‘Look at him. He won’t survive it’: Brock Turner’s mom begs judge
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In this June 2 photo, Brock Turner, 20, right, made his way into the Santa Clara Superior Courthouse in Palo Alto, Calif.
The mother of former Stanford University swimmer Brock Turner begged the judge not to sentence him to jail for sexual assault, saying he’d never survive, according to court documents released last week.
In a letter to Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky, Carleen Turner begged the jurist to spare her son from imprisonment because she feared what could happen to him.
“I beg of you, please don’t send him to jail/prison,” she wrote. “Look at him. He won’t survive it. He will be damaged forever and I fear he would be a major target. Stanford boy, college kid, college-athlete — all the publicity … this would be a death sentence for him.”
His sister, Caroline Turner, asked Persky to consider counseling, community service and probation instead of jail and “making him a burden of the state.”
“Please give him the chance to use his time to educate and enact change, instead of serving time in jail,” she wrote in a letter to Persky.
Brock Turner is serving a six-month sentence in protective custody in a Santa Clara County jail. He will likely serve half of his sentence based on felony sentencing guidelines in California.
Persky’s sentencing of Turner has triggered widespread outrage, with critics calling the punishment far too lenient.
When Turner was convicted by a jury in March, he faced a maximum sentence of 14 years in prison. Prosecutors asked the judge to sentence him to a six-year prison term for the three felony counts he was found guilty of: Assault with the intent to commit rape of an unconscious person; sexual penetration of an unconscious person; and sexual penetration of an intoxicated person.
Later, his chief probation officer, Monica Lassettre, recommended a sentence of county jail, three years of probation and sex offender treatment, according to a probation report.
In the weeks following Turner’s sentencing, nearly a million people have signed online petitions calling on the California Commission for Judicial Performance to remove Persky.
Persky, who was appointed to the bench by California Gov. Gray Davis in 2003, is up for re-election in November.
So far, no one has submitted paperwork to challenge Perksy or recall him, according to Anita Torres, spokeswoman for the Santa Clara County registrar of voters.
The woman who was sexually assaulted by Turner read a 12-page letter in open court, calling the lack of a state prison sentence “a soft time-out, a mockery of the seriousness of the assaults.”
More than 250 students signed a letter submitted to Persky before Turner’s sentencing, asking that he be held accountable for his actions.
In a letter to Persky, founding members of the Stanford Association of Students for Sexual Assault Prevention said a light sentence would cause victims to lose trust in the legal system and send the wrong message, leaving widespread damage on college campuses everywhere.
At Sunday’s commencement ceremony, several Stanford students waved signs in support of victims of sexual assault and called on university officials to publicly release names of students who were found responsible for sexual assault.
In a statement released last week, Stanford said $2.7 million of the university’s budget next year is earmarked for programs to combat sexual violence.
“Prevention, through education and training, is at the heart of Stanford’s efforts to achieve a campus culture free of sexual violence,” the university said.
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©2016 Los Angeles Times
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Oh, Boo Hoo!! This family just doesn’t get it…….if anything, I wish he doesn’t survive but thanks to the judge, he practically gets off scot-free with that lenient sentence and yet, this mom and pop really show no remorse and don’t get how much suffering the victim will endure for the rest of her life ….her son, well, who the hell cares about that scum of the earth…….
She would be asking for the maximum sentence if it was her daughter that was the victim. It’s already an embarrassment for the Turner’s family to have their son labeled as a sex offender and for the crime he’s committed and she’s asking to spare her son from imprisonment? Com-on lady, get real and get your head examine.
You play, you pay Period!
True she would. He’s going to be damaged for the rest of his life? What a bout the victim? The kid needs more jail time, period!
Another young rich kid using family wealth to evade punishment. Betcha they thought of using that rich kid ailment affluenza to get him off, but it had already been used. What excuses for humanity, the criminal, his parents, and the judge. Hope Brock gets some loving when he’s in prison. Lots of loving.
The sentencing in this case is an example of what people mean when they say “white privilege”.
Meant for Thos, not you Danno…you are entirely on point.
Boola boola, boola boola
Boola boola, boola boola
When we rough house poor old hahvahd
They will holler, “Boola boo”
Oh Yale, Eli Yale! Oh Yale, Eli Yale!
Oh Yale, Eli Yale! Oh Yale, Eli Yale!
So then a professor at a member of the poison ivy league. Suspicions confirmed.
That explains it – – the desire to intimidate others by trotting out credentials and trying to change the subject.
My my my.
How typical of the breed.
And defender of a violent convicted rapist…I am assuming none of your neighbors ask you to babysit, nor can you provide references of any anyone you dated?
Uh, um, isn’t spelled KNAVE ???
wao, no, “isn’t” does not spell “knave”…
I thought “kanve” to be rather charming.
Especially coming from a …. Wait for it …. ta da da da da da …. YALE perfesser.
Wait for it, defender of a violent sexual predator and opportunist. The one and only selfmade misogynist and revisionist…..how very endearing. You know the old saw– birds of feather, well, you know the rest….
That’s the attitude of the entitled.
This kid’s parents are ENABLERS! He should have considered the consequences of his actions. Throw him to the Sodomites! As they say, Turnabout is fair play!
Justice and Vengeance are not the same thing.
It’s rare we agree, but today we do. Aloha.
Mahalo.
Ditto – rarely agree, but today I do.
Thanks to you as well.
If he gets sodomized in jail, is that not justice?
And if he gets killed in jail?
Getting killed in jail does not equate a “death sentence.” He won’t be injected with lethal drugs or put in an electric chair. He’ll be placed behind bars with others who stole, assaulted, raped, and murdered so yeah, it’s not a nice place. Perhaps he should’ve considered that before raping the girl. You know what will make him more of a target in jail than being a rich white boy? Being a sexual predator. You think inmates don’t have daughters, mothers, sisters?
So, what thos?? I don’t see you taking up the case of the tens of thousand of other inmates who faces the same perils???!
The question was posed: And if he gets killed in jail? .
To which boolakanaka responded: So, what thos??
How utterly revealing!
And how sad to think that Yale has suffered such a decline in morality and academic excellence as to have elevated this sort of merciless, soul less pedant to be one of its professors.
The defender of a convicted rapist. Your misogyny is poignant and pronounced…..
