he approached Elderts. Honestly though, I don't think it matters if he told them what his day job was or not.


on July 26,2013 | 06:10AM
soundofreason wrote:
Agreed. Irrelevant.
on July 26,2013 | 07:10AM
Shh wrote:
Agree. Either way he still shot someone with the gun when he was supposed to be off his security duty.
on July 26,2013 | 02:21PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
A stinking drunk, slurring and mumbling saying he was a fed. with no identification saying "Yaaaa wanner get shoot in yo face"..... with multiple people in a crowded restaurant, gonna pull out a semi auto pistol and start shooting? Yeah right. Soundofreason, irrelevant? Lol.
on July 26,2013 | 02:44PM
soundofreason wrote:
and yet, he's able to render medical aid....competently.....magically.....during all of this.
on July 26,2013 | 07:47PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
And the ER Doc did not think that he was impaired and noted in his notes that he seemed normal. HPD did too until they magically all remembered that he was supposedly drunk but forgot to write it down.
on July 27,2013 | 04:53AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Did the ER doctor say the aid rendered was competent? A drunk trying to stick his finger in a hole he made is not rendering aid.
on July 27,2013 | 10:15AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Actually, that's standard training. Plug the wound. Why would the Dr comment on the aid? He wasn't there.
on July 28,2013 | 09:37AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Kalaheo, I believe it would. If I were approached by an FBI agent who ID'd himself, I'd instantly behave myself. He might not pound me, but his HPD counterparts gonna put me in place.
on July 26,2013 | 06:31PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
He's not FBI. He's "with the State Dept." Those guys don't arrst many people.
on July 26,2013 | 09:23PM
ueharator wrote:
Is it common practice for people to carry tasers? I'm too old to know what people carry now days so I find it strange that Mederios thought Deedy was pulling out a taser rather than a gun since he (Mederios) claimed Deedy didn't identify himself. I thought only law enforement officers carried tasers.
on July 26,2013 | 06:47AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
ueharator wrote: "Is it common practice for people to carry tasers? I'm too old to know what people carry now days so I find it strange that Mederios thought Deedy was pulling out a taser rather than a gun since he (Mederios) claimed Deedy didn't identify himself. I thought only law enforement officers carried tasers."

To be fair, in Hawaii, only Law Enforcement carry guns too.

I think it may have been inconceivable to Mederios that someone would pull out a gun during a scuffle in a crowded McDonalds.