It’s been revealing to follow this string of comments. I, like I suspect a lot of us, was familiar only with headlines, and, aside from reading the very eloquent letter from this young lady, had no real understanding of the particulars. So,”https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Turner”, provided me with some more detail. First, the charges did not include rape. The victim remembers nothing. Period. Turner confessed, but his story, to me, seems fabricated to fit the circumstances, and is contradicted somewhat by the witnesses. The “prior incident” would hold much more water, again, to me, had it been reported before this latest one, but doesn’t lessen the significance of it’s validity in court at all. Regardless, Turner is guilty of a despicable violation, and has been found guilty as charged. The judge seems to have taken criminal history, damage to the victim, and defendant remorse into consideration when passing sentence. Aside from all the comments, whether supporting leniency or not, or expressing concern for potential assaults during incarceration or actively encouraging them, I’d be interested in hearing what sentence you would have imposed, and if you’re in agreement with the recall move against this judge.
I wanted to clarify that my question regarding sentencing and recall was directed at boolakanaka..
hawaiikone says: It’s been revealing to follow this string of comments…. First, the charges did not include rape. The victim remembers nothing. Period.
BINGO!
That I respectfully suggest is probative and has direct bearing on these proceedings.
The entire public domain kerfuffle was ignited ex post facto, the result of what the doctor told the victim of which she herself had no memory having elected to incapacitate herself with an excessive amount of alcohol.
This is in no way exculpatory as regards the alleged perpetrator, but does introduce the element of doubt as to what actually took place since he too has no memory of the event.
It’s like the Texas family who enabled their son and he killed 4 people, the”affulenza” case. Trite but true – Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. Judges are being just too lenient and these kids get away with it!
Unbelievable!!!!
As President Obama noted in his previous State of the Union speech, the Supreme Court has been bought off by the billionaires of the US of A. Once the Supreme Court allowed UNLIMITED AND ANONYMOUS contributions to Super PACs, they laid the seeds to purchase influence in the BEST judicial system in the world !!
Billionaires the like of socialist George Soros.
Name ONE time Soros bought off the Court! You just made that up. More like billionaires like the Waltons and Koch Brothers
You ARE correct Karen. The Koch brothers, along with MANY Hedge Fund Managers are turning the US into an oligarchy !! Sad day for our Founding Fathers, who formed this country to get away from exactly what the US of A is turning into !!
How do you say Queen Hillary ??
And that path was made by the R leaning US Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United…..give them a big congrats.
Don’t recall ANY president saying Court Court has been bought off by billionaires and I doubt ANY president will ever say that. Yes, many have said that there is undue unbridled influence as a result of “Corporations are people” decision but that’s a far cry from insinuating that the Supreme Court has been bought out. If that was to be true, this country has no future.
In the words of the great philosopher Baretta (Robert Blake), “Don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time.”
Yep, he made the choice, and now he will pay for it. He’s lucky he didn’t get the book thrown at him like other rapists have gotten.
Didn’t Robert Blake kill his (ex?)wife and try to get away with it?
He got away with it, just like O.J. Simpson and Casey Anthony.
So he gets raped by every inmate.
And after that will likely be found hanging dead in his cell – – blandly described by officials as “suicide”
He is the long sought ‘great white defendant’ – – deemed guilty of having enjoyed “white privilege” – – the resident sharks are eager to swarm in a feeding frenzy of rapture.
And the verdict of our “news” media will be: he deserved it.
The height of white privilege and entitlement–period. This is not anecdotal, statistically, data from DOJ, show that white defendants will get considerably less time than other men of color, in cases with equal circumstances (prions and extenuating circumstances). Fact is, had the person just across the way from gritty East Palo Alto, mostly composed of a Black and Poly population, he would have no doubt been maxed out on the sentencing. So, since when did being WASP and a Stanford undergrad, act as a delineated mitigating factor in sentencing…????
Two questions:
In your opinion does Turner deserve a death penalty?
Have you read of Dinesh D’Souza’s recent experience in the lock up (“Stealing America”) and what he learned there?
And of course it does NOT deserve a death penalty. That s just childish….
Do you honestly believe his life in jail will not be at risk?
At the risk of repeating, you would find D’Souza’s account of what happens in lock up most informative.
Many many people are at risk while incarceration, including drug dealers, priests pedophiles, wife abusers …etc. The specific features of each CONVICTED defendant are NOT and not part of the criteria for sentencing guidelines. As has been eloquently stated by the Stanford Law professor, leading the judge recall efforts, being white, educated and an elite athlete are NOT mitigating factors for sentencing……
And yet your cowardly simp intellect still fails to address, head-on, the data that is presented to you. Further, more curious while you take a polemic jab at academia, the one source you use to defend yourself is a Dartmouth educated former professor and college President, albeit short lived, as he was also a convicted felon, liar and adulterous hypocrite….rather curious.
Thos, why don’t you form a lucid and cogent response to this:
Direct Racial Discrimination
Key findings:
There is evidence of direct racial discrimination (against minority defendants in sentencing outcomes);
Evidence of direct discrimination at the federal level is more prominent than at the state level;
Blacks are more likely to be disadvantaged in terms of sentence length at the federal level, whereas Latinos are more likely to be disadvantaged in terms of the decision to incarcerate;
At the state level, both Latinos and blacks are far more likely to be disadvantaged in the decision to incarcerate or not, as opposed to the decision regarding sentence length.
Interaction of race/ethnicity with other offender characteristics
Key findings:
Young black and Latino males tend to be sentenced more severely than comparably-situated white males;
Unemployed black males tend to be sentenced more severely than comparably-situated white males.
Interaction and indirect effects of race/ethnicity and process-related factors
Key findings:
Blacks pay a higher “trial penalty” than comparably-situated whites;
Whites receive a larger reduction in sentence time than blacks and Latinos for providing “substantial assistance” to the prosecution;
Blacks and Latinos with a more serious criminal record tend to be sentenced more severely than comparably-situated whites;
Blacks are more likely to be jailed pending trial, and therefore tend to receive harsher sentences;
Whites are more likely to hire a private attorney than Latinos or blacks, and therefore receive a less severe sentence.
Interaction of race of the offender with race of the victim
Key findings:
Black defendants who victimize whites tend to receive more severe sentences than both blacks who victimize other blacks (especially acquaintances), and whites who victimize whites.
Interaction of race/ethnicity and type of crime
Key findings:
Latinos and blacks tend to be sentenced more harshly than whites for lower-level crimes such as drug crimes and property crimes;
However, Latinos and blacks convicted of high-level drug offenses also tend to be more harshly sentenced than similarly-situated whites.
Capital punishment
Key findings:
In the vast majority of cases, the race of the victim tends to have an effect on the sentence outcome, with white victim cases more often resulting in death sentences;
However, in some jurisdictions, notably in the federal system, the race of the defendant also affects sentencing outcomes, with minority defendants more likely to receive a death sentence than white defendants.
Would you please provide the source of these findings, Boola?
In advance of learning the source, it has been well established (and I think you will agree) that African American males commit crime far in excess of their statistical proportion of the population. This accounts for them being locked up far in excess of their statistical proportion of the population. If there are, as you say, stricter sentences imposed BECAUSE of racial considerations, one wonders if judges, like police, are sometimes influenced by their past experiences.
There’s no doubt,, if he were a person of color, he would be history. Throw him to the lions.
Thos, if you took the time to read the findings, in lieu of pillock remarks, you would find these are DOJ data, and moreover, take into account, SIMILAR situated individuals, eg same priors or lack thereof record. Finally, Souza is operating from a incredibly conscripted politically motivated posture, and I am dubious of self proclaimed reborn Christian who likes to play semantics on what adultery is–
Finally, we are talking sentencing, And this is an incredibly delineated area supported by tons of data…see:http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fsd0512.pdf
Thanks for the source reference.
Souza is operating from a incredibly conscripted politically motivated posture, and I am dubious of self proclaimed reborn Christian who likes to play semantics on what adultery is–
Then is it accurate to conclude from what you have written that you are condemning D’Souza’s book without the inconvenience of having to actually read it?
And let me ask for a second time: Do you believe Turner deserves a death penalty?
Thos, I have read it. I’m a former professor at a certain school in New Haven, CT. It is wonderful that you take the additional putative assumption I had not taken the time to read the aforementioned compendium that is equal parts diatribe, finger-pointing, polemic soup of almost incoherent accusations and hypocritical sarcasm.
You certainly could have selected a more objective and well-rounded publication. But perhaps, you are one of those individuals that practice intellectual sloth, i.e., you only read or believe in writings that support your preconceived notions and leanings–that sir, is called ideology.
Thos, I think we are all interested in your comments related to the DOJ statistics that boolakana cited to.
boolakanaka says: I have read it. I’m a former professor. … equal parts diatribe, finger-pointing, polemic soup of almost incoherent accusations and hypocritical sarcasm.
Your professorial credentials are not the issue nor are they particularly relevant except by way of suggesting you may share the same venomous political bias of so many of your colleagues in the ivory tower bubble you all inhabit.
Let’s be specific: can you name one thing that D’Souza reported his fellow convicts told him that you know NOT to be true?
Also, curiosity being an element of my being, I am compelled to ask: when you first read of the all WHITE Duke lacrosse team members accused of rape by DA Nifong a decade ago, did you – – like so many of your fellow professors – – instantly ASSUME they were guilty because of the “white privilege” you so obviously loathe?
BTW do you recall what happened to Nifong as the result of his efforts to persecute instead of prosecute, by conducting a “news” media trial of public opinion he tried so hard to mold.
I was not there, nor did I see a transcript of all things said to him, and more importantly, I have no knowledge of the context and sequential history in which these things were said….sir, that is known in the court off law as hearsay.
Stop shucking and jiving, I have provided you with binary data and yet you still wiggle without directly addressing the rather clear points conveyed–so very telling.
advertiser1 says: Thos, I think we are all interested in your comments related to the DOJ statistics that boolakana cited to.
How interesting, Advertiser, that you presume to speak for “all”. And how typical of those members of the so called “news” media who have crowned themselves with the title “the fourth estate”.
As to your statement, I believe the OJ trial two decades ago showed that Justice in America is not the blind figure one sees in court house statuary. At least Lady Justice is not color blind. The color of American “Justice” is GREEN.
For those, like OJ, who can afford a dream team capable of seating a nullification jury, there is no such thing as crime. Ergo and to the extent that defendants of color may indeed get a raw deal when it comes to sentencing one need look no further than their ability – – rather their inability – – to pay for sufficiently gifted legal representation.
Thos, so,while you cherry pick situational outliers, I provide data that overviews stretches over several decades, and tens of thousands of cases–do you recognize the profound difference??There are always exceptional abberations to any set of circumstances, however, that pales in comparison to documented institutional and systemic bias which has been proven out by statistical data, which is evidence based, that covers several generations….
boolakanaka says: I was not there, nor did I see a transcript of all things said to him, and more importantly, I have no knowledge of the context and sequential history in which these things were said….sir, that is known in the court off law as hearsay.
Now who’s shucking and jiving, eh?
I did not ask if you were there or saw a transcript or if you have “knowledge of the context and sequential history”.
What I did ask was if you read the book. You said you did. I did ask if you know of anything that D’Souza reported he was told by his fellow inmates that you know for a fact not to be true. Now if you want to continue to try to change the subject and avoid answering this rather straightforward question, believe me I will understand.
boolakanaka says: … situational outliers… data that overviews stretches … tens of thousands of cases… exceptional … documented institutional and systemic bias … proven out by statistical data, … evidence based, that covers …. &c. &c. &c.
As Joe Louis told Max Schmeling, “you can run but you can’t hide”.
Being a “professor” capable of throwing up a thicket of impressive sounding humma humma does not mean you get to hide behind that thicket.
But don’t let that stop you. Watching you twist and turn this way and that to avoid the plain truth is vastly amusing.
And the plain truth is that the travesty of Justice known as the trial of Orenthal James Simpson was a watershed event that was immensely edifying to the general public who had no idea how important MONEY is in determining the guilt or innocence of a defendant in criminal trial.
“Outlier” my [redacted]!!
BAH HUMBUG.
Thos, ok, I’m interested. Do you really think that the OJ case is indicative of the entire criminal justice system? Don’t you think that to be an outlier?
advertiser1 asks: Thos, ok, I’m interested. Do you really think that the OJ case is indicative of the entire criminal justice system?
You bet your sweet a s s I do.
And I would be willing to bet it is not just white folks who thought OJ skated. Further I’d be willing to bet that the rousing cheer that erupted from our fellow Americans of African Ancestry when the verdict was read was a celebration of the fact that Johnnie Cochran had been able to remove OJ as a defendant and replace him with the entire LAPD which the carefully chosen nullification jury judged to be GUILTY. Truth be told if OJ had taken the stand and admitted his guilt, that jury would have nonetheless acquitted him.
If you want to continue kidding yourself this watershed event is an outlier, just remember that denial is not a river in Egypt.