on July 26,2013 | 07:58AM
Mypualani wrote:
Kalheo1 you got that right.also different laws in different states
on July 26,2013 | 08:38AM
8082062424 wrote:
i own 2 one is a stun gun smart phone looks just like a smart phone and a smaller one i keep on my key chain. thing is there not legal in this state. in cali they have tasser party's. a friend in cali sent me mine
on July 26,2013 | 09:08AM
Usagi336 wrote:
Yikes!
on July 26,2013 | 09:20AM
Mypualani wrote:
808 you have a good friend, yes they are not legal here but I carry one too, not the gun with the flying wires. I work in areas where safety could be a concern and I am going to be prepared. Just going to the store is crazy in the parking lot.
on July 26,2013 | 09:42AM
jess wrote:
They're pretty common.
on July 26,2013 | 08:13AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Medeiros is lying - He knows that Deedy identified himself as a federal agent. That's why he thought that Deedy had a taser because he and Elderts already had past experiences mixing it up with police officers who are the only people who can legally carry a taser.
on July 26,2013 | 10:31AM
mki wrote:
This is the most logical comment I've read yet.
on July 26,2013 | 12:15PM
8082062424 wrote:
ok are all the other folks lieing since no one heard he say he was agent
on July 26,2013 | 02:04PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
So salt fish, why didn't Deedys good friend not hear it?
on July 26,2013 | 02:53PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Probably because Medeiros was beating him up. I just put 2 and 2 together and get 4. Try it sometime. Sure your eyes are okay? It is Sailfish not salf fish.
on July 26,2013 | 08:03PM
kolohepalu wrote:
You're doing math with imaginary numbers. Salt fish.
on July 27,2013 | 07:54AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Illegal tasers are common.
on July 26,2013 | 12:22PM
ryan02 wrote:
Yeah, how dare Elderts fight back after being kicked? These local guys are all bad. A good person would just sit there and allow the other guy to kick him and threaten to shoot him all he wants. That's what Jesus would have done. Anybody who fights back after being kicked and threatened deserves to be killed. Especially if they're local.
on July 26,2013 | 09:38AM
Fred01 wrote:
Agreed!
on July 26,2013 | 09:58AM
dsl wrote:
Fred - You don't get it...stay in your cave
on July 26,2013 | 11:28AM
Shh wrote:
You forgot the part about a good person would be so kind to return the Agents slippah after being kicked.
on July 26,2013 | 02:29PM
false wrote:
Slippah is considered a retaliatory weapon used by Elderts and it provoked Deedy to shoot.
on July 26,2013 | 03:54PM
sak wrote:
The slap in the face was the last insult!
on July 26,2013 | 05:49PM
Shh wrote:
Yeah I know that. My comment was to Ryan as a joke to his.
on July 28,2013 | 04:00PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Sorry about my previous post. Didn't recognize sarcasm.:)
on July 26,2013 | 06:34PM
bumba wrote:
Should have been two.
on July 26,2013 | 11:41AM
HawaiiCheeseBall wrote:
"You still have a f--- problem? We told you we were just joking around, but you're still staring at us." All you need to know about Medeiros.
on July 26,2013 | 12:20PM
sak wrote:
We were just joking around and waiting for the right second to false crack the sucka like we always do, hah-hah-hah!
on July 26,2013 | 05:50PM
false wrote:
Also said they were just joking around. Both you and I know what kind of jokes these type of mokes resort to. Intimidation so they can justify in their own minds that the had a right to punch you out. Try joking with them. They don't see it that way. I don't think this is the last we will hear of Medeiros either.
on July 26,2013 | 12:28PM
chryw8 wrote:
the only mokes i can joke around with are the mokes who grew up (?) in my neighborhood. i would never dare to joke around with other mokes. do you notice many mokes when provoked will say, "no ack stoopid" before the first punch is thrown?
on July 26,2013 | 04:55PM
wiliki wrote:
I agree. We can't trust statements by Medeiros....
on July 26,2013 | 02:14PM
kolohepalu wrote:
He only got two local mokes, little earl, the rest are out there. . . It's so dangerous here. You should move.
on July 26,2013 | 06:28PM
Mypualani wrote:
Elderts was threatened not once or twice. Deedy looks like he was trying to at first contain the situation, but you don't go around threatening to shoot people what sober agent does this. He should have called the police.before he delivered the first threat or kick. The jury will get their instructions from the judge. Before I even conclude my thoughts on this. The defense still has to present. Right now this does not look good for Deedy.
on July 26,2013 | 04:55AM
false wrote:
Best thing for Deedy is to face the issues and move on. He needs to look to reinventing himself to save his sanity. Don't come back to Hawaii either. Lesson learned, going McD's just order and don't make jokes with outsiders. They don't understand that kind of chatter.
on July 26,2013 | 05:08AM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Best thing for Deedy is to face the issues and move on". ...... Deedy is "moving on". On to either OCCC or Halawa. And HE WILL "face the issues" there. ("Lesson learned" ......too late).
on July 26,2013 | 05:19AM
Mypualani wrote:
Got a feeling that you are correct. The defense is pretty weak. How will they explain away the threats and the first kick? How about that first shot? Now a witness stated that the first shot hit Elderts. If this is true Elderts was dying before he even ended up on Deedy, Elderts was fighting for his life.
on July 26,2013 | 05:29AM
hanalei395 wrote:
Elderts went down fighting and that punk coward Deedy was still in complete fear.
on July 26,2013 | 05:41AM
Fred01 wrote:
Elderts was a typical local coward piece of turd.
on July 26,2013 | 10:00AM
Peacenik wrote:
I got flagged and reprimanded once using your last 3 words. Funny how they didn't catch you? They flagged another post I made today when I purposely mispelled the H word.
on July 26,2013 | 10:11AM
dsl wrote:
Ignorant
on July 26,2013 | 11:27AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Peacenik - That is because using those words in the same sentence as "Elderts" is acceptable in Hawaii.
on July 26,2013 | 01:34PM
false wrote:
Exactly, Mypualani. Sweet.
on July 26,2013 | 05:44AM
control wrote:
actually to me the prosecution side is pretty weak for a murder 2 conviction IMHO. we all know that elderts first stated this all, still not convinced that deedy didn't do it to protect himself.
on July 26,2013 | 12:22PM
hapaguy wrote:
Elderts didn't start it Deedy did. Aren't you paying attention. NO ONE DISPUTES THAT DEEDY THREW THE FIRST BLOW, NOT EVEN THE DEFENSE....
on July 26,2013 | 12:53PM
control wrote:
elderts started the whole confrontation by "joking" with perrine.
on July 26,2013 | 01:41PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Throwing the first blow is not the "start" of the confrontation. Very few people walk up to a guy who he didn't have any interaction with and kick him.
on July 26,2013 | 08:09PM
hapaguy wrote:
sailfish I see your point. Let me clarify: Deedy was the first person in all this to commit the first crime: Assault. Actually Deedy committed a crime prior to assaulting Elderts: Terroristic Threatening which is a Class C Felony in Hawaii. So really Deedy committed the first two CRIMES..
on July 26,2013 | 08:38PM
Shh wrote:
Yes I would agree with that. He would be fighting for his life.
on July 26,2013 | 02:38PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
Yes, you don't threaten to shoot the local 'cause the local is going to dare you to shoot him. Not the smartest response. Go figure.
on July 26,2013 | 06:19AM
Mypualani wrote:
No not the smartest response you right about that. Deedy on the other hand wasn't too smart either with his training and all. His responses took someone's life. That guy who died in McDonald could have been anyone here who is commenting. " a loved one or a friend" this angers me above all else, being the family member left behind to pick up the pieces and work through loosing someone this way. I can speak to this because I been there it's been 11 years but painful none the less.
on July 26,2013 | 08:44AM
Shh wrote:
hehe yes that is true. The locals stand up to it. Not very smart.
on July 26,2013 | 02:41PM
hanabatadayz wrote:
this is kinda like horse playing..someone always gets hurts..next time don't joke around..bumbai you learn..oops..too late
on July 26,2013 | 05:39AM
false wrote:
So true. Took some moke kids to Molokai. Two blocks long Kaunakai. Two moke clowns went to the laundromat and who "knows what happened"? Two mokes running through Kaunakai, one with bvds on his head and curls coming out, chased by two "uhoos". Local style solution. Jus joking and run. Did Elderts and Medeiros really have the option of running?
on July 26,2013 | 05:48AM
Mypualani wrote:
I work with youth at risk, and believe me we discuss this issue of alcohol/ drug use and how use leads to risky behavior, what can be joking to some may not be joking to others. The risk behaviors that Deedy did that night is through the roof, this comes down to behaviors from both sides. The out come: one is dead and one is in the process of his life forever changed depending on the jury. I feel bad for both sides. Agent Deedy is probably a good and decent man, Alcohol can do things to even the best of us.
on July 26,2013 | 06:22AM
Slow wrote:
Mahalo for calm wisdom. I do not know what part intoxication plays legally in the trial yet I completely agree with your larger observations.
on July 26,2013 | 07:31AM
inHilo wrote:
Yes, I agree. Sad to say but both these men seem to be on "drunken auto-pilot," both repeating behaviors that may have been appropriate in other situations (the agent trying to stop a fight, the joker trying to defuse the situation) but failing due to the haze of alcohol. Like carrying a gun, even when sober, humor can be dangerous, especially when in an unfamiliar area. More than once, I've said something on the mainland that I thought was funny and it ended up causing problems, especially when in public areas, where the rules are different wherever you go. The sad fact remains though that one person is dead, and that shouldn't be. Thanks, Pualani, for helping the kids.
on July 26,2013 | 07:40AM
Mypualani wrote:
Oh inhilo mahalo, I love love these kids, they are our future, my job is to teach them life skills, such as communication team building and to avoid alcohol and drug use, does it always work? Of course not. But now when they use they are making an informed decision and cannot say " I didn't know" but most importantly what you can loose by the choices you make everyday. Honestly I think Deedy was just trying to scare Elderts and Medeiros. And things really went down hill from there with each mans actions.
on July 26,2013 | 08:53AM
control wrote:
great that you help kids but is there some way that you can stop that stupid stare down mentality? not only this incident we always are aware of the stare down thing and wonder why they have have that mentality?
on July 26,2013 | 12:20PM
false wrote:
Staring down is posturing. It's a tool to keep people at a distance. Refrain from eye contact and mind your own personal space. Don't be niele.
on July 26,2013 | 05:13PM
Mypualani wrote:
Control pleAse believe me when I say, that " stare down thing" frustrates the hell out of me. I am dealing with this a lot
on July 28,2013 | 02:36AM
WooWoo wrote:
This is a 100% true post Mypualani. Thank you for your work with at risk youth. When I saw Medeiros testify "everybody was happy, joking, having a good time," I thought, "well, maybe from your perspective, but when you're on alcohol, marijuana, and cocaine, you think everyone else is having a good time too." Meanwhile, the people you are picking on may not feel the same way. Where is allie this morning? Perhaps she can bring her vast experience about dealing with drunks in Waikiki into the discussion. Fact: when we're drunk, we all think we're funny and can sing good karaoke. Truth is that 99% time we are being *sses and cannot sing for beans.
on July 26,2013 | 08:42AM
Mypualani wrote:
EXACTLY my point , thank you woohoo. What got me is when Mederios stated that he asked Perrine why he was staring and the cashier bought up the " stink eye " testimony, this has the potential to be a fight..I deal with stink eye situations every week. " why he looking at me?" I defuse the situation with, maybe you look like somebody, sometimes when I look at someone, I will always excuse myself and ask do you know so so and so you look like, or I love your make up or hair, I say I am not trying to be rude. Perrine probably experienced getting ripped on I know the kind people who do that, the kids I do work with I give them the rules and the boundaries when they go anywhere or do any activity with me. I tell them if this is too much then let me know and we will work on the issues. But yeah " looking or stink eye" will do it every time.
on July 26,2013 | 09:57AM
8082062424 wrote:
great post and so true.
on July 26,2013 | 10:36AM
Peacenik wrote:
I think what the intentions are of Elderts makes a difference of why Perrine would seem upset. Though, "may I help you" may seem innocent enough, the H word was tossed around, it seems, which could've been race baiting. Medeiros hot-headed reaction also didn't help the situation. Should've just said, "just joking, brah" and dropped it. That macho culture needs to be tweaked down a bit.
on July 26,2013 | 09:08AM
tiki886 wrote:
It started with Elderts and ended with Elderts:

Brandalynn Salzbrenner said Wednesday that Elderts repeatedly said to Michel Perrine in a joking manner, "Can I help you?"

Perrine told him, "No, I got it," and at one point asked Elderts if he was trying to be "racist" because Perrine was "white," according to Salzbrenner.

Perrine testified earlier in the trial that he had a verbal exchange with Elderts at the counter, but said he doesn't recall much after drinking a pitcher of beer and three shots of tequila.