What do I think? I think African American males commit a disproportionate share of the crime and they are disproportionately represented by public defenders because they lack the long green and thus get guilty verdicts and longer sentences than those who can afford competent legal defense. And if that is what you mean by “white privilege”, you’ll get no argument from yours truly.
Thos, how can you say OJ was an outlier, and also that it is exemplary of the US justice system; those two positions contradict one another.
And you say that the OJ trial shows that the justice system is not blind, and that is exactly what boolakana said, and you disagreed with.
Exactly, Advertiser, well said.
Racism is alive and well in America and so is denial.
It’s time for a lot more candor and a lot less denial in assessing the role that race plays in our criminal justice system. We think we’ve made a lot of progress in race relations in America, but the criminal justice system demonstrates some alarming trends. At the present time, one out of three African American males under the age of 25 is either in jail or on probation or parole. That exceeds the number of young African American males in college.
Study after study verifies that color makes a difference at virtually every stage of criminal proceedings. Whites do better at getting charges dropped or reduced. They draw more lenient sentences for the same crimes and go to prison less often. When you’re on the short end of these disparities, it’s hard not to come to the conclusion that our system of justice is far from color blind. That is not an opinion, that is a clear fact…..SCLR
There are numerous factors, in addition to racism, that undermine justice in America. Thos is correct that wealth and poverty are significant factors, as are education social class. Data shows that even mental illness is a source of discrimination in court proceedings, especially for women. All of these factors are interrelated, and race is just one of them.
You are correct that there are numerous factors, however the single biggest commonality is race…..and stats and a host of applied research support that point.
And if the kid was gay or Muslim, thosser, you’d be the first torchbearer in the pitchfork line.
If the one you describe as “the kid” was homosexual it is unlikely he would have raped a female.
If he was a devout Muslim it is unlikely he would have wound up dead drunk, unable to remember what he did.
But thanks for weighing in, Tigser. Your attempts to scorn me are – – in the words of Danny Quayle – – a badge of honor I proudly wear and your bias is as predictable as sunrise, so one never need fear of being put on the defensive by a fact based comment since you and facts reside in a parallel universe.
Patently false. The 9-11 bombers were on both documented drinking prior to their flights…
LOL. It surprises me not that you would quote Dan Quayle. And, seeing what you would wear as a badge of honor, it also wouldn’t surprise me if you similarly adorned yourself with soiled diapers. And, bragged about it.
Were you also one of those kids limped home everyday bragging to your parents about how you bloodied some kid’s fist with your nose?
He might avoid all that if this ex swimmer can back stroke really fast while in prison.
Now is there a double entendre in hidden in there?
Swimmers can hold their breath indefinitely.
They give judges too much leeway in the sentencing of convicted criminals. Judges should be required to give minimum prescribed sentences for each type of offense.
The hard truth is that the mother is correct: this is a death sentence.
Call it what u want, but he deserves whatever comes his way and more.
So then, Yobo, what you want is vengeance not justice.
Glad to see someone who is not part of the lynch mob.
You keep commenting on the difference between justice and vengeance. Do you think justice was served with a six month (out in three) sentence?
What I think Primo, is that the mother is well justified in her fears that her son will not survive even a few months behind bars, that this is – – because of the hysteria generated by the “news” media – – a death sentence for her son.
And so my question to you: even if he is guilty as charged, does he deserve to be executed in jail?
If he is guilty as charged, he deserves to go to prison. What happens to him while he is behind bars will unfold whether he deserves it or not. His ability (or inability as it were) to survive what happens in prison should not be a mitigating factor. You make it seem like death is a foregone conclusion. It’s not.
Primo, the operative word in your message is “if”.
That was your operative word, I was simply repeating your presumption of innocence to make a point. I do not share your presumption.
i want him to get what he deserves, whatever u want to call it. i will stop short of wishing you, THOS, or anyone in your family, the pain that the victims and their families feel.
primo1 says: What happens to him while he is behind bars will unfold whether he deserves it or not. His ability (or inability as it were) to survive what happens in prison should not be a mitigating factor.
So it is OK with you if he is killed in jail? This is binary: either it is OK with you or it is not. There is no third option.
littleyoboboy says: i want him to get what he deserves,
Does he deserve to die in jail at the hands of a fellow inmate?
Thos if you want to discuss prison reform go right ahead, but the idea of keeping a convicted rapist out of prison because of fear for his safety is absurd. To answer your question: yes, I’m OK if he gets killed while in jail. You seem more concerned with the perp’s well being than the victim’s. Are you sure your priorities are correct?
primo1 says: yes, I’m OK if he gets killed while in jail.
Thanks for a straight answer.
You and I differ in the responsibility the state has for a prisoner it has incarcerated according to a trial it conducted. A prisoner serving a court ordered sentence should reasonably be able to expect not to have his life taken from him while in custody.
Thanks for making that difference between you and me clear.
The difference was clear from your first comment on this article. Yes prisons are dangerous – that’s what happens when you have a bunch of sociopaths and dysfunctional individuals packed into an overcrowded facility. It is what it is and conditions will not change anytime soon, and certainly not for Turner’s sake. You continue to assume he won’t make it out alive, making that the crux of your arguments. County jail is a country club compared to a Federal pen. Aside from holding his hand 24 hours a day I’m not sure what “reasonable” expectations you have that would ensure his safety. Prison is an easy institution to avoid – just don’t steal from, assault, rape or murder anyone. Is that asking too much? Forgive me if I don’t lose any sleep as he spends the next six months looking over his shoulder.
I am not certain that jail would equal a death sentence. They segregate a lot of the rapists, chomo’s, and cops to avoid that. Why wouldn’t they do the same for this low-life?
it’s perfectly fine with me, is that clear enuff for thos to comprehend?
Your hasty willingness to jump on the wagon of popular opinion and bring along an apparently limitless amount of viciousness is duly noted.
Well said, hawaiikone!
PLEA DEAL,,,Let the mom take his place in prison, then she will really understand the crime which her son has committed. She will be the flavor of the day, everyday, for as long as she lives in there.
Thos, your logic fails me and anyone who can see your spin-doctoring comments. First, it is a given that a prison sentence is meant to punish the offender. Because prison is populated by offenders like Turner it is NOT and never be a SAFE environment. That is why it is a DETERENT for those who are even contemplating raping anyone. It is not like Turner is the first inmate to be labeled a rapt who took advantage of an unconscious victim. Further, there have been, I suppose, how about tens of thousands of rapists much less physically fit or athletic than Turner who have survived. Also, rapists like Turner are placed in protective custody if you don’t know by now. Even at that these offenders are placed in a high security environment throughout their stay in prison unless the offender foolishly requests to be placed in a regular prison environment. Finally, your source for the support of your stand is an inmate? Boolakanaka’s source is the Department of Justice. Seems to me you are at a losing ground trying to lie your way out of a big hole you dug yourself into. Frankly, Turner’s mothers statement that it will basically scar her son for life tells you something (or doesn’t in your case). It does not take into consideration the victim who will be scarred for life. Since when is the perpetrator more important than the innocent victim? Thos, it is apparent to all that your diatribes are not based on facts but twisted inculcations of your own twisted logic.
Well stated. Funny how some folks want to reject a literal mountain of documented data, but because it suits their beliefs and leanings, prefer the anecdotal musings of a few convicts…….the British have a word for such a creature–pillock.
KaneoheSJ says: .. prison is a DETERENT [sic] for those who are even contemplating raping anyone …. how about tens of thousands of rapists much less physically fit or athletic than Turner who have survived … your source for the support of your stand is an inmate?
>> How much evidence of “contemplation” was present in either the victim or the alleged perp when both were so sodden with alcohol that neither can remember what happened?
>> How many other alleged rapists have been the focus of so much adverse publicity, of being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion? In this context do you remember the ALL WHITE Duke lacrosse team whose members were charged (falsely as it turned out) with rape by an overzealous DA name of Nifong? Did you like so many others immediately ASSUME they were guilty because they enjoyed “white privilege”. Had Justice not prevailed, had they been falsely convicted and sent to prison, do you really believe that ANY of them would have survived?
Do you recall what happened to Nifong?
>> Before conveniently dismissing the narrative account of Dinesh D’Souza describing his time in lock up, perhaps you ought to take the trouble to READ his account. Or are you afraid to do so for fear it might shatter some of your cherished myths?
I’m not staring an opinion, I am presenting a fact, that is based on tens of thousands of cases. Your example is a presented opinion, and hardly even approaches the definition of emperical.
Again, see:http://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/research-projects-and-surveys/miscellaneous/15-year-study/chap4.pdf
Or http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/08/racial_disparities_in_the_criminal_justice_system_eight_charts_illustrating.html
Or, https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/news/2170-new-study-by-professor-david-s-abrams-confirms#.V2CO9ZBOKrU
Or, https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/208129.pdf
Or, http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fsd0512.pdf
Should I keep on going, as it could be another several dozen cites….?
SA, these are merely citations for a requested reference source….
boolakanaka says: I’m not staring an opinion,
So Perfesser let’s get this straight: you are not STARING an opinion?
My goodness has Yale really fallen THIS far?
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Simp, I am writing this on an iPhone while on an Amtrak train, thus e kala mai for spelling errors and the such….
Are you saying that she consented? And what are you proposing as a fitting punishment in this case?
Quick, contact James Randi. This is a great chance for you to prove your psychic powers and win a cool million. Of course the mother would call it a death sentence, she’s his mother. What’s your excuse?
Failing that, please cite the source of your razor-like insights.
Oh come on! 3 months in “county jail” is not a “death sentence”. They don’t have hard core murderers in a “county jail” and if he has a cell mate, it will likely be a traffic offender.
The only way it will be a “death sentence” is if this a*hole commits suicide.
Just thos playing the drama queen.
There is a lot we do not know about this case. Turner was found guilty of: Assault with the intent to commit rape of an unconscious person; sexual penetration of an unconscious person; and sexual penetration of an intoxicated person. But does anyone really know what happened? Both Turner and his alleged victim were drunk out of their minds. She was passed out and his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit. Did she consent to sex before passing out? No one knows. Given the fact that his blood alcohol level was twice the legal limit, it is difficult to believe that he was capable of having an erection and engaging in sex. Did this stinking a$$ drunk have the intent to commit rape? No one knows. The two grad students who came upon the scene testified that Turner was thrusting his body into the woman. An assault of some kind may have occurred, but was it attempted rape? No one really knows. Turner jumped up and ran off when the grad students approached. If he was attempting to rape the woman, his trousers would have been down around his knees or ankles or his penis would have been protruding from the fly in his trousers. It seems unlikely that he was able to run off with his trousers down around his knees or ankles but he could have run off with his penis dangling from his fly. So, how was he dressed and where was his penis when he was stopped and held until the police arrived? It goes to intent. The victim was taken to a hospital where she regained consciousness from her drunken stupor. She had no recollection of what happened. A doctor told her she may have been sexually assaulted, but further examination found no evidence of rape. Yet, she concocted a story in a letter to the judge about the terrible effect the incident, about which she had no recollection, has had on her life. Had the doctor said nothing about a possible sexual assault, the woman most likely would have gone home with a big hangover and we would never had heard or read about her again. Turner may still have been convicted of assault but the woman would not have been made the international celebrity she has become.
It is all the girls fault ok now we know that you have zero empathy with this poor young lady and you side with the rapists family!
Semper Fidelis, God Bless the United States Marine Corps and thank you for your service.
With respect may I suggest that what Ronin is doing is not siding with the accused and castigating the victim, but instead is introducing an element of doubt given that so much is not known by either the alleged perpetrator or the victim because both of them had been incapacitated by alcohol and had no memory of the actual event. In jury trials, if memory serves, words like “beyond reasonable doubt” are employed to justify a guilty verdict. Since we are now participating in a trial by public opinion in this forum, maybe we too should give some consideration to how much doubt there is as to what actually happened. Let me hasten to add that the accused may indeed be guilty, but are the facts as reported sufficient to conclude beyond any reasonable doubt that he is in fact guilty? If nothing else might I respectfully suggest, this is worth a moment or two of our time in the interest of being Just?
He was tried and found guilty so wouldn’t it be safe to say that conclusion was made beyond any reasonable doubt?
Caught violently sexually assaulting a young woman by two eye winesses, and then found guilty and as well, had to admit, under oath, he committed the crime. Other facts, which you are defending: he took pictures of the girl, during the rape; he lied and contradicted himself numerous times and had a prior record.
Hmmm, gives me wonder how you treat your significant other or daughters….and what you consider appropriate. See:http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/10/us/stanford-rape-case-court-documents/
Thos, Turner was found guilty by a jury of his peers. Further, a juror was shocked at the lenient sentence given what he or she heard from both sides.
I believe the jury has already answered that question.
primo1 says: He was tried and found guilty so wouldn’t it be safe to say that conclusion was made beyond any reasonable doubt?