He said the only word he recalled Elderts saying was "haole" multiple times.


on July 26,2013 | 11:19AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Do you teach the youth that if a guy is on top of them and beating on them, it's still not okay to shoot that guy? If so, what are you going to say when one of your youth gets beat to death when he had a gun and didn't use it?
on July 26,2013 | 01:39PM
Mypualani wrote:
To sailfish good question, first off the youth I work with are not "my children" they have their parents to talk to them about that, or a professional like a boxing trainer, martial arts expert. I am not a teacher in self defenses or the like. my job comes down to choices and the consequence of the decisions that they make. Because our decision making skills get pretty messed up when under the influence. Bad things can and do happen pretty quickly. My question to any student I work with is: what the hell are you doing with a gun? Hawaii has one of the strictest gun laws in the nation. You can't even hunt pig on Oahu with a gun. So unless these kids are law enforcement I won't be talking to them about that anytime to soon. We have laws, you don't follow the laws, chances are you going be dead or in jail.
on July 28,2013 | 03:08AM
false wrote:
Yes, but Deedy's first friend Fein.... didn't do him any good. Shows what kind of people he hangs out with and the definitions they promote. Not good advice about how survive local culture. Better for his friends to have said, "Remember, you are just visiting and be invisible. Learn the rules and see how the games are played. Above all don't get involved. You're not on duty."
on July 26,2013 | 05:10PM
Carang_da_buggahz wrote:
Just another fool with a gun trying to "John Wayne" it under color of authority. Deedy would be well advised to start lubing up for the next 20 years.
on July 26,2013 | 05:54AM
control wrote:
and another case where some dumb local thinks he can fight someone with a gun. guess that didn't work out too well for Kolin huh?
on July 26,2013 | 12:18PM
8082062424 wrote:
nor will it work out so well for Deddy
on July 26,2013 | 02:19PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Lots of "baiting" going on. There's a lot of posters who use the term "dumb local" but it seems they live in Hawaii. So for those people, when will you call yourself local? And if your not, are you above being "local"?
on July 26,2013 | 03:03PM
false wrote:
Plllllease. Don't encourage outsiders to be local. Either they get us or they never will understand how special the breeze is, the sounds of the ocean, the tutu feelings, the aunties and uncles all around, the scent of rain, the songs: Nohili E, O Makalapua, Old Plantation, Sweet Someone, Mama E, Nanakuli, Green Lantern Hula, the feeling on the crest of a wave, the freedom to lay in the ocean all day long and eat whatever is on the table: tuna, pork n beans, hot dog. Locals we have a good life and lots of aloha. Punk acts came with some new arrivals.
on July 26,2013 | 05:20PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Nanakuli, did you know that Caucasuans are the majority race in Hawaii? Unreal, yeah? I guess they consider themselves"local Haoles", and everyone else in Hawaii "dumb local".
on July 26,2013 | 06:45PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
I call my ha0le friends local boy, They no care.
on July 26,2013 | 07:38PM
Mypualani wrote:
My son is half Haole, he doesn't act stupid or go looking for trouble, he was raised in Waimanalo. It's all in the actions. If Elderts and Mederios was pulling what they did on Perrine , I know how my son would react. He would say nah brah, and walk away Perrine did the right thing drunk and all, and waited for his food. You see I know their types too, but killing someone over a word, no no can.
on July 28,2013 | 03:16AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
control, no winners here. Elderts went to meet his Maker. Elderts is hurting financially, emotionally and career-wise. Bet his marriage is stressed. Even if Deedy is acquitted, he will have paid a price for his stupidity.....for life.
on July 26,2013 | 06:42PM
Shh wrote:
I agree. It looks like he walked on in like John Wayne knowing he had a gun and the authority to carry one but John Wayne forgot that he wasn't supposed to be carrying the gun where he was at. Hello??? He was supposed to carry it when he is on the job!!
on July 26,2013 | 02:51PM
Publicbraddah wrote:
How much weight do you put into the testimony of witnesses related to Elderts and Deedy? Gotta go with witnesses other than those related to either. Just the facts!
on July 26,2013 | 06:16AM
ryan02 wrote:
And the impartial witnesses all said Deedy did NOT identify himself. That makes Deedy a liar, and we cannot trust his version of anything that happened that night.
on July 26,2013 | 07:35AM
Shh wrote:
Exactly. And the most important fact that he was not supposed to be carrying the gun off the job in the first place! Hello??
on July 26,2013 | 02:53PM
lynnh wrote:
Wrong! Do your homework. Police, FBI, secret service, etc. are all required to carry their sidearms even when off duty.
on July 27,2013 | 12:51AM
Shh wrote:
I never once seen a cop or any other type of off duty officer figure carrying a gun in a bar. I think you need to do your homework because it would be common sense that they are not required to carry their sidearms into any liquor establishments. They could be so kind to leave it at home! This is why Deedy is where he is today!
on July 28,2013 | 04:42PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Impartial? How. Oh yeah, they live on Oahu,all locals. That's it.
on July 26,2013 | 03:05PM
Mypualani wrote:
As for the weight that would pretty much be a grain of salt. They not telling all, then again they are told to just answer the questions asked, nothing more nothing less. Public I am with you on that one.
on July 28,2013 | 04:10AM
nippy68 wrote:
its all over for deedy.....
on July 26,2013 | 06:38AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Even if he's acquitted, Deedy and his entire family are paying the price, financially and emotionally. Deedy's career is over. After this is his wrongful death lawsuit. I am enjoying this. Even if found guilty, Deedy would have paid the price.
on July 26,2013 | 06:53AM
KeithHaugen wrote:
Deedy is being well cared for by the feds. I think he is still on the payroll and his lawyer and other expanses are being paid by you and me.
on July 26,2013 | 07:12AM
tiki886 wrote:
Would Deedy's legal representation still be financed through his union or State Dept even if he was off duty and not supposed to be carrying his weapon?
on July 26,2013 | 07:35AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
KeithHaugen wrote: "Deedy is being well cared for by the feds. I think he is still on the payroll and his lawyer and other expanses are being paid by you and me."

This is from the "Support Deedy" website: "Professional liability insurance is designed to protect officers from being held personally liable for acting within the scope of their employment. It is recommended for all law enforcement officers due the nature of the job and our overly-litigious society. Over a year after the incident, Chris’ attorneys are still fighting with his professional liability insurance policy to provide coverage." http://www.deedysupport.com/the-down-and-dirty-what-every-officer-should-know-about-insurance-and-professional-associations/

Apparently his professional liabilty insurance wants no part of defending him, because they don't seem to think he was acting in a professional capacity. Insurance companies are evil though, and despite my strong feelings on the case, that doesn't necessarily point to anything meaningful.


on July 26,2013 | 08:09AM
false wrote:
It says a lot when the liability insurance is refusing to honor the position because he wasn't on duty, didn't act like he was on duty, didn't refrain from alcoholic beverages while carrying a weapon of destruction was notably intoxicated. The insurance company has no duty to cover his liability because he did not behave as an agent on duty in any respect of the job description, starting with no drinking and carrying a concealed weapon.
on July 26,2013 | 05:24PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Kalaheo, I just visited that website. I didn't realize Deedy was in such bad shape financially and career-wise. That guy is REALLY paying for it for his part of a foolish encounter. Even if Deedy is acquitted, he'll still be paying for it, one way or another, for the rest of his life. LOL, Deedy's own insurance company sued him, when he tried to collect or have them reimburse him for his HUMONGOUS expenses.
on July 26,2013 | 07:05PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Yup, I really believe that Deedy is regreting not calling HPD or just walking away. If you look at the video, Gutkowski and West are heading out the door. Gutkowski is even waving at the cashiers. He walked right pass Deedy without even blinking. He has a look like" What the he'll going on"? They were seconds away from walking out the door.
on July 26,2013 | 07:46PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It looks like his insurance company lost the case and was forced to provide an attorney for the civil suit. His defense clause hasn't been decided by them yet.
on July 27,2013 | 05:03AM
Mypualani wrote:
That would be his home owners insurance. These are two different ones.
on July 28,2013 | 03:21AM
Nevadan wrote:
Keith, on the contrary, I do not believe the fed will take any action until this trial is over. The fed cannot prejudice this case.
on July 26,2013 | 05:20PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Keith, that's just not right. The guy was off duty and drinking. Maybe he'll be required to reimburse the feds. I wonder who's paying for the wrongful death suit? Us again?
on July 26,2013 | 06:48PM
ryan02 wrote:
Sadly, Deedy will just declare bankruptcy and the lawsuits will be paid for out of our tax dollars. After all, the victims will sue the US government too, because even if Deedy broke the rules by drinking and carrying and gun, and was off duty and never identified himself, it was still a gun issued to him by the government, and the government trained (or failed to properly train) him on how NOT to do this type of criminal activity, and it was another federal agent who planted the racist seeds in Deedy's mind. The government will be found partly at fault, and all us taxpayers will be footing the bill. We are ALL victims of Deedy.
on July 26,2013 | 07:41AM
false wrote:
And he is still employed by the federal agency?
on July 26,2013 | 05:25PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
false, yes, but cannot carry gun. That must hurt.
on July 26,2013 | 07:07PM
Tarball wrote:
Both, Deedy and Elderts acted inappropriately, but Elderts would still be alive . . . . if he hadn't acted like a typical local "moke".
on July 26,2013 | 07:08AM
Slow wrote:
Please list the typical local "moke" behaviors. Behaviors they all show. All the "mokes" you personally know. Oh, you don't know any? Your racism belittles you and brings the discussion down. Kolin Elderts was an individual.
on July 26,2013 | 07:26AM
inverse wrote:
I will give you an example of Moke/bully behavior in a Hawaii fast food chain at 2 in the morning: Anybody who enters in the restaurant is stared at to see if the person or group of person looks/stares back. if the person looks back they makes/bully's will escalate the situation and if thing blow up, like someone getting shot, the later testify 'we was just jokin'. Another example of Moke/bully behavior is on the MARTA train in Atlanta, and will happen if there is an Aloha train to nowhere in Hawaii, the Moke/bully sits in the corner seat of the train car and stares at everyone in the car, looking to see if anyone looks/stares back. At that point most likely will escalate the situation, unlike Hawaii, the Moke/bully/gang member most likely the one carrying a concealed weapon. That is why almost everyone who got on the MARTA train car carried a book or newspaper so they could bury their head in their reading material the whole time they are on the train
on July 26,2013 | 08:25AM
ryan02 wrote:
So STARING is "moke" behavior!? According to previous witnesses, Elderts was the one being stared at, and got upset about it. So which is it? Or, is it that in your world, the person staring is the "moke" only if he's local. But if the recipient of the stare is the one who's local, then HE is the "moke." I get it now. The local guy is always the "moke."
on July 26,2013 | 09:29AM
Fred01 wrote:
The local guy is always a turd!
on July 26,2013 | 10:04AM
dsl wrote:
Fred - you're ignorant!
on July 26,2013 | 11:27AM
bumba wrote:
You'd be happier back on the mainland, and we'd all be better off. One day some "moke" is gonna get a whiff of your attitude and break your jaw, and you'll be crying like the little girl you are.
on July 26,2013 | 11:56AM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Fred, you must not be from Hawaii.
on July 26,2013 | 07:14PM
control wrote:
so what do you call a guy who calls people out as h's?
on July 26,2013 | 12:16PM
hapaguy wrote:
It's unacceptable for sure. I have spent time down south and was called "gook" and other vile things and heard the "n" word used a lot by Caucasians down there. So if shooting someone for using a racist statement was ok to do then there would be a whole lot of dead Caucasians on the mainland....
on July 26,2013 | 12:57PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Let's be serious for a second. All other thoughts aside, everyone knows what Elderts and his buddy were doing. They were harassing people and looking for trouble.
on July 26,2013 | 01:38PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "Let's be serious for a second. All other thoughts aside, everyone knows what Elderts and his buddy were doing. They were harassing people and looking for trouble."

The only person we know of who Elderts 'harassed' was Perrine, who said he didn't feel threatened and completed his order and was waiting peacefully, not too far from Elderts who was also waiting peacefully for his burgers.

The person doing all the confronting, threatening, assaulting, and shooting was Deedy.


on July 26,2013 | 02:06PM
Shh wrote:
oooo I have to agree with that! You forgot his kicking but I guess that is assaulting. Good overview there!
on July 26,2013 | 03:01PM
gobows wrote:
wow...so true
on July 26,2013 | 09:56AM
sailfish1 wrote:
The "local" behavior is well known - that is why Deedy's agent friend warned him of the kind of people he might encounter in Hawaii. Everybody in Hawaii, of course, know about the "local" behavior. I was told about "local" behavior by lots of ex-Hawaii people before I moved over here. Why don't you know - are you "slow"?
on July 26,2013 | 10:42AM
hanalei395 wrote:
sailfish was told by "ex-Hawaii people" ..... that they were shocked when they found out that the "inferior" local people ... are not respectful.. ... to the "superior" people who move here.
on July 26,2013 | 11:18AM
sailfish1 wrote:
Those ex-Hawaii people are people who were born and grew up in Hawaii. Sounds like you have an inferiority complex. That is another trait for "locals" since studies have determined that, in general, mixed race people have that complex and there are a lot of mixed race people here. Elderts and Medeiros are two of them.
on July 26,2013 | 01:18PM
hanalei395 wrote:
"Inferiority complex"? Wow! ...you're an a....... "Studies"? .... You're a triple a...... What a STUPID response. ...(By an a......)
on July 26,2013 | 02:20PM
sailfish1 wrote:
What's the matter? - You can't speak clearly? I have also been accused by a "local" that I am from the mainland because my English is so much better then them.
on July 26,2013 | 06:07PM
hanalei395 wrote:
sailfish ...NO DOUBT, the most STUPID a..h... on this board. And this fool still wants to live here.
on July 26,2013 | 06:52PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
hanalei, ya can't blame sailfish. His descendants had the same thought patterns about their black slaves.
on July 26,2013 | 07:21PM
sailfish1 wrote:
RetiredWorking - Is that all you can do? Picking up on a spelling error is so grammar school.
on July 26,2013 | 08:16PM
Shh wrote:
Well you are added to the mix too now so wouldn't that make you one too?
on July 26,2013 | 03:03PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
sailfish, please correct your grammatical error in your last sentence. It's "better THAN them", not "better then them"..You should've paid attention in English 25. LOL, we're WRITING here, not SPEAKING as in "You can't speak correctly?" Sailfish is a superior "wannabe". FAIL! Retake English grammar, oh superior one. LOL, in all my life, I've never incorrectly used "then" instead of "than". LOL, you have to be intelligent to poke fun of other people. sailfish is a joke. Go back to school. Pay attention this time. Then return and denigrate us.
on July 26,2013 | 07:28PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Wow,salt fish,I'm thinking Navy,maybe? Anyway mix people have that inferior complex. I'm thinking your a pure bred ,one blood type of guy.
on July 26,2013 | 03:17PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Quit thinking - You don't have the faculty. You actually said in a post that you were a "governor". Hahaha! Now, that is a big joke. I said here that "locals" have a propensity for lying. You are an example of that.
on July 26,2013 | 06:10PM
false wrote:
What fantasy book are you reciting? Are you listening to your discussion?
on July 26,2013 | 05:28PM
sailfish1 wrote:
I can see who here are of mixed race. You see studies have also shown that mixed race people have a lower intelligence level.
on July 26,2013 | 06:06PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Oh salt fish, yes I was referring to Cayetano and me going to FHS. But as an outsider, you just don't understand. Lol. You gotta be local to understand.
on July 26,2013 | 07:53PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
sailfish, you must be superior to all locals, yes?
on July 26,2013 | 07:18PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
sailfish, I've noticed that proper English usage is one of your Achilles' heels. I'm shaking your tree, oh superior one. LOL. I bet you never expected it from an inferior local. LOL, payback is so delicious!
on July 27,2013 | 06:23AM
kolohepalu wrote:
Who is whining about the scary locals, salt fish? You have a well-justified inferiority complex. Take your studies and yourself back to where you came from.
on July 27,2013 | 08:09AM
8082062424 wrote:
and yet you still moved here so it can not have been so bad what you heard
on July 26,2013 | 02:12PM
sailfish1 wrote:
I'm not afraid of "locals".
on July 26,2013 | 06:11PM
kolohepalu wrote:
Sure- that's obvious. Keep telling yourself that.
on July 27,2013 | 08:13AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Salfish, you was set up by those ex-Hawaii military. They planted the seed before you every moved here. You came to your conclusion way before landing. Your type in the unsmiling person, not knowing how to react when a local says " Howzit".
on July 26,2013 | 03:14PM
false wrote:
Can't count the number of "fresh off the boat" helped to get started professionally. Have laid out big time for their success so you can stop trash mouth about locals being inferior and not welcoming. Taken more kid professionals under the wings to be successful. You need smoke something smarter.
on July 26,2013 | 05:31PM
sailfish1 wrote:
Can you write better English than that? I never used the word "inferior" regarding "locals" It's you "locals" that keep using that term. Do you know why?
on July 26,2013 | 06:13PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
sailfish, when you criticize people regarding their English usage, you have to be more proficient than they. You're not. Brush up on English grammar, sailfish. You're writing with mediocrity.
on July 27,2013 | 06:16AM
sailfish1 wrote:
I never said anything about ex-Hawaii military. Like I said before, you need to get your facts straight before posting, lying "governor".
on July 26,2013 | 06:15PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
Lol.
on July 26,2013 | 07:55PM
kolohepalu wrote:
It's evident Hawai'i isn't living up to your Magnum PI fantasy- so why don't you become one of the so-called "ex-Hawaii people". Salt fish.
on July 27,2013 | 08:08AM
hanalei395 wrote:
To Tarball, ...... a "typical local moke" is an "inferior" showing no respect to his "superior".
on July 26,2013 | 07:39AM
ryan02 wrote:
So only non-locals get to fight back when they are kicked and someone threatens to shoot them? Locals are just supposed to sit there quietly and let someone kick them all they want, and smile politely when the other person threatens to shoot them? You know what? I totally agree with you!. I know I wouldn't want anyone I kick to fight back. Or anyone feel like shooting to fight back. Really, if the other person is too drunk to get out of the way of my bullets, it's his own fault. I should totally get to kick anyone I want, and if they fight back, they're "mokes" who's life is worthless. Wow, great minds think alike!
on July 26,2013 | 09:33AM
control wrote:
so, why are locals allowed to get racist and call people h's? maybe if they didn't start the whole thing elderts might have been alive? I agree, if they didn't act like mokes and racists one might be alive today. sorry, but if someone pulls out a gun on me I would put my hands out and say "whoa" to try to get the guy to put it down or away and try to get away as far as possible, but the moke instead started fighting more and daring the guy to shoot. one less moke around to cause trouble. sorry, I'm a local and I know the moke mind because I have friends who are like that. I had a friend that was killed over 20 years ago for being like that. the guy was a nice guy but had a temper and was dumb, we just shook our heads and put it down to stupid moke mentality, not smart enough to realize that the gun could go off and he get killed.
on July 26,2013 | 12:15PM
hapaguy wrote:
control I don't see anyone on here defending Elderts right to make racist statements. No one should be shot because they used a racist statement....wouldn't you agree?
on July 26,2013 | 12:59PM
control wrote:
the racist comments started the whole thing, don't you agree? elderts and medeiros egged perrine on with the racist comments, waiting to see if he would take the bait.
on July 26,2013 | 01:18PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
control wrote: "the racist comments started the whole thing, don't you agree? elderts and medeiros egged perrine on with the racist comments, waiting to see if he would take the bait."