That is EXACTLY the right question to ask about the trial that came to this conclusion. Looking at the points made by Ronin, do YOU think there might be a basis for reasonable doubt, especially since neither the victim nor the alleged perp has any memory of what actually happened since both were incapacitated by too much alcohol?
You do understand that the jury was privy to more information about the case than what was reported in the media? And they still found him guilty. Do you and Ronin have access to the same information and testimony that the jury did? Is that why you’re trying to mount a defense for the perp?
Let me ask again: do YOU think there is reasonable doubt?
No I do not. Let me ask you again: do you have access to the same information and testimony as the jury who found him guilty?
No reasonable doubt, nil, nary, none at all. And that is the same conclusion that the jury reached.
Has there been any indication thus far that the family of the accused will appeal this verdict?
Were it to be sent to appellate court for review, one wonders what the decision might be.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but I believe Ronin has raised some valid concerns in re the topic of reasonable doubt.
Others may – – and no doubt will – – disagree, so hooray for the first amendment. And while we’re at it, hooray for the fifth amendment guarantee of due process.
O.J Simpson also was tried and found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. So was Robert Blake. Jurors sometimes get it wrong.
Add Casey Anthony to the list of those found not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the common denominator in all three cases you cited is no eyewitness to the actual crime. In Turner’s case there were two.
Yes, Primo1, there were two so-called eyewitnesses to the assault. One witness told investigators that “he saw a female subject lying on the ground behind the dumpster… He also noticed a male subject standing over her with a cell phone. He was holding the cell phone. The cell phone had a bright light pointed in the direction of the female, using either a flashlight app in his phone or its built-in flash.” One witness testified in court that “We found him on top of the girl!” So, what was it? Was he on top of the woman or was he standing over her with a cell phone? The statements do not match.
Ronin you do understand that the two events are not mutually exclusive? You seem to think if Turner did one, he couldn’t possibly have done the other. “After the assault, detectives saw a text message on Turner’s cell phone referring to breasts, according to the sentencing memo. The message said, “WHOS T– IS THAT”. It was sent in the early morning hours the day of the assault. Before that text, a photo was sent to a group via a third party app called GroupMe.” Prosecutors included a screen grab of the exchange in the sentencing memo. – CNN
There were two graduate students who witnessed this attack and captured this criminal. Chances are real good that testimony from Stanford graduate students will stand up in any court.
Primo1, please put on your thinking cap for a couple of minutes. The two witnesses were together. One testified that “We (meaning both of them) found her on top of the girl.” The other testified that when they came upon the scene, the guy standing over her with a cell phone in his hand. So, was he first on top of her and then got up to stand over her while holding his cell phone or was he standing over her with his cell phone and then got on top of her. The stories are very inconsistent and raise legitimate questions about what really happened. Yes, prino1, a text message on Turner’s cell phone sent earlier in the morning on the day of the assault said “WHOS T- IS THAT?” The police arrived shortly after 1:00 AM, so when was the photo taken and more importantly, whose boobs were they? You are assuming they were the victims. When the witnesses came upon the scene, the woman’s dress was pulled up to her waist; not to her neck to expose her breast but to her waist. You failed to mention that “Investigators obtained a search warrant for Turner’s phone but were unable to retrieve the alleged photo because GroupMe “images are not stored on the phone and can be deleted by a third member in the group.” So again I ask, whose boobs were they? For Turner to have taken a photo of her breast, she would have been found with her boobs exposed unless, of course, she dressed herself or Turner dressed her after the photo was taken. This case was not cut and dried as you seem to think.
I’ll ask you the same question I asked your buddy thos: do you have access to the same information and testimony that the jury had? Is there something you know that the jury doesn’t that somehow would’ve resulted in a different judgement? You seem more concerned about the perp’s welfare than the victim’s. You keep bringing up the fact that both were drunk at the time of the incident – does that somehow make sexual assault OK in your world? Even if she did concede before the act, he should’ve stopped the moment she passed out. Does that not constitute sexual assault to you? Does it really matter if Turner had an erection when he was assaulting her? I fail to understand some of the points you continue to make.
Primo1, it may surprise you to know that during my long lifetime I have served on several juries including one for murder, one for rape, one for indecent assault on a child, one for robbery and one for aggravated assault. It may also surprise you to learn that not all jurors read or understand the evidence the same way. This is clearly evident during deliberations which often times involve heated exchanges between jurors trying to reach an agreement. Jurors often times are persuaded to change their position on guilt or innocence based on pressure from other jurors rather than on the evidence. It happens more often than you can imagine. It also is true that not all jurors really understand the meaning of reasonable doubt despite instructions from judges before deliberations, which sometimes result in verdicts not supported by the evidence. That is one reason why many guilty verdicts are overturned on appeal. So the fact that Turner was found guilty “beyond a reasonable doubt” does not necessarily mean that was so.
Your jury “resume” is irrelevant to the discussion. I’ve served on juries too (one for attempted murder), as I’m sure many others commenting here. You really think this conviction will be overturned on appeal? Do Turner’s lawyers even go there, or simply tell him to take his medicine and count his blessings he didn’t receive any real jail time.
Primo1, my jury resume is relevant because it shows my comments about reasonable doubt are based on personal experience whereas for most people it is based on what they read or are told. No, I do not believe Turner will appeal because it would result in a retrial with possible worse results.
RetiredUSMC, where in my comment did I say it was all the woman’s fault or how I sided with the perps’ family? My comments were intended to show or suggest that there is much more about this case that we do not know and that it is not as one-sided in the woman’s favor as everyone seems to be leaning.
Ronin thanks for standing tall in facing the mob!
I hope your wife and daughters, if u have any, can sleep better knowing how u feel.
I know your sons will.
Finally someone who really goes beyond the obvious story. Someone who will stand up to the lynch mob mentality. . The woman was not victimized by the assault. She admitted she doesn’t remember a thing about that. She was passed out drunk due to her own reckless behavior. She was traumatized by the aftermath – the way she was treated at the hospital. The consequences of going to trial. She is not to blame yet neither is she blameless. If her excuse for her terrible behavior was that she was drunk why couldn’t the guy use the same excuse. They were both drunk. They both made stupid decisions. I’m not sure how this one episode will ruin her life forever since she was unconscious through it all. It seems like she is trying to assuage her guilt at the expense of the drunken guy. The questions no one is talking about… Why did she go to a hook up party at a college fraternity if she had a live in boyfriend? How did she get outside? Did she walk out with the guy to get some privacy? Why did her sister not take care of her? Isn’t a person responsible for their own behavior?