And he didn't. If not for Deedy involving himself, Elderts and Medeiros and Perrine all would have forgotten anything was ever said at all.


on July 26,2013 | 01:37PM
false wrote:
Absolutely correct Kalaheo 1. It would have been a happy eating at McD's for everyone. Deedy was wired to create a disaster and he fulfilled the prophesy.
on July 26,2013 | 05:34PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
@false, I doubt it would have been happy eating. Maybe no fights would have broken out but I don't think Perrine appreciates being bullied. Most people aren't going to get in a fist fight over it but I'm sure it ruined his night that some guys were being racist towards him.
on July 27,2013 | 05:14AM
hapaguy wrote:
No I don't agree that Elderts use of the "H" word started the whole thing. Deedy stuck his nose into something that he had no business getting involved in. Perrine testified that at no time did he feel threatened and require any help from Deedy. What crime was being committed that required a Fed Agent to get involved in? I answered your question now can you answer mine? No one should be shot because they used a racist statement....wouldn't you agree?
on July 26,2013 | 01:39PM
control wrote:
elderts pushed gutowski. medeiros said that above. we don't know but deedy could have gotten involved because he was trying to break it all up. as for someone getting shot, I know hotheads that cause problems that get shot so I won't answer your question.
on July 26,2013 | 01:52PM
hapaguy wrote:
control you are taking the testimony out of context again. Elderts pushed Gutowski AFTER Deedy kicked Elderts. If you watch the video you can see that, in Gutowski's defense, he never saw his friend strike the first blow. Gutowski was over getting napkins from the napkin dispenser and had his back turned when Deedy kicked Elderts. THEN Gutowski comes over to apparently help Deedy. So at that point it looks like 2 against 1: Gutowski and Deedy against Elderts. If I was Elderts I would have pushed Gutowski away also. I mean his friend just kicked me and now there's two of them in my face?! Again, all self defense from Elderts at this point....
on July 26,2013 | 02:14PM
Shh wrote:
The comments can't kill you! Bullets can!
on July 26,2013 | 03:07PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
control...one more time. Ha'0le is part of the host language. It was always the name or term used since Cook arrived. The derogatory term is f~€king whatever. F~€king is English.
on July 26,2013 | 03:22PM
false wrote:
@ Kailuaraised, as an "undacova agent" I get the "h" treatment often. My response is either in Hawaiian or "Papakolea raised". Should ask some of the challengers, "When did you arrive?"
on July 27,2013 | 05:58AM
Shh wrote:
Haven't your parents taught you that sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt me? Now Bullets are totally different!! That will hurt you!
on July 26,2013 | 03:06PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
control, then your"nice guy" friend was a moke. Mokes are in every culture, to be sure.
on July 26,2013 | 07:33PM
KeithHaugen wrote:
The sad death of a fellow human being, the trial, etc., could all have been avoided if the State Department showed more concern in hiring and training. If you're going out drinking, partying and bar-hopping, "don't take your gun to town, boy." Six or eight beers is enough to make some young men want to show off and someone got killed.
on July 26,2013 | 07:10AM
inverse wrote:
That is not correct, For most tragedies like this, it takes a COMBINATION of factors; BOTH an intoxicated and/or high Elderts and Deedy, BOTH with personal issues, had to be in the same place and the same time in a McD's in Hawaii at 3 in the morning for this to occur. Without Deedy there would have been no death AND without Elderts there would have been no death as well.
on July 26,2013 | 08:33AM
Usagi336 wrote:
Ok. But if this night ended well, who's to say that in the future Deedy wouldn't go out and drink while packing again. Seems like it wouldn't take much to get him threatening people and reaching for his weapon. I think Deedy is much more dangerous than Kollin ever was.
on July 26,2013 | 09:34AM
8082062424 wrote:
Sorry if there was no Deddy there would not have been any death. he the only one who had a gun that night.
on July 26,2013 | 02:22PM
control wrote:
give it a rest already haugen.
on July 26,2013 | 11:42AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Get real. Elderts would be alive if he didn't have a dislike for people of other races. The whole situation started because he was looking for a fight.
on July 26,2013 | 01:39PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "Get real. Elderts would be alive if he didn't have a dislike for people of other races. The whole situation started because he was looking for a fight."