A lot of us women have been sexually assaulted during our younger days and in a lot more blameless situations than her and although it does traumatize us for a while it does not ruin us for life.
I feel like this case has taken on a life of its own and allowed everyone to blame this poor kid for all the racial and sexual injustices of the world. He was as drunk as her yet she is given a pass and he is held responsible for his actions. Being put on the sex offender list for life will turn out to be a far worse punishment than any extra time in jail he may be given.
I think people really need to think about the issue and not just say their knee jerk responses or the politically correct party line.
So are you saying if both parties are drunk then rape cannot occur? That an inebriated woman has less rights than a sober one? If you really are a woman (and not posing as one online) your comment truly surprises me.
“allowed everyone to blame this POOR KID for all the racial and sexual injustices of the world.”
ARE YOU FOR REAL ????????????
BRAVA!
BRAVA!
Well said!
You are one courageous person to stand against the mob.
So you are transcendental soothsayer, you know how she feels, and constitutes personal trauma for her–wow, maybe you should join the circus?
Just a little reading between the lines and imagining how I’d feel if I was in her position. She made a stupid mistake to let herself get so drunk. Always easier to put the blame on someone else.
I’m saying why can she use drunkeness as an excuse and he can’t.
Women are fighting right now for the right to have equal combat positions in the military. That’s gender equality. But everyone is going back to the old myth that women are fragile creatures who need protection. They can’t take care of themselves.
Are we equal or aren’t we? If we are then we need to act smarter and not put ourselves in vulnerable positions.
This has nothing to with the ability to take care of herself, that is not being debated, nor was it an issue before the court. Rather, it is about a violent sexual opportunist and predator. To say anything otherwise, is to ignore the truth and what actually occurred–huge difference.
Ronin, As you noted, Turner was found guilty. So all of the defenses or arguments you bring up are mute, a jury heard them and convicted him.
Sloppy sloppy work, Advertiser.
The word is MOOT not MUTE.
Do you really expect to be taken seriously?
For your information, Thos, a juror was shocked by the sentence Turner received. And this juror heard both sides of the argument. So, Thos, I suppose you were?
Thos, you are absolutely correct. However, the point remains does it not (knot :))?
Finally someone who really goes beyond the obvious story. Someone who will stand up to the lynch mob mentality. . The woman was not victimized by the assault. She admitted she doesn’t remember a thing about that. She was passed out drunk due to her own reckless behavior. She was traumatized by the aftermath – the way she was treated at the hospital. The consequences of going to trial. She is not to blame yet neither is she blameless. If her excuse for her terrible behavior was that she was drunk why couldn’t the guy use the same excuse. They were both drunk. They both made stupid decisions. I’m not sure how this one episode will ruin her life forever since she was unconscious through it all. It seems like she is trying to assuage her guilt at the expense of the drunken guy. The questions no one is talking about… Why did she go to a hook up party at a college fraternity if she had a live in boyfriend? How did she get outside? Did she walk out with the guy to get some privacy? Why did her sister not take care of her? Isn’t a person responsible for their own behavior?
A lot of us women have been sexually assaulted during our younger days and in a lot more blameless situations than her and although it does traumatize us for a while it does not ruin us for life.
I feel like this case has taken on a life of its own and allowed everyone to blame this poor kid for all the racial and sexual injustices of the world. He was as drunk as her yet she is given a pass and he is held responsible for his actions. Being put on the sex offender list for life will turn out to be a far worse punishment than any extra time in jail he may be given.
I think people really need to think about the issue and not just say their knee jerk responses or the politically correct party line.
Because being drunk does not excuse criminal behavior. And putting yourself in a bad position is not criminal, sexually assaulting someone is. That’s like the “she dressed provocatively” defense.
Mind sharing what you think is the politically correct party line?
She’s become an “international celebrity” because she was raped. Good one Ronin.
Not only is he a convicted rapist, but also a perv and a liar. His family would be singing a different tune if this happened to his mother or sister.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Brock-Turner-May-Have-Photographed-Victim-Sent-Pictures-to-Friends-Court-Docs-382532991.html
Where did you read he was convicted of rape?
Rape is not a legal term. It is called sexual assault. He was convicted of sexual assault, thus rape. Were you aware of this?
Jimmyhouse67, sexual assault comes in many forms of which rape is one. Did you know it is now considered sexual assault if a team coach pats one of his or her players on the butt as encouragement in a game? There was a case two or three years ago where a football quarterback was accused of sexual assault for allegedly touching the center’s genitals when taking the snap. This shows how stupid this sexual assault thing has become. It won’t be long before how someone looks at another person will be considered sexual assault.
Ronin used this lame example before and I directed him to the California Penal Code which defines five degrees of sexual assault. Nowhere was “coach patting player on the butt” found as an example of sexual assault.
Primo1, California Penal Code, CHAPTER 9. Assault and Battery, Section 234.4, Subsection (e) (1) Any person who touches an intimate part of another person, if the touching is against the will of the person touched, and is for the specific purpose of sexual arousal, sexual gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of misdemeanor sexual battery, punishable by a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars. Subsection (g)(1) “Intimate part” means the sexual organ, anus, groin, or buttocks of any person, and the breast of a female.
Need I say more?
If rape is not a legal term, why was Turner found guilty of assault with the intent to commit rape?
“If the touching is against the will of the person touched, and is for the specific purpose of sexual arousal, sexual gratification, or sexual abuse, is guilty of misdemeanor sexual battery,” Why do continue to use your coach analogy when it clearly doesn’t meet this criteria? You’re correct however in that you don’t need to say anymore. But I’m sure you will.
How about the case of the quarter back who was accused of sexual assault for allegedly touching the center’s genitalia when taken the snap? May I use that to show how ridiculous this sexual assault issue has become?
Too funny. You don’t need to seek my approval for anything you post here. Just be prepared to be called out on it if you’re wrong. I would be careful though using the words “stupid” and “ridiculous” when discussing sexual assault.
If he was a football player, he’d go in to prison a tight-end and get out a wide-receiver.
Yup. I have a daughter, this guy is a predator. Now he will be preyed upon, at least for six months.
Hopefully everyday of each of the 6 months. Leave a rope in his room too. A rope that will snap everytime he tries to hang himself.
Be honest now, Yobsie.