At the time Elderts was confronted, threatened, assaulted, and then shot dead by Deedy, he wasn't looking a fight, he was looking for a sack of burgers. It was Deedy who had to run around his friend's GF to make it a fight.


on July 26,2013 | 02:03PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Right, cause I'm sure Deedy would have just walked up and shot Elderts if he was being a normal well adjusted person. Not. Elderts was creating trouble and harassing another person. He was being a bully. Deedy interjected and is on trial for it. But some responsibility should lie with Elderts too.
on July 27,2013 | 05:18AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "Elderts was creating trouble and harassing another person. He was being a bully. Deedy interjected and is on trial for it."

I don't think "interjecting" is against the law, nor is it what Deedy is on trial for.

He is on trial for shooting and killing an unarmed man after approaching him, threatening him, kicking him in the chest and then shooting him.


on July 27,2013 | 09:23AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
That's great. But Elderts is at fault too. Answer my question, if Elderts wasn't trying to start stuff with Perrine, would he still be breathing? I'm not saying it's illegal, but Elderts contributed to his death.
on July 28,2013 | 09:43AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "That's great. But Elderts is at fault too. Answer my question, if Elderts wasn't trying to start stuff with Perrine, would he still be breathing? I'm not saying it's illegal, but Elderts contributed to his death."

You know. That's an interesting question. He might still be alive if he hadn't caught Deedy's attention and incurred his wrath. If he'd sat quietly in the corner, Deedy might not have noticed him. However, I don't think it's fair to say that he contributed to his own death any more than if he'd been wearing a silly hat or rude tee-shirt.


on July 29,2013 | 11:33AM
8082062424 wrote:
sure if deedy had not been there no one would have died. he the only one who had a gun
on July 26,2013 | 02:25PM
Shh wrote:
So True! They should of never hired this guy to begin with because he doesn't have the common sense to leave the gun at the hotel when he is sober to know that he is going out to get drunk.
on July 26,2013 | 03:09PM
RetiredWorking wrote:
Keith, agree. Sometimes alcohol isn't involved. Other times that and drugs are involved. I'm pretty sure "Don't take your gun out" was covered in training. Because of Deedy, it'll be SOP to discuss it.
on July 26,2013 | 07:38PM
soundofreason wrote:
Everybody keeps forgetting one thing. Elderts, after knocking Deedy to the floor, went to the side door to get involved in another fight. THEN.....THEN....he came BACK to have ANOTHER encounter with Deedy. NEW altercation, when he could have left but didn't. NEW altercation where Elderts was the aggressor.
on July 26,2013 | 07:17AM
ryan02 wrote:
It wasn't a "new" altercation - Deedy was getting up to go at him again. He already attacked Elderts first, it's perfectly reasonable to think he'd do it again.
on July 26,2013 | 07:37AM
Mypualani wrote:
I think so, stands to reason really.
on July 26,2013 | 08:59AM
gobows wrote:
BUT, once the gun is pulled out....Elderts should've backed off, but, yes....then he's fighting for his life against someone that said he was going to shoot him in his face, what else is he going to do, but fight......
on July 26,2013 | 09:55AM
control wrote:
that may be a plus for the defense, that elderts kept on the attack and so was shot because of it. this is not a clear case, IMHO not guilt or innocense but basically how good your lawyer is. we'll have to see when the defense gets up.
on July 26,2013 | 12:08PM
hapaguy wrote:
so in your world when a guy threatens to "shoot you in the face" which by the way is against the law in Hawaii, it's a Class C Felony called "Terroristic Threatening", and then the guy pulls the gun on you at close range your just supposed to just stand there and get shot? ELDERTS WAS DEFENDING HIMSELF get it straight....
on July 26,2013 | 01:03PM
control wrote:
I did not say that deedy will get off, like we all said there are a number of charges filed. the plus for the defense is that it could be used to thwart a murder 2 case. you are just giving your opinion hearing only one side, hard to get it straight when all the facts haven't been presented yet. you already convicted deedy.
on July 26,2013 | 01:17PM
hapaguy wrote:
control what I take issue with is you and the other Deedy supporters on here that keep twisting what's been testified to and what can bee seen on the video. You keep insisting that Elderts "was on the attack" but all the evidence so far shows that Elderts was defending himself.
on July 26,2013 | 01:45PM
control wrote:
hapa, what I take issue is that you and others keep on convicting deedy without hearing all the testimony. why don't we just let the trial go on, as we hear from others we can then decide.
on July 26,2013 | 02:06PM
hapaguy wrote:
control I will make you a deal: I will stop posting on here my opinions about Deedy if you and the other Deedy supporters stop calling all the HPD personnel and Prosecution witnesses liars, and twisting the testimony that is being presented. Deal?
on July 26,2013 | 02:33PM
gobows wrote:
IF the prosecution can make the jury believe that Elderts was in fact DEFENDING himself by going after and grabbing the gun from Deedy, then.....auwe!...Deedy is toast!
on July 26,2013 | 03:10PM
false wrote:
Agree, Elderts was defending himself and fighting for his life until the blood ran out.
on July 26,2013 | 05:38PM
false wrote:
The gun was out and fired on Elderts. He didn't have a chance to run. He fought on because his reptilian brain wouldn't give in.
on July 26,2013 | 05:37PM
Fred01 wrote:
Elderts received justice.
on July 26,2013 | 10:05AM
dsl wrote:
notice nobody responds to ignorance? Feeling left out? Maybe because you're ignorant!
on July 26,2013 | 11:26AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Be gone, hostile troll!
on July 26,2013 | 01:38PM
false wrote:
Fred01, your day will come. What you say is what you are.
on July 27,2013 | 06:00AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
Agreed. You can clearly see in the video that Deedy is trying to get him to back off and has his hand on his weapon. Elderts goes on the offensive and tries to grab the gun. He tackles and mounts Deedy, starts hitting him and gets shot.
on July 26,2013 | 01:41PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "Agreed. You can clearly see in the video that Deedy is trying to get him to back off and has his hand on his weapon. Elderts goes on the offensive and tries to grab the gun. He tackles and mounts Deedy, starts hitting him and gets shot."

You reference the video. Can you point to where on the video you see Elderts trying to grab the gun?

If you were in a bar and possibly drunk stranger came up to you because he took offense at something you said to someone else, asked you if you wanted to get shot and then delivered a potentially life threatening kick to your chest, would you feel that your life was in danger? Would you take the gun out that you claim to carry everywhere and shoot them? Why or why not?


on July 26,2013 | 02:11PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I would probably walk out and go somewhere else. That's my serious answer. I don't want or need to fight. I don't need to get involved with a stranger to prove anything.
on July 27,2013 | 05:23AM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
I'd like to think that I would have done the same thing, but alcohol clouds decision making.
on July 27,2013 | 07:43AM
Mypualani wrote:
Yes alcohol can mess anybody up big time.
on July 28,2013 | 04:32AM
hapaguy wrote:
Kraised you've stated your theory many times on here. It's a theory that has not been backed up by any evidence or testimony as of yet. Please give us a break until someone from the defense testifies to what you are saying....
on July 26,2013 | 02:16PM
gobows wrote:
the LACK of identifying himself as a state agent is KEY. without that proclamation, Deedy is just another dude mouthing off about shooting someone and pulling a gun. If they make it that Elderts was acting as if he was in DANGER, its FIGHT or FLIGHT at that point. Elderts decided to FIGHT, and it cost him dearly.
on July 26,2013 | 03:15PM
hapaguy wrote:
gobows you keep making the statement that Elderts should have just backed down after the gun came out. If some man kept threatening you that he was going to shoot you in the face, then later during an altercation with that man standing at point blank range in front of you, he pulls his gun on you, what you gonna do? gobows you going to just stand there and let him shoot you? are you going to turn and try to run away and possibly get shot in the back? or are you going to try to defend yourself?.....
on July 26,2013 | 03:28PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
It's been testified that Elderts was on top of Deedy and punching him. It was also filed by the PROSECUTOR that the first shot missed so that reasons that he had to have been shot while on top of Deedy. I don't think they have enough for a murder 2 charge when there is testimony the guy was on top of him and punching him when he fired.
on July 27,2013 | 05:21AM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
"Then some CRAZYNESS".
on July 27,2013 | 12:07PM
Anonymous wrote:
Alcohol has a way of making foolish young men very brave. Armed with a gun, it might even make a federal security guard think he is a law enforcement officer.
on July 26,2013 | 07:19AM
ryan02 wrote:
Does it really matter if he identified himself or not? Since when are law enforcement officers allowed to go out drinking while carrying a gun, then kick someone out of anger, then when the victim fights back, shoot the victim dead and claim self-defense. It seems a law enforcement office would have even LESS right to do all that than a regular person who doesn't know any better. Deedy knew better, so it's even more intentional, more of a crime. Maybe Zimmerman was stupid and had no formal training, and didn't know what he was doing. But Deedy KNEW he what he was doing, it was totally intentional.
on July 26,2013 | 07:33AM
palolo2001 wrote:
Very true.
on July 26,2013 | 07:56AM
gobows wrote:
That's why its a murder 2 charge. plus he told Elderts he was going to shoot him in his face.
on July 26,2013 | 09:52AM
control wrote:
wanna bet he gets off of murder 2? elderts had a hand in his death. elderts was on deedy, punching him when shot, like zimm deedy can use the self defense thing, he felt his life was in danger and so protected himself. deedy was getting the cr out of him so used the gun. you can comment about drunk or law enforcement training and rights, if deedy felt his life was in danger he could shoot to protect himself. as for law enforcement officer, are you kidding? In hawaii we have one caught for DUI, yet the arresting officer is giving excuses for not showing up, probably to allow the officer to get off with a DUI record. while police should have higher standards they are not being held to higher standards which is why unless the cop kills someone he seems to get off.
on July 26,2013 | 12:05PM
hapaguy wrote:
control I keep seeing you post comments that are not backed up by testimony. You say that "...elderts was on deedy, punching him when shot..." but the testimony so far does not back up your claim. To the contrary, the testimony so far states that Deedy shot first THEN they struggled. A clear cut case of ELDERTS DEFENDING HIMSELF. Also, the difference between this trial and the Zimmerman trial was Zimmerman claimed Martin struck first so Zimmerman claimed he was defending himself. In THIS trial no one disputes that Deedy struck first. I may be wrong but I don't believe that you can strike someone first then later shoot and kill that person then claim self defense.....
on July 26,2013 | 12:41PM
control wrote:
oh, finally hapaguy shows up. we are only hearing one person sho said that elderts got shot with the first shot. why then did the prosecutors initially claim that the first shot missed? you keep giving us the "elderts" defending himself case but not many here believe that he was injured with the first shot first. Like I said in other posts, we will have to hear everyone's statements before deciding if what you are saying is true or even possible.
on July 26,2013 | 12:55PM
hapaguy wrote:
We have had two witnesses now, Bryd and Salzbrenner, that testified that DEEDY SHOT FIRST AND THEN THEY STRUGGLED.
on July 26,2013 | 01:06PM
control wrote:
so why did the prosecutor first say that the first shot missed? maybe because one witness said so? like I said, we will have to hear from everyone, just because 2 said something doesn't make it so if there are other that say otherwise.
on July 26,2013 | 01:14PM
hapaguy wrote:
control you are missing the point. The point to that testimony is that if Deedy shot first and then they struggled he (Deedy) could not be defending himself as the defense claims. Again, you can't be the assailant (nobody, not even the defense disputes that Deedy threw the first blow) and then later when the victim starts to defend himself, pull out a gun and shoot and kill him and claim self defense.
on July 26,2013 | 01:48PM
control wrote:
I know what you are saying, what I am saying is that there are conflicting stories by the prosecutor which caused him to change his point of attack, that elderts was shot first instead of his first assertion that the first shot missed. Like you said, this makes a big difference in the case, from self defense to possibly murder or manslaughter. Like I said, I want to hear everybody before we all rush to judgement. if other witnesses don't confirm the first shot was a kill shot then the defense can go with the "defending himself" excuse for killing elderts.
on July 26,2013 | 02:04PM
hapaguy wrote:
YOU ARE STILL MISSING THE POINT. It does not matter if it was the first shot that hit Elderts or the last one. WHAT MATTERS IS WHEN DEEDY STARTED SHOOTING. That's the point of Byrd's and Salzbrenner's testimony. The defense claims Deedy did not shoot until Elderts grabbed the gun: the shots were during the struggle so it was self defense. The prosecution is saying he shot BEFORE Elderts grabbed the gun so not self defense but murder 2.
on July 26,2013 | 02:38PM
ryan02 wrote:
I don't know if the first shot missed or hit Elderts. Either way, Elderts had nothing to lose by trying to take the gun away, because Deedy was going to kill him no matter what. I would try to take the gun away too, even if the first shot missed - because the second or third shot might not miss.
on July 26,2013 | 01:11PM
control wrote:
would you challenge a guy with a gun to shoot you? sorry but my life is more important than to get shot at a mcd's over some thing dumb.
on July 26,2013 | 01:28PM
Kailuaraised wrote:
If you watch the video, the gun doesn't go off until they are wrestling. Deedy probably fired it into the air. We'll see when ballistics gets presented.
on July 26,2013 | 01:43PM
hapaguy wrote:
Just because someone dares you to shoot does not give the shooter the right to. Look - It's so obvious that Elderts was trying to call Deedy's bluff. No one wants to get shot! Unfortunately for Elderts he called Deedy's bluff but Deedy wasn't bluffing.
on July 26,2013 | 01:52PM
Kalaheo1 wrote:
Kailuaraised wrote: "If you watch the video, the gun doesn't go off until they are wrestling. Deedy probably fired it into the air. We'll see when ballistics gets presented."

How are you claiming to be able tell from the video when the gun goes off the first time?


on July 26,2013 | 02:13PM
gobows wrote:
PLUS Zimmerman never told Martin, I gonna shoot you in the face.
on July 26,2013 | 03:18PM
Mypualani wrote:
You are not wrong Hapaguy. I have posted the Hawaii revised statues, if Deedy is claiming self defense, from evidence and testimony so far, he has not risen to that level, because in the statues You cannot be the aggressor, and then claim self defense. If you kill someone. Like agent Deedy did. That is why Judge Ahn didn't go along with releasing the video evidence to,the public. As for forcing Deedy to take a BAC test this goes against The agents 5 th amendment rights, it would have been thrown out any ways. That test falls under the right to not incriminate one self.
on July 28,2013 | 04:41AM
MakikiView wrote:
I always ask myself, "What would Winston Zeddemore do?" When someone asks you if you want to get shot, you say NO.
on July 26,2013 | 07:57AM
Mypualani wrote:
I would say no "too" but when under the influence I would be the first to admit, I don't know what I would say.
on July 26,2013 | 09:02AM
Shh wrote:
I think I would of said, "Yeah right, let me see the gun?" after he shows the gun then I would say, NO!
on July 26,2013 | 03:14PM
false wrote:
Laugh ridiculously. That would have made Deedy really mad because he would have been humilited. Did Elderts laugh at him?
on July 26,2013 | 05:43PM
ryan02 wrote:
Yeah, it's the victim's own fault. He should know better than to allow someone to shoot him. I know I wouldn't want to be charged with a crime every time my victim is too drunk to get out of the way of my bullets.
on July 26,2013 | 09:20AM
control wrote:
maybe you would be smarter to back off when you see a gun? seriously, if you saw someone with a gun wouldn't you back off? your life isn't worth squat if you die, why continue to be close to a guy with a gun?
on July 26,2013 | 12:33PM
hapaguy wrote:
Elderts really had not time to back off. At that close range if Elderts turned to run he would have been shot in the back. Don't forget, Deedy kept threatening to shoot Elderts so it's only reasonable that when the gun came out Elderts believed Deedy would do it. So again, at that close range you fight to save your life....
on July 26,2013 | 12:44PM
control wrote:
yeah, and daring the guy with the gun to shoot? remember, elderts is the one daring deedy to shoot too. if you saw a guy with a gun, would you keep daring the guy to shoot or start backing away from the gun? everyone knows that any altercation with someone with a gun could cause injury, guess that's the local mentality (I am a local but don't think like that) to move forward than move back?
on July 26,2013 | 01:08PM
hapaguy wrote:
it appears to me that he was calling Deedy's bluff but it wasn't a bluff, wouldn't you agree?
on July 26,2013 | 01:17PM
control wrote:
which is why a number of locals get shot, stabbed, etc. I had a friend like elderts. he was a hothead too. he got shot and killed over 20 years ago. we all knew him and shook our heads when it happenned. I see the same thing with elderts but I don't blame only the other guy for shooting, they were both at fault. as with elderts, too bad that someone died.
on July 26,2013 | 01:26PM
hapaguy wrote:
control just because someone dares you to do something does not mean you have the right to do it!
on July 26,2013 | 02:18PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
control, from Elderts position, he could have never seen a gun even after Deedy threatened to shoot him. Deedy was zeroing in on Elderts in a classic shooter stance, throughout the incident. Deedy used a frontal kick first, because he wanted his hands free to draw and fire.
on July 26,2013 | 04:52PM
ryan02 wrote:
How is Eldert's failing to run away an excuse for murder? Is it smarter to run away from a violent criminal? Maybe. But if I don't run away, the guy who shoots me dead is still a criminal. This is like blaming a rape victim for not being smarter in the first place to avoid the rape.
on July 26,2013 | 01:13PM
DA_HANDSOME_CHINAMAN wrote:
I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU GUYS SAY ABOUT ELDERTS. Elderts is a good guy, a friendly person that made the party alive. He only fought when provoked....WOULDN'T YOU. I wish he was alive today. I don't wish Deedy was dead, but he will receive what he deserves. Poor examply of an Agent, DRUNK AND DISORDERLY. The security camera tells it all. Deedy wasn't afraid for his life because he had a gun. How many people do you knot that carry a gun when they go out to "drink". Why do you need protection and from who? If I was worried about getting beat up or killed, I would just stay home....wouldn't you?
on July 26,2013 | 08:00AM
HAJAA1 wrote:
So blind, you.
on July 26,2013 | 08:23AM
Mypualani wrote:
That is what I do now , stay home to tired and old to get out. Also I cannot take the chance of loosing everything that I have worked so dam hard for over a few drinks. So it's home for me...
on July 26,2013 | 09:05AM
Shh wrote:
Better just to drink at home now days
on July 26,2013 | 03:16PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
You knew him personally?
on July 26,2013 | 09:30AM
Peacenik wrote:
Did you know him personally or are you going by what his 2 friends said or parents said? Deedy made bad choices, but did he commit murder? Why did Perrine remember the H word? How was it used? Why did Medeiros attack Gutkowski who seemed to have not done or said anything? Why did Medeiros need to use profanity, which would only serve to fuel the tense atmosphere? What was the intent of eldert's joking. Seems pretty senseless to say what he did.
on July 26,2013 | 10:24AM
control wrote:
yeah, good guys always get arrested for disorderly conduct, have fake id's to get him into bars when he was underage, get arrested for DUI's. why after someone dies do these bugs come out in the open to say what a great guy he was. maybe if he wasn't such a hothead he might be alive today too? it takes two to tango, while deedy wasn't properly trained, reacted stupidly, etc. elderts also reacted stupidly, first by starting the whole incident with h remarks. guess you must be a p like elderts with your stay home attitude, guess guys like you are the only ones that should be out since you can beat up others. so what, you going come look for me to beat up?
on July 26,2013 | 11:46AM
hapaguy wrote:
Elderts has had some scrapes with the law, and what young man hasn't done a few things that might be a little "shady" but let's not try to make like Elderts was some "menace to society" or something. Like I've said before, it's not like Elderts was a child molester, or rapist, or mugger, or started a fight with someone then later when he was getting whooped decided to pull a gun out and shoot an unarmed man.....
on July 26,2013 | 01:10PM
control wrote:
no, he was a hot head as the defense will prove. why did his dad say to stay out of trouble before he went out? Because he knew that his son was a hot head that could cause incidents.
on July 26,2013 | 01:23PM
hapaguy wrote:
OK. I will play your game. Let's just say for the sake of argument that Elderts was a hothead. If he was a hothead don't you think he would have punched out Deedy first? Or if Elderts was a hothead, after Deedy kicked him, wouldn't a hothead have gone all out fists flying after Deedy threw that first kick? After Elderts dispatched Deedy to the ground he turns to help Medeiros; wouldn't a hothead continue to pound on Deedy while Deedy is flat on his back in a helpless position?
on July 26,2013 | 02:03PM
8082062424 wrote:
Wrong local parents tend to say that. my mom does tell me to be good and stay out of trouble and ive never been arrested for disorderly or DUI. The trouble they mean can come in many forms not just being a hot head.
on July 26,2013 | 02:38PM
Mypualani wrote:
I tell my sons this when ever they go out, it's not because they are trouble makers, I say this because I know what's out there, hot heads trouble makers drunks and worse. And I always say I love you.
on July 28,2013 | 04:49AM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
IF he was as bad as Pada and Acasia, I wouldn't have any sympathy for him. I ain't saying that he deserved to die, but am asserting that he did in someway contribute to the situation. This ain't a black-and-white case. If it were, one party would be guilty and the other would be innocent. Neither Deedy or Elderts were innocent.
on July 26,2013 | 04:56PM
8082062424 wrote:
A lot of good people have been arrested for disorderly conduct, Or even DUI. are you saying every person who been rested for this is a bad person or a criminal ? sorry folks from all walks of life and just about every profession have made mistakes even our police firemen doctors etc. every one make mistakes.One would like to think some one our tax dollars pay for is held to a higher standard,
on July 26,2013 | 02:35PM
Ldub20_Owl316 wrote:
If anything, Elderts lacked the ability to control himself. He may have been a fun-loving guy and good person, but sometimes that crosses the line. Even some good people that mean no harm can lack self-control and find themselves in fights that they contribute to.
on July 26,2013 | 04:58PM
Mypualani wrote:
When I was younger I got arrested for disorderly conduct, 9 counts attempted murder at one point. I said arrested! Remember that, then I earned my associates and bachelors in criminal justice, and now I work with youth at risk, all my terrible choices I made in life, are now blessings because when I do my job I know what I am talking about and I can see where the youth gets the attitude, oh not me. Yes you!
on July 28,2013 | 04:55AM
livinginhawaii wrote:
Just curious - has Medeiros, the "key prosecution witness", been found to be clear of any drugs in his system? Since Elderts was proven to be a chronic there stands a high probability that those around him are chronics as well. It is my understanding that the judicial system carries little weight in the testimony of chronics, felons, etc.
on July 26,2013 | 08:06AM
WooWoo wrote:
Since Medeiros is technically nothing more than a witness, the police had no right to test him. But the defense can cross-examine and ask him if he smoked marijuana or snorted cocaine that night. Or, they can NOT ask him and let the jurors make the same inference that you did... that smoking joints and doing lines is often a group activity.
on July 26,2013 | 09:22AM
Kailuaraised wrote:
I'm sure Harts did. Problem is that the SA won't post it.
on July 26,2013 | 01:46PM
NanakuliBoss wrote:
KR, read the article. Defense cross examine on Monday. Meaning Harts will with Futa objecting.
on July 26,2013 | 04:58PM