Back ten years ago when you read the “news” media reports of all the WHITE Duke lacrosse team members accused of rape, didn’t you automatically ASSUME they were all guilty BECAUSE of their “white privilege” as did the relentless District Attorney, Nifong, who instead of prosecuting the case according to rules of evidence persecuted the players with a trial of public opinion by attempting to play to the media as judge, jury and executioner?
Do you remember what finally became of Nifong?
let me rephrase mt comment,
Hopefully everyday of each of the 6 months. Leave a rope in his room too. A rope that will snap everytime he tries to hang himself. And sentence thos be his cellmate.
“yobsie”,, WTF ?
Yobsie you can rephrase to your heart’s content but you gingerly avoided the question posed to you about the all WHITE Duke lacrosse team.
Why is that, eh?
Good one, EwaWarrior. I think the readers have completely missed your humor.
WHO CARES ABOUT THIS PUNK….. I DON’T
His parents are such jerks. The comments his father made was disgusting and his mother is worried
about him being damaged but what about the young lady that her son assaulted. Brock’s day will come. The judge needs to be replaced.
Did you see the wattle on the rapist’s mother’s neck? I thought only turkeys had wattles that size! Oh, I guess a family of turkeys?
Lol.
Is this all it takes to amuse a self proclaimed Yale professor?
My my my.
How shallow.
Oh well.
No surprise there.
I revel in the simple things, which begs the question, what amuses a misogynistic defender of a violent sexual opportunist? Never mind, I can only imagine how you treat women in your life; I’m sure your not being asked to babysit or being considered for date-of-the-month club.
So approving of someone distastefully mocking another’s physical appearance is perfectly acceptable because it’s a “simple thing”?
Clint Eastwood would say ” Hang Em High “
Clint was the guy who was hanged in that movie. Just sayin’
he should have thought of that .before…and Mom what about the victim ?
His parents are pathetic. No remorse for the victim, We should show no remorse for him. He made is choice of ’20 minutes of action’. As his father said. Throw the parents in prison as well.
“Look at him. He won’t survive it.” How many mothers have to say this before we realize what our prisons have become?
AWWW…mama’s boy. Too bad…
Why is my comment being moderated?
If this was her concern let her work for prison reform.
If a few more of these priviledged children had to do hard time maybe the parents would not be so dismissive of the barbaric conditions in our prisons.
but as long as it is only the “others” children who get sent away it is irrelevent because the “others” deserve it for not being born wealthy.
After all what good is priviledge if it can’t keep you and yours from being held responsible for their actions.
How will working for prison reform save her son’s life behind bars?
If she had cared about it the prisons would not be the dangerous places they are now.
but she didn’t care since it was only the “others” who suffered.
So even now when her child is under threat cares only about her family. The law, the jury and the woman are irrelevent as long as her son is protected.
I’m sure Brock Turner’s family has never cared what goes on in prisons. I certainly don’t condone any crime committed in prison, but it is pretty hypocritical that this rich white family suddenly cares. Brock Turner will leave prison with a very personal understanding of rape. That might be the ultimate justice of having to spend any time in county jail.
But what if he leaves prison in a meat wagon headed for the morgue?
good for him, justice served!
Justice or Vengeance?
What makes you think he will be killed? 3 months in “protective custody” in a county jail is not going to get him killed. They don’t even keep any convicted felons in a county jail.
You have anything to back up your assertions that he will be killed?
This family just doesn’t get it because they are so used to paying their way through life. They are so shocked that for once one of them has to live with consequences. Hey Turner family, Brock did this of his own free will. He did it. The young lady did not have a choice. He did it, he lives with the consequences. That is life. Sister says that he can “enact change.” He isn’t even repentant. He has not even owned up to the fact that he did something very bad to someone else. He should be serving way more time in jail. If he becomes the “you-know-what” to others in jail, then maybe he will then know a little of what it is like to be on the receiving end of what he did.
Her statement is actually very telling about how Brock was raised. C’mon, Lady. It’s 3-months in protective custody in a jail…not a prison. “Look at him. He won’t survive it”. Cut the drama-queen antics. If Little Brock had been disciplined when he was growing up, he’d be able to handle it. If he had been disciplined when he was growing up, maybe he wouldn’t have even become a rapist to begin with.
Totally understandable plea by mom & dad, I would do the same !! BUT, he DID commit rape. He DESERVES more jail time, but he’s white, rich and will do less jail time than a minority would. He can “educate” the public AFTER his lenient punishment is pau. If the judge is to be recalled, it shouldn’t be for too lenient of a sentence, but for being a racist and misogynist. Does anyone think he would have given a Latino, African American, or Asian male such a light sentence ?? Therein lies the problem with the judge !! Bet he’s voting for Donald Trump too !!!
Sorry Mama… Your Boy is a RAPIST. He should of thought about the Time he will be serving for cowardly act… Ihope he gets what he did and some. Nobody should ever get raped. Cut off his U know what, then he shall get his sentence lighter.
Time to let him be a man and pay his debt to society.
With his life?
Thank God for someone with a brain of his own and compassion, too.
And thank YOU for taking a brave stand against the rabble.
Funny how the crowd cries for vengeance as loud as they can !! What was it that was once said: He who is without sin shall cast the 1st stone !! I wonder if any of you that cry for vengeance even know who the Pharisees were. Two young adults made horrible mistakes and now the proverbial unintended consequences are plain to see. The really sad part of this is that NOBODY will remember this tragedy 30 days from now……….
Finally we hear from the bible thumpers. I’ll check back with you in 30 days.
if he pays with his life, then so be it ! good luck in there buddy !
Yobsie it would seem to be a lot safer to be your adversary than to be your “buddy” eh wot?
Good mother trying to protect her son, but misguided. He’s a big boy now. He lies in the mess he made.
If she was a “good mother” we wouldn’t be having this discussion now would we?
Exactly.
Maybe he could share a cell with Hee.
Best idea yet !! Does Boolakalaka or thos have a job ??
I’m with you on that one..
He has my sympathy. Out of a few minutes of misguided thrills resulted for him a lifetime of traumatic and anguish miseries. Fools do rushed in where angels fear to tread.
Please, you sound like the father: “That is a steep price to pay for 20 minutes of action out of his 20 plus years of his life.” No sympathy for the victim?
Stop enabling him. Brock needs to take it like a man and stop having other people speak for him. Time to “MAN” up!!!
Mahalo to those handful of people who are able to comprehend this story with several dimensions views of decency. ie: sympathy, compassion, intelligent and other elements of justice for both the accused and the victim. To thos, Kalaheo1, Larry01, hawaiikone and others within the sphere of these fair- minded people – Thank you